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Post by tenka on Jan 6, 2024 15:44:00 GMT -5
Perhaps I am not clear on what you think is fcucked up about ND. I have no idea what ND handbook you're referring to, but it sounds like you think of it as a list of rules or what can be said that is true (as opposed to what is not true), so just leave that aside. That is, pointers are not the Truth being pointed to, nor are they pointing to what one can or cannot do (or believe) after realizing Truth. I think this is where your rub is. Tenka doesn't even know conceptually, set aside, gnosisly, the illusory nature of (the small s) self. It boils down to that. So what is the absolute Truth here relating to what the self is? You see this is why the so called general consensus based upon a small non duality forum falls flat on it's face. Peeps don't even know what S.R. is as an absolute. This is the point I make at times. As soon as you boil down to the nitty gritty, what is said from a N.D perspective can be at times, what is said is not the Truth, so lets burn it all, to there is no-one here that can know the bloody Truth anyways lol .. and what is Known, isn't a conceptual belief.  I can go on and on here. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 15:55:30 GMT -5
Perhaps I am not clear on what you think is fcucked up about ND. I have no idea what ND handbook you're referring to, but it sounds like you think of it as a list of rules or what can be said that is true (as opposed to what is not true), so just leave that aside. That is, pointers are not the Truth being pointed to, nor are they pointing to what one can or cannot do (or believe) after realizing Truth. I think this is where your rub is. Tenka doesn't even know conceptually, set aside, gnosisly, the illusory nature of (the small s) self. It boils down to that. As in how ND treats self, or how you'll never find one outside of thought/memory? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2024 16:14:10 GMT -5
Tenka doesn't even know conceptually, set aside, gnosisly, the illusory nature of (the small s) self. It boils down to that. As in how ND treats self, or how you'll never find one outside of thought/memory? Period., just period. . For myself, you can't know the illusory nature of self, unless and until there is a ~something else~ separate from self. But that's just me (us), it doesn't fit how ND is spoken about. Separate is a naughty word in ND circles. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 6, 2024 16:17:56 GMT -5
What existential belief? Be specific. You're mistaking a statement of absence for something that it is not. I don't have to go treasure hunting here. Anything that is said will be constructed through a belief system that is conditional, based upon what one believes to be true. Okay, let's use your thoughts about burning everything in a Zen style fashion. This which is reflected upon what is said conceptually. Prior to having any understanding of what anything means or refers too, there cannot be something that relates to that which can be made to be in someway not associated. I understand we don't see eye to eye here and that is okay, butt you are in some respects trying to wiggle it around to fit somehow based upon I don't perhaps understand what you are meaning by something or other. I understand perfectly well that there is either beyond a conditioned concept or not. It's when one wants to somehow merge the two and make something acceptable as a pointer even though one wants to burn what is pointed too because it is a conditioned, conceptual belief. Who asked you to go treasure hunting? In this dialog I've explained the distinction between belief and existential belief. I don't disagree that your ideas about conditions and filters apply to ideas that revolve around nonduality pointing, such as the flagpole koan. Butt this picture you paint of a wiggler is a self portrait, 'cause you wrote this: as soon as you put that into words it has to filter through your existential beliefs existential beliefs? Be specific. Or wiggle some more. Either way. I don't mind.  |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 16:23:03 GMT -5
Perhaps I am not clear on what you think is fcucked up about ND. I have no idea what ND handbook you're referring to, but it sounds like you think of it as a list of rules or what can be said that is true (as opposed to what is not true), so just leave that aside. That is, pointers are not the Truth being pointed to, nor are they pointing to what one can or cannot do (or believe) after realizing Truth. I think this is where your rub is. I have read along with peeps for 10 years on forums, the hardcore ND peeps all sing from the same hymn sheet. From the illusory peep, to the dream world scenario. I just read something on another forum from this lady who declared she knows everything about Non duality and knows for certain life is a dream. I mean you just don't get this from ordinary folk. It's like a cult. Peeps read stuff and recite it like it's the truth. You can spot a N.D. peep a mile off. You ask a question against their core beliefs and it goes pear shaped pretty quickly, You're either not even here to begin with and if you are you're an illusory dream character that arises in consciousness. It's not