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Post by laughter on Feb 13, 2023 22:20:21 GMT -5
Most people on the forum have expressed their understanding, and any interest in arguing has ceased, so there's no longer much to say here. Another possible reason for decreased participation is that there are now numerous non-duality zoom meetings and YouTube presentations every day of the week, so many people may be interacting with each other in that way. On a recent zoom ND meeting three people mentioned that they've been regularly listening to YouTube interviews and podcasts with Angelo Dilullo, and two of those people had attended zoom multi-day virtual retreats with him. The opportunities for these kinds of meetings seem to be increasing all the time with numerous ND sages. I'd say when Gopal is complaining about a lack of food-fighting and dead-horse-beating on the forum, that's actually a good thing.  And WIBIGO is that there have been several cycles of quiet periods. On both forums. But hey, that's just WIBIGO, after all.  |
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Post by laughter on Feb 14, 2023 8:22:00 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but like you, they all have their own forum (except Robert maybe). So I'm not sure what you are actually complaining about. There should be at least one forum where you all can meet and make up for that 'loss' again, right? An abrupt transformation has bestowed upon an individual the faculty of oration redolent of sovereign rule, yet he remains heedless of the verity that such power has been merely lent to him, subject to retrieval at the discretion of his superiors. It behooves him to evince the courage to acknowledge the veracity that this forum is devoid of contention solely owing to his influence, a fact universally recognized among its patrons. Robert, Enigma, Figgles, Esponja and Sree have collectively absconded from this location for a reason that is conspicuous to all. ok, now do a poem.  (.. no ai! ..) |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 14, 2023 14:38:59 GMT -5
An abrupt transformation has bestowed upon an individual the faculty of oration redolent of sovereign rule, yet he remains heedless of the verity that such power has been merely lent to him, subject to retrieval at the discretion of his superiors. It behooves him to evince the courage to acknowledge the veracity that this forum is devoid of contention solely owing to his influence, a fact universally recognized among its patrons. Robert, Enigma, Figgles, Esponja and Sree have collectively absconded from this location for a reason that is conspicuous to all. ok, now do a poem. (.. no ai! ..)That sounds like a pre-release version of ChatGPT |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 0:03:04 GMT -5
I'd say when Gopal is complaining about a lack of food-fighting and dead-horse-beating on the forum, that's actually a good thing. You must be confusing me with someone else, as I would never engage in a food fight. Infact I am the only person who is generous here. There's actually some truth to this. You are right, you've been very disciplined in that regard in recent months. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 0:04:09 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong, but like you, they all have their own forum (except Robert maybe). So I'm not sure what you are actually complaining about. There should be at least one forum where you all can meet and make up for that 'loss' again, right? An abrupt transformation has bestowed upon an individual the faculty of oration redolent of sovereign rule, yet he remains heedless of the verity that such power has been merely lent to him, subject to retrieval at the discretion of his superiors. It behooves him to evince the courage to acknowledge the veracity that this forum is devoid of contention solely owing to his influence, a fact universally recognized among its patrons. Robert, Enigma, Figgles, Esponja and Sree have collectively absconded from this location for a reason that is conspicuous to all. Absconded? Sounds like an admission of guilt or something. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 0:31:55 GMT -5
I am afraid this forum is moving towards the dead state! People who are dissatisfied can go to Gab. Agreed. And I've been sending lots of people to gab already over the years. But gab is mainly a covid forum now. I guess that's why Gopal always comes back here. And that's a general trend I've noticed over the years anyway, that those who leave dissatisfied, in the end come back here again. ST is still the best forum after all. As someone else just mentioned, this forum is unique in all the interwebs. There's no other forum like this. And we'll keep it that way. What people who are not satisfied with the current forum direction need to understand though is that the forum direction generally follows where the active members want to take it. And so, naturally, the most prolific posters here tend to determine the overall direction. So those who want to see it more focused on non-duality are free to initiate such conversations and see where that goes. If the interest among the membership is there, direction will change again. Simple. In that sense, I would like members here to be a bit more proactive instead of just passively consuming and merely reacting to whatever is happening here and then complaining about what is happening (or what isn't happening). |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 1:05:11 GMT -5
I'd say when Gopal is complaining about a lack of food-fighting and dead-horse-beating on the forum, that's actually a good thing. And WIBIGO is that there have been several cycles of quiet periods. On both forums. But hey, that's just WIBIGO, after all. It's all a bunch of hilarious projections, of course. Gopal's measure of success for a forum is quantity of discussion, unlike here where it is quality of discussion. Which means to him a quiet period is a huge problem, while here it is not. He may even see it as a personal failure in regard to his own forum(s). So I'm with ZD on this. This is about Gopal, not ST. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 1:26:33 GMT -5
An abrupt transformation has bestowed upon an individual the faculty of oration redolent of sovereign rule, yet he remains heedless of the verity that such power has been merely lent to him, subject to retrieval at the discretion of his superiors. It behooves him to evince the courage to acknowledge the veracity that this forum is devoid of contention solely owing to his influence, a fact universally recognized among its patrons. Robert, Enigma, Figgles, Esponja and Sree have collectively absconded from this location for a reason that is conspicuous to all. Absconded? Sounds like an admission of guilt or something. Making a serious post seem humorous, but I like your inventiveness. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 1:27:09 GMT -5
Enigma opted to leave due to the difficult circumstances, Figgles was banned, Robert decided to depart, and Sree was banned. I got banned for a month. I'll probably check in from time to time out of curiosity, but I won't be participating like before. I don't like to talk about these topics all the time, but when I do, there are other groups and other ways. Zendancer mentioned some. okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 1:37:51 GMT -5
You must be confusing me with someone else, as I would never engage in a food fight. Infact I am the only person who is generous here. There's actually some truth to this. You are right, you've been very disciplined in that regard in recent months. Oh, thank you very much. Truth speakers are always Gopal's favorite. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2023 8:37:30 GMT -5
There's actually some truth to this. You are right, you've been very disciplined in that regard in recent months. Oh, thank you very much. Truth speakers are always Gopal's favorite. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 8:24:13 GMT -5
Are there any standards or rules around banning people on this forum? I ask because a few people have been banned lately based on what look like whims and double standards. I was banned last month for forcefully challenging Reefs' beliefs about cancer and death. I got kind of rude, I guess, but it was par for the course. I was making fair points that others agreed with. Reefs denigrates people regularly, and I can point to things said to me or others that were more 'rude' than anything I said.
