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Post by cabinintheforest on Feb 9, 2010 21:03:19 GMT -5
I fully oppose drugs. Who else does here?
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Post by zendancer on Feb 9, 2010 23:39:59 GMT -5
Cabin: That seems rather extreme from my perspective. Personally, I like novacaine when I go to the dentist for a root canal. Olive Garden has a fantastic almond amore chocolate torte dessert drink (don't know if I spelled that correctly) and red wine helps keep my platelets from clogging the pipes. NSAID's are a great help after I beat myself up on downhill slopes or after spraining various things while mountain climbing or dancing. I'd keep an open mind if I were you. One of these days you might get so old you'll need a drug or two to keep your bag of bones functional.
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Post by karen on Feb 10, 2010 1:34:56 GMT -5
I've really enjoyed cannabis in the past (the very recent past at that  ). And it's super hard to recover from surgery without a little help from a Demerol drip. But they certainly can be a dead end that's for sure! I've found that dogma can be a dead end too. |
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Post by vacant on Feb 10, 2010 6:13:15 GMT -5
Agreed!
When I find myself fully opposing anything, that's a red flag saying that I'm blocking the flow. Something must then be let go of. Simplistic, granted, but I feel that I've invested way too much in opinions and preferences.
...then I'll have to watch not to oppose opposition.
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 10, 2010 12:09:36 GMT -5
I, personally, have no problem with drugs, other than that they don't work. They don't provide any lasting fulfillment, and they make my body feel bad. Granted, I've never tried any hard drugs, and never will, as that's a messy road that doesn't need to be taken. But I think there is a place in this world for all things. I just don't see them as at all useful if one wants any permanent progress. Also, depending on the addictiveness level, it can seriously get in the way of moving forward. But that depends on the drug. Coffee is probably okay, crack cocaine is probably not.
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Post by jimmytantric on Feb 10, 2010 18:22:08 GMT -5
Klaus- Why would you oppose anything on a mental level? There are 50,000 people in the US serving prison time for the non-violent crime of possessing and smoking a plant, (marijuana). 2/3ds of all people incarcerated in Americas prisons are their on non-violent offenses---half of those 2/3rds are non-violent drug convictions. US has less than 5% of worlds population yet 25% of the worlds prisoners. Marijuana is known to take away pain from cancer patients! When you start telling others what they can and can't do- you assume the role of God, instead of Being. Indians used peyote for spiritual reasons. Freud was addicted to cocaine and the list goes on. I personally, like karen have had windows of perception opened while on weed and mushrooms in the past. Marijuana is a plant, alcohol, cocaine,heroine,cigarettes and speed are processed!!! Yet the more important issue irregardless of your stance on drugs, (which is another word I might add), is who is this I, (Klaus) who is opposing? Some people oppose dancing, (christian fanatics), others swearing and still others Nudity-where do you draw the line? And like vacant said are you not accepting while in this opposing state. Lastly have you observed this Giver of LIFE, ( GOD ), doesn't oppose crap-so why do you? Ethics are for the control and regulation of the sheep. They have nothing to do with waking up other than individual purity in deed and esp. thought-- but only as prerequisite to put yourself in the flow(TAO). Yet they are not a means to an end-that is self driven. Good luck! ;D
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Post by jimmytantric on Feb 10, 2010 18:25:44 GMT -5
I meant cabinforest not Klaus--sorry Klaus! One more suggestion to U cabinforest--meditation will greatly assist in these issues you keep presenting to yourself---spend 2-4 hrs a day in silence meditating and this Giver of ALLexpresion/reflection will make ALL known to you. Good luck .