normal mate. Soz, butt it ain't. This type of talk belongs in a niche club, that recites the scriptures when push comes to shove. I mean I like ZD and find him highly respectful butt he doesn't know what the spirit or soul refers too, only consciousness. I used to pull figs up on her posts, for they weren't normal. Its was like a non duality language that you wouldn't dare speak of down the pub with your mates. There is defo a code here that N.D.'s speak of, the general public wouldn't have a clue what's been said. The thing is, half of what is said, isn't known lol, and if it is, it's only a pointer what is True, that can't be conceptualised. I am not having a rant here, I am not anti N.D. peeps, it's just I see through it all . OK. I think it's fair to say you think it's all a farce, and everyone is just repeating nonsense ad nauseum. All Good, mate. It's easy enough to understand why. Following through tends to turn things inside out and back a bit, and it's not always fun. If you are interested and/or prefer to depersonalize the look a bit more, there's a history to the realization (at least as far as what has been written down), and many have said that it is actually the core of many of the great traditions. Some that realized what's pointed to have been revered, deified, crucified, or ex-communicated, depending on the prevailing culture of the time. Others have just gone on and lived quiet, peaceful lives with a sense of simply Knowing. I loves ya, mate. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 16:32:27 GMT -5
As in how ND treats self, or how you'll never find one outside of thought/memory? Period., just period. . For myself, you can't know the illusory nature of self, unless and until there is a ~something else~ separate from self. But that's just me (us), it doesn't fit how ND is spoken about. Separate is a naughty word in ND circles. The word separate just implies two, which, uuuuh, y'know... With respect to '~something else~', that's where I came up with the moniker 'someNOTHING'. I apologize, but it's not really something I can explain. I respect that you think it's a farce, though. I used to also and/or I didn't even appreciate what 'they' were on about. I'll stop there. This will start turning into a mess. |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 6, 2024 16:59:25 GMT -5
Perhaps I am not clear on what you think is fcucked up about ND. I have no idea what ND handbook you're referring to, but it sounds like you think of it as a list of rules or what can be said that is true (as opposed to what is not true), so just leave that aside. That is, pointers are not the Truth being pointed to, nor are they pointing to what one can or cannot do (or believe) after realizing Truth. I think this is where your rub is. I have read along with peeps for 10 years on forums, the hardcore ND peeps all sing from the same hymn sheet. From the illusory peep, to the dream world scenario. I just read something on another forum from this lady who declared she knows everything about Non duality and knows for certain life is a dream. I mean you just don't get this from ordinary folk. It's like a cult. Peeps read stuff and recite it like it's the truth. You can spot a N.D. peep a mile off. You ask a question against their core beliefs and it goes pear shaped pretty quickly, You're either not even here to begin with and if you are you're an illusory dream character that arises in consciousness. It's not normal mate. Soz, butt it ain't. This type of talk belongs in a niche club, that recites the scriptures when push comes to shove. I mean I like ZD and find him highly respectful butt he doesn't know what the spirit or soul refers too, only consciousness. I used to pull figs up on her posts, for they weren't normal. Its was like a non duality language that you wouldn't dare speak of down the pub with your mates. There is defo a code here that N.D.'s speak of, the general public wouldn't have a clue what's been said. The thing is, half of what is said, isn't known lol, and if it is, it's only a pointer what is True, that can't be conceptualised. I am not having a rant here, I am not anti N.D. peeps, it's just I see through it all . Tenka: I think you understand the ND perspective quite well, and I fully agree with your basic claim that "there is only what you are." I also agree with your attitude toward the "it's all a dream" folks. From my POV life is quite concrete and down-to-earth, and if someone said to me, "This everyday life isn't real," I'd be tempted to smack them with a Zen stick. ATST each human is unique, and many people have highly unusual experiences on this path. Although this character has also had many unusual experiences, it's possible that you've had experiences that have never occurred here, and that's why I mentioned the guy who talked about different kinds of bodies--causal, etheric, astral, etc. FWIW, I've never encountered a soul, a spirit guide, astral stuff, other planes of existence, etc, so I have no reference for those types of things. I accept that other people have had experiences beyond those I know about, and I'm always curious about those kinds of things even though I'm totally content with ordinary everyday life however it manifests. From my POV all there is is THIS, and although there's an individual body/mind organism with the screen name ZD, I know from direct experience that what I am is infinite, unified, and beyond birth or death. When I take a breath of air, I know that the air coming into the body is as much the real "Me" as the body most people imagine as ZD because what I am is infinite and includes all that IS. When this body dies, what I am will still be here because it is not confined to a body. Now, with all of that in mind, can you explain or describe what you mean by the words "soul" or "spirit"? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2024 17:06:30 GMT -5
