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Post by vacant on Feb 9, 2010 8:19:48 GMT -5
Seems that a lot of those for whom the search has come to an end were previously exposed to the company of awakened souls. Certainly a lot of those I can find records of. Indeed the great teachers provide company and exposure rather than lessons, methods or definitions. So I wonder if enlightenment is contagious  If so would it be beneficial to seek the company of those who have already fallen off the cliff?... Or perhaps the sheer "proximity" of the All Pervading Presence in all situations, with someone or alone, is exposure aplenty. Hmmm... |
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Post by robert on Feb 9, 2010 9:23:47 GMT -5
i wonder if the exposure just allows the presence to seek the cracks in our ego shells because the presence is never gone it is only covered . along the same vein i think that being in the proximity of those who have awakened allows the ego to understand that it is okay for the presence to shine. i have thought about this for a while and the presence is that aspect of us that is never changed and will never change. so enlightenment is not something that we can catch. it is fundamentally us no matter what blocks the path. just my thoughts. i still have much removal work in progress. not preaching just learning.
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Post by skyblue on Feb 9, 2010 13:31:51 GMT -5
I've wondered the same thing Vacant. I have also wondered about transmission. Can those who have awakened directly transmit it to others?  I hope enlightenment is contagious! |
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 9, 2010 15:46:04 GMT -5
There is definitely a deep vibratory level that comes with Enlightenment, and it's as if an energetic model for people to recognize. It is definitely possible to recognize the Self by allowing oneself to resonate with that. But I find that whatever is needed to recognize the self for a serious seeker willing to look at anything is provided by life.
This level can be transmitted under the words, through videos, or direct contact. But it is not required necessarily in order to realize the Self. That said, it is nice to have some pointers and insights to make sure that one is not prematurely stopping. It definitely helped me a lot....
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Post by robert on Feb 9, 2010 19:13:57 GMT -5
i know this may sound a little harsh but i feel a bit harsh today. why are any of us working at this at all when all that i need to do is go sit beside someone who's done the heavy lifting. are we really talking about wishing for and receiving enlightenment. a video may spur you in you own work but i seriously doubt that what you feel is of any permanence.
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Post by klaus on Feb 9, 2010 19:40:54 GMT -5
lightmystic,
I agree life is the best teacher. Although people may resonate with vibratory levels and gain some insight it is not enlightenment.
I have found that these transmissions of vibratory levels fade in time and are as transitory as anything else.
robert,
Good observation.
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Post by karen on Feb 10, 2010 1:28:06 GMT -5
i know this may sound a little harsh but i feel a bit harsh today. why are any of us working at this at all when all that i need to do is go sit beside someone who's done the heavy lifting. are we really talking about wishing for and receiving enlightenment. a video may spur you in you own work but i seriously doubt that what you feel is of any permanence. I believe this thread might be an excellent answer to your question. |
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 10, 2010 11:54:24 GMT -5
Robert and Klaus,
Yes, good points. The energetic structure, the vibration, the transmission, of Enlightenment can be felt directly, but it has to be integrated into oneself for it to be anything other than a transitory, passing experience. And what that means, practically, is letting go of whatever was in the way of having that experience all the time already. And so that just comes back to looking at, and feeling deeply into, whatever it is we are trying to avoid, as always....so there's no way around doing the work, no easy magical way to get us there. Bummer, though, right?
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Post by robert on Feb 10, 2010 15:28:51 GMT -5
bummer sure but if it was as easy as that who would care.
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Post by karen on Feb 10, 2010 17:10:21 GMT -5
I'm sure if it was that easy, we'd figure out a way to make it this hard.  |
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Post by robert on Feb 11, 2010 11:54:01 GMT -5
amen
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Post by robert on Feb 11, 2010 18:31:48 GMT -5
although from what i understand it fairly simple and we have managed to spin such complexity around that most don't even try.
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Post by lightmystic on Feb 12, 2010 10:58:32 GMT -5
Robert,
Yes, it is very simple, but it means really feeling into those intensely dark places of ourselves that we don't want to look, so it's uncomfortable. And there's so much unconscious avoidance that there really has to be enough attention to even begin to become aware of how we are resisting all the time. What we think of as status quo is full of tons or resistance, and so it can be hard to see through that. Well, at first it can....
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