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Post by alpha on Feb 10, 2010 19:13:56 GMT -5
I, personally, have no problem with drugs, other than that they don't work. They don't provide any lasting fulfillment, and they make my body feel bad. Granted, I've never tried any hard drugs, and never will, as that's a messy road that doesn't need to be taken. But I think there is a place in this world for all things. I just don't see them as at all useful if one wants any permanent progress. Also, depending on the addictiveness level, it can seriously get in the way of moving forward. But that depends on the drug. Coffee is probably okay, crack cocaine is probably not. I agree totally with LM, Just look at the people dealing in these drugs, that alone is reason enough to stay away,if one has windows of perception open due to weed, I feel its like been lifted from the side of the mountain by helicopter to the summit instead of climbing, in the end, I feel its better to climb, even if it takes a few more lifetimes... |
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Post by maggie on Feb 11, 2010 3:46:54 GMT -5
Not that I recommend it for others...but drugs and alcohol brought me to surrender and started my search for truth.... Does that make me grateful for drugs, well YES! Coffee is my preferred drug of choice now, mostly in the mornings. Maggie
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Post by cabinintheforest on Feb 11, 2010 9:26:52 GMT -5
Drugs are material, not mental.
These people are immoral, they are drug dealers they stand on streets selling these drugs to innocent children, is this what you support is it? These people along with murderers and rapists deserve capital punishment.
Not at all. But even if it does take away the pain for a little while, what good is this? It will not cure you, and it will only damage your health further.
Not at all, i just know what being moral is and taking drugs is not included becuase drugs are immoral. Read the bible it does not support drugs.
Im guessing your talking about Native Indians of America, no drugs will give you a spiritual experience, they will only give you a delusion. Shamanism etc is all delusion it's based on drugs.
Freud was a sex maniac, a complete pervert he was an immoral man, he is not worth talking about. Jung even split his friendship with him becuase Freud was a sexual maniac.
Just delusions.
It's not natural to smoke a plant.
If you were moral you would not be asking this question. Im sure you are moral deep down but some of your beliefs have been warped with sin. Swearing and nudity is not natural it is immoral.
God never created sin, sin is a delusion, false belief, a mistake, error, unreal. We should never accept sin. We need to oppose evil and cling to what is good, becuase reality is good.
God, spirit is only good. Drugs and all the immoral things you seem to support are not of God, they are man made false beliefs which are errors. So to answer your question anyone who actually takes illegal drugs or does other immoral things is opposing God.
Please study the teachings of Jesus, he opposed drugs, he healed many people (metaphysically) becuase he understood the Christ, he understood divine mind, mind over matter, truth over error, good over evil, life over death. Jesus Christ's way of healing is available to all people, now as much as in Biblical times.
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Post by vacant on Feb 11, 2010 11:11:22 GMT -5
Well well Cabin! Thank you for telling this board what is immoral, what isn't natural... and what God never created But there's also great strides to make in trying to see beyond definitions and un-making up one's mind about things. I find a big problem in adopting strong opinions is one often has to spend/waste time defending them. That said I certainly wouldn't dream to try to make you change the opinions you're perfectly entitled to. It's all good. |
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Post by karen on Feb 11, 2010 11:14:25 GMT -5
As long as you've got it all figured out then... |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 11, 2010 11:42:20 GMT -5
There is a time for speaking and a time for remaining silent. Oops, I've already said too much.
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 11, 2010 12:14:53 GMT -5
Hehe....  |
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Post by jimmytantric on Feb 11, 2010 19:33:44 GMT -5
Cabinforest--- Obviously you are a Christian. I will not get involved in trying to give to give you meat, as your Saviour once said to others-simply because you are not ripe for this. I will just say that in the name of Christianity/Catholicism many have been murdered----crusades etc. I would suggest Joel Goldsmith, Peace Pilgrim, Meister Elkhart, Leo Tolstoy and the Course in Miracles for starters, if you wish to awaken to what YOU truly are. Good luck my fellow seeker. Lastly you might want to question the very thoughts/opinions coming from the thought process you consider to be you? Peace--nonjudgmental and Clarity to ALL. OM
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). And it's super hard to recover from surgery without a little help from a Demerol drip.