Period., just period. . For myself, you can't know the illusory nature of self, unless and until there is a ~something else~ separate from self. But that's just me (us), it doesn't fit how ND is spoken about. Separate is a naughty word in ND circles. The word separate just implies two, which, uuuuh, y'know... With respect to '~something else~', that's where I came up with the moniker 'someNOTHING'. I apologize, but it's not really something I can explain. I respect that you think it's a farce, though. I used to also and/or I didn't even appreciate what 'they' were on about. I'll stop there. This will start turning into a mess. Yea...I don't think it's a farce, not in any sense. I just don't know how anyone could say, this is IT, that there is " no which of which there is no whicher" (Alan Watts). ...I can understand CC a little better than Realization, that is, ZD's Vast Intelligence. How would you know that This Is It? For sdp the Vast Intelligence is the Absolute, that's the peak of your Plotinus diagram. ....Gotta walk, it's getting dark, the flood has stopped. ....But the peak is also present, right here, right now. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 17:20:35 GMT -5
The word separate just implies two, which, uuuuh, y'know... With respect to '~something else~', that's where I came up with the moniker 'someNOTHING'. I apologize, but it's not really something I can explain. I respect that you think it's a farce, though. I used to also and/or I didn't even appreciate what 'they' were on about. I'll stop there. This will start turning into a mess. Yea...I don't think it's a farce, not in any sense. I just don't know how anyone could say, this is IT, there is " no which of which there is no whicher" (Alan Watts). ...I can understand CC a little better than Realization, that is, ZD's Vast Intelligence. How would you know that This Is It? For sdp the Vast Intelligence is the Absolute, that's the peak of your Plotinus diagram. ....Gotta walk, it's getting dark, the flood has stopped. ....But the peak is also present, right here, right now. Oops, I was writing with Tenka in mind somehow. Too much coding going on in my head, so I forgot to even read the name of the post. Yes, right Here, right Now. So, the veil is all that stands in the way. Weird thingy, to be sure. I started watching the Plotinus vid I posted to Inavalan again. That guy does a great job of explaining the Enneads/Plotinus in a way that explains the depth of difficulty/impossibility in communicating IT. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2024 18:10:18 GMT -5
Yea...I don't think it's a farce, not in any sense. I just don't know how anyone could say, this is IT, there is " no which of which there is no whicher" (Alan Watts). ...I can understand CC a little better than Realization, that is, ZD's Vast Intelligence. How would you know that This Is It? For sdp the Vast Intelligence is the Absolute, that's the peak of your Plotinus diagram. ....Gotta walk, it's getting dark, the flood has stopped. ....But the peak is also present, right here, right now. Oops, I was writing with Tenka in mind somehow. Too much coding going on in my head, so I forgot to even read the name of the post. Yes, right Here, right Now. So, the veil is all that stands in the way. Weird thingy, to be sure. I started watching the Plotinus vid I posted to Inavalan again. That guy does a great job of explaining the Enneads/Plotinus in a way that explains the depth of difficulty/impossibility in communicating IT. About ten minutes later I was going to edit. But I didn't have my glasses walking, and chrome stopped anyway, said it was being updated. No problem. I was just going to add, as far as I know, I haven't directly spoken against anyone's view. It was pointed out to us once upon a time, not to despise or criticize anyone's faith. That, no matter how small, for them, is God. That is for them like a mustard seed. So as far as I know I have never made fun of anyone's view. But I have said many times, there is more. Saying that didn't mean in any way to make a farce of anyone's view. More doesn't negate up-to-the-more. After reading your correction, decided to post that anyway. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 18:27:51 GMT -5
I have read along with peeps for 10 years on forums, the hardcore ND peeps all sing from the same hymn sheet. From the illusory peep, to the dream world scenario. I just read something on another forum from this lady who declared she knows everything about Non duality and knows for certain life is a dream. I mean you just don't get this from ordinary folk. It's like a cult. Peeps read stuff and recite it like it's the truth. You can spot a N.D. peep a mile off. You ask a question against their core beliefs and it goes pear shaped pretty quickly, You're either not even here to begin with and if you are you're an illusory dream character that arises in consciousness. It's not normal mate. Soz, butt it ain't. This type of talk belongs in a niche club, that recites the scriptures when push comes to shove. I mean I like ZD and find him highly respectful butt he doesn't know what the spirit or soul refers too, only consciousness. I used to pull figs up on her posts, for they weren't normal. Its was like a non duality language that you wouldn't dare speak of down the pub with your mates. There is defo a code here that N.D.'s speak of, the general public wouldn't have a clue what's been said. The thing is, half of what is said, isn't known lol, and if it is, it's only a pointer what is True, that can't be conceptualised. I am not having a rant here, I am not anti N.D. peeps, it's just I see through it all . Tenka: I think you understand the ND perspective quite well, and I fully agree with your basic claim that "there is only what you are." I also agree with your attitude toward the " it's all a dream" folks. From my POV life is quite concrete and down-to-earth, and if someone said to me, " This everyday life isn't real," I'd be tempted to smack them with a Zen stick. ATST each human is unique, and many people have highly unusual experiences on this path. Although this character has also had many unusual experiences, it's possible that you've had experiences that have never occurred here, and that's why I mentioned the guy who talked about different kinds of bodies--causal, etheric, astral, etc. FWIW, I've never encountered a soul, a spirit guide, astral stuff, other planes of existence, etc, so I have no reference for those types of things. I accept that other people have had experiences beyond those I know about, and I'm always curious about those kinds of things even though I'm totally content with ordinary everyday life however it manifests. From my POV all there is is THIS, and although there's an individual body/mind organism with the screen name ZD, I know from direct experience that what I am is infinite, unified, and beyond birth or death. When I take a breath of air, I know that the air coming into the body is as much the real "Me" as the body most people imagine as ZD because what I am is infinite and includes all that IS. When this body dies, what I am will still be here because it is not confined to a body. Now, with all of that in mind, can you explain or describe what you mean by the words "soul" or "spirit"? Scientifically-minded literalist folks are all the same, and can't appreciate the poetic expression of the 'godbuddha dreaming' simile/metaphor! Yes, it's much easier, as a Zen master, to have authority, run a monastery maintaining a code of silence, tell people to go to the mat and don't come back until you're dead (metaphorically, in case you didn't get that! ), and smack them with a Zen stick when they can't prove it.  Living in Kyoto amongst all the beautiful, silent temples which I frequented, I get it. Indeed, there was something dreamy about them and the expression found in their poetry. I also understand why some people don't like, get or appreciate metaphors. Just mind stuff.  ******************************************************* "The place where the dream is expressed within a dream is the land and the assembly of buddha ancestors." "This is the dream expressed within a dream, prior to all dreams." "Every dewdrop manifested in every realm is a dream. This dream is the glowing clarity of the hundred grasses." "The expressing of the dream within a dream is all buddhas." "There are inner dreams, dream expressions, expressions of dreams, and dreams inside. Without being within a dream, there is no expression of dreams. Without expressing dreams, there is no being within a dream. .... Furthermore, going beyond the dharma body is itself expressing the dream within a dream." "The expression of the dream within a dream can be aroused by both ordinary people and sages. Moreover, the expression of the dream within a dream by both ordinary people and sages arose yesterday and develops today. Know that yesterday’s expression of the dream within a dream was the recognition of this expression as expressing the dream within a dream. The present expression of the dream within a dream is to experience right now this expression as expressing the dream within a dream. Indeed, this is the marvelous joy of meeting a buddha." ~ DogenExcerpts from Dogen Zenji’s Shobogenzo Muchu Setsumu (Within a Dream Expressing the Dream / 夢中説夢) ******************************************************* In this world of dreams, dozing off still more; and again speaking and dreaming of dreams. Just let it be. ~Ryokan ******************************************************* A star at dawn A bubble in a stream A flash of lightening in a summer’s cloud A flickering lamp A phantom and a dream So is this fleeting world ~from The Diamond Sutra******************************************************* Waking from a crazy dream, a dream that feels rich with meaning, one might be inclined to analyze. Thus books are sold, experts paid. Years later, the old dream returns, but now, penniless, one just washes his face, sips her tea, stretches and gets on with the day. ~ Kuei-shan (771–853) : Co-founder of the first of the Five Houses of Ch’an. According to one story, he was handpicked by master Pai-chang to start a monastery on Mt. Kuei, while according to another, he lived there for eight years with only wild monkeys for company before people got wind of his whereabouts and built a monastery for him. At the age of 83, after washing his face and rinsing his mouth, he took a seat and—so it is said—passed away with a smile. ****************************************************** |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2024 18:45:18 GMT -5
Oops, I was writing with Tenka in mind somehow. Too much coding going on in my head, so I forgot to even read the name of the post. Yes, right Here, right Now. So, the veil is all that stands in the way. Weird thingy, to be sure. I started watching the Plotinus vid I posted to Inavalan again. That guy does a great job of explaining the Enneads/Plotinus in a way that explains the depth of difficulty/impossibility in communicating IT. About ten minutes later I was going to edit. But I didn't have my glasses walking, and chrome stopped anyway, said it was being updated. No problem. I was just going to add, as far as I know, I haven't directly spoken against anyone's view. It was pointed out to us once upon a time, not to despise or criticize anyone's faith. That, no matter how small, for them, is God. That is for them like a mustard seed. So as far as I know I have never made fun of anyone's view. But I have said many times, there is more. Saying that didn't mean in any way to make a farce of anyone's view. More doesn't negate up-to-the-more. After reading your correction, decided to post that anyway. All good, brotha Pilgrim! No, I don't think you look on this as a farce. You've always exhibited integrity and interest via your words. Yes, more refers to dreams within dreams within dreams, fractally speaking. Finding Truth is the turning point of appreciation for the very miracle of the Infinite dreams within dreams. Like above, so below... chopping wood, carrying water... reading posts, writing posts. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 6, 2024 18:48:50 GMT -5
I have read along with peeps for 10 years on forums, the hardcore ND peeps all sing from the same hymn sheet. From the illusory peep, to the dream world scenario. I just read something on another forum from this lady who declared she knows everything about Non duality and knows for certain life is a dream. I mean you just don't get this from ordinary folk. It's like a cult. Peeps read stuff and recite it like it's the truth. You can spot a N.D. peep a mile off. You ask a question against their core beliefs and it goes pear shaped pretty quickly, You're either not even here to begin with and if you are you're an illusory dream character that arises in consciousness. It's not normal mate. Soz, butt it ain't. This type of talk belongs in a niche club, that recites the scriptures when push comes to shove. I mean I like ZD and find him highly respectful butt he doesn't know what the spirit or soul refers too, only consciousness. I used to pull figs up on her posts, for they weren't normal. Its was like a non duality language that you wouldn't dare speak of down the pub with your mates. There is defo a code here that N.D.'s speak of, the general public wouldn't have a clue what's been said. The thing is, half of what is said, isn't known lol, and if it is, it's only a pointer what is True, that can't be conceptualised. I am not having a rant here, I am not anti N.D. peeps, it's just I see through it all . OK. I think it's fair to say you think it's all a farce, and everyone is just repeating nonsense ad nauseum. All Good, mate. It's easy enough to understand why. Following through tends to turn things inside out and back a bit, and it's not always fun. If you are interested and/or prefer to depersonalize the look a bit more, there's a history to the realization (at least as far as what has been written down), and many have said that it is actually the core of many of the great traditions. Some that realized what's pointed to have been revered, deified, crucified, or ex-communicated, depending on the prevailing culture of the time. Others have just gone on and lived quiet, peaceful lives with a sense of simply Knowing. I loves ya, mate. I think that this "points" to what we are, and here in this physical reality, we are only what we remember to be. Every perception, every experience is a memory, is read from memory (not in the sense of a piece of brain). The implication is that if the content of your banks of memories is altered by something / somebody, then you become a different you, and aren't aware of that change. Take a game-console example: load another program, another reality is created. All experiences, physical and nonphysical, all perceptions, direct and indirect, are just recollections, and could actually be implanted with no "factual" basis. You can only say that "you are". Surely, you make assumptions, hypotheses, but believing they are "true" is a mistake. They are only work in progress. If the truth is unique, then all the people who had the ultimate realization would've realized the same truth. They didn't. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2024 19:21:15 GMT -5
OK. I think it's fair to say you think it's all a farce, and everyone is just repeating nonsense ad nauseum. All Good, mate. It's easy enough to understand why. Following through tends to turn things inside out and back a bit, and it's not always fun. If you are interested and/or prefer to depersonalize the look a bit more, there's a history to the realization (at least as far as what has been written down), and many have said that it is actually the core of many of the great traditions. Some that realized what's pointed to have been revered, deified, crucified, or ex-communicated, depending on the prevailing culture of the time. Others have just gone on and lived quiet, peaceful lives with a sense of simply Knowing. I loves ya, mate. I think that this "points" to what we are, and here in this physical reality, we are only what we remember to be. Every perception, every experience is a memory, is read from memory (not in the sense of a piece of brain). The implication is that if the content of your banks of memories is altered by something / somebody, then you become a different you, and aren't aware of that change. Take a game-console example: load another program, another reality is created. All experiences, physical and nonphysical, all perceptions, direct and indirect, are just recollections, and could actually be implanted with no "factual" basis. You can only say that "you are". Surely, you make assumptions, hypotheses, but believing they are "true" is a mistake. They are only work in progress.If the truth is unique, then all the people who had the ultimate realization would've realized the same truth. They didn't. . |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2024 19:27:29 GMT -5
I have read along with peeps for 10 years on forums, the hardcore ND peeps all sing from the same hymn sheet. From the illusory peep, to the dream world scenario. I just read something on another forum from this lady who declared she knows everything about Non duality and knows for certain life is a dream. I mean you just don't get this from ordinary folk. It's like a cult. Peeps read stuff and recite it like it's the truth. You can spot a N.D. peep a mile off. You ask a question against their core beliefs and it goes pear shaped pretty quickly, You're either not even here to begin with and if you are you're an illusory dream character that arises in consciousness. It's not normal mate. Soz, butt it ain't. This type of talk belongs in a niche club, that recites the scriptures when push comes to shove. I mean I like ZD and find him highly respectful butt he doesn't know what the spirit or soul refers too, only consciousness. I used to pull figs up on her posts, for they weren't normal. Its was like a non duality language that you wouldn't dare speak of down the pub with your mates. There is defo a code here that N.D.'s speak of, the general public wouldn't have a clue what's been said. The thing is, half of what is said, isn't known lol, and if it is, it's only a pointer what is True, that can't be conceptualised. I am not having a rant here, I am not anti N.D. peeps, it's just I see through it all . Tenka: I think you understand the ND perspective quite well, and I fully agree with your basic claim that "there is only what you are." I also agree with your attitude toward the "it's all a dream" folks. From my POV life is quite concrete and down-to-earth, and if someone said to me, "This everyday life isn't real," I'd be tempted to smack them with a Zen stick. ATST each human is unique, and many people have highly unusual experiences on this path. Although this character has also had many unusual experiences, it's possible that you've had experiences that have never occurred here, and that's why I mentioned the guy who talked about different kinds of bodies--causal, etheric, astral, etc. FWIW, I've never encountered a soul, a spirit guide, astral stuff, other planes of existence, etc, so I have no reference for those types of things. I accept that other people have had experiences beyond those I know about, and I'm always curious about those kinds of things even though I'm totally content with ordinary everyday life however it manifests. From my POV all there is is THIS, and although there's an individual body/mind organism with the screen name ZD, I know from direct experience that what I am is infinite, unified, and beyond birth or death. When I take a breath of air, I know that the air coming into the body is as much the real "Me" as the body most people imagine as ZD because what I am is infinite and includes all that IS. When this body dies, what I am will still be here because it is not confined to a body. Now, with all of that in mind, can you explain or describe what you mean by the words "soul" or "spirit"? If or when you have 56 minutes, and wish to, watch the Plotinus video sN just posted on the quotes thread. It will explain this and tenka and inavalan and sdp pretty well, where we are coming from. Soul is soul, spirit is basically Nous. |
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Living in Kyoto amongst all the beautiful, silent temples which I frequented, I get it. Indeed, there was something dreamy about them and the expression found in their poetry.