Normally I wouldn't stay in a group with an admin like Reefs pushing beliefs I don't follow. I'd just leave. But in this case I got confused because this forum is linked off a website (https://www.spiritualteachers.org) where Ramana and Niz get 5-stars, and the LOA/magic-creation stuff is nowhere in sight.
It also seems to me that if you ban people, it would be better to announce the ban and the rule that was violated. With me and Sree, it was done North Korea style (you just disappear), so people were sending me private messages and had no idea I was gone. The site just says "you are banned from this forum" so I wasn't sure about the duration.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 19, 2023 9:25:53 GMT -5
Are there any standards or rules around banning people on this forum? I ask because a few people have been banned lately based on what look like whims and double standards. I was banned last month for forcefully challenging Reefs' beliefs about cancer and death. I got kind of rude, I guess, but it was par for the course. I was making fair points that others agreed with. Reefs denigrates people regularly, and I can point to things said to me or others that were more 'rude' than anything I said. Normally I wouldn't stay in a group with an admin like Reefs pushing beliefs I don't follow. I'd just leave. But in this case I got confused because this forum is linked off a website (https://www.spiritualteachers.org) where Ramana and Niz get 5-stars, and the LOA/magic-creation stuff is nowhere in sight. It also seems to me that if you ban people, it would be better to announce the ban and the rule that was violated. With me and Sree, it was done North Korea style (you just disappear), so people were sending me private messages and had no idea I was gone. The site just says "you are banned from this forum" so I wasn't sure about the duration. Hi Robert, About forum content, you are not the first one who is complaining. But this forum is a non-duality forum by accident, not by design. It started out as a spiritual friends locator. That was the original purpose of the forum. Later discussion areas had been added and the forum has basically been left to itself. And so it slowly grew into a non-duality forum. Not because that was the intent for the forum but because the people who were posting here gave it that orientation. So this forum is by no means limited to non-duality. It is only limited to spirituality in the broadest sense. Which is why we always have and still tolerate discussions about LOA and also QM. About the not announcing temp bans issue, I am also not happy with that solution. But every time I make any announcements about having banned someone, we have another storm in a teacup on the forum about moderation. So from my perspective, it's a lose/lose situation. Permanent bans will be announced though. About the rules here, there are actually only two rules: 1) no giraffing 2) no crusading About your ban, you forgot a few inconvenient but very important facts that happened prior to your ban: 1) you had been warned (at least twice, I think) that you were crossing certain lines 2) you had been insulting the entire forum for a while 3) you threatened to delete your account as a sign of protest So from my perspective, you were up to no good and had been violating the no-crusades rule. And fyi, right now, you are in the process of violating both of these rules, again. I hope that clarifies. R |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 11:23:02 GMT -5
Hi Robert, About forum content, you are not the first one who is complaining. But this forum is a non-duality forum by accident, not by design. It started out as a spiritual friends locator. That was the original purpose of the forum. Later discussion areas had been added and the forum has basically been left to itself. And so it slowly grew into a non-duality forum. Not because that was the intent for the forum but because the people who were posting here gave it that orientation. So this forum is by no means limited to non-duality. It is only limited to spirituality in the broadest sense. Which is why we always have and still tolerate discussions about LOA and also QM. About the not announcing temp bans issue, I am also not happy with that solution. But every time I make any announcements about having banned someone, we have another storm in a teacup on the forum about moderation. So from my perspective, it's a lose/lose situation. Permanent bans will be announced though. About the rules here, there are actually only two rules: 1) no giraffing 2) no crusading About your ban, you forgot a few inconvenient but very important facts that happened prior to your ban: 1) you had been warned (at least twice, I think) that you were crossing certain lines 2) you had been insulting the entire forum for a while 3) you threatened to delete your account as a sign of protest So from my perspective, you were up to no good and had been violating the no-crusades rule. And fyi, right now, you are in the process of violating both of these rules, again. I hope that clarifies. R Yes, actually, that does clarify. While I don't like that it's subjective and boils down to your point of view, I don't have a great alternative, so I can accept that. It's not like you can have jury trials to ban people from some web forum. It's good to see this all clearly stated. I think the first time you 'warned' me, I thought you were so far out of line that that incident became comedy to me, and I discounted it. But again, with no court system, or place to argue the issue about whether my questions are "straw men" and "crusading", there is little point in revisiting it. Sounds like you were counting me as having a strike or two when I thought I had nothing. It seems unfortunate that you see me as "up to no good", but that's what happens when people who shouldn't be working together are interacting. So again, I can accept that, and move on. It helps me to realize that this forum has little or nothing to do with the parent website. Many eons ago, I attended in-person meetings loosely associated with that site. They had a unique character, and I think some of our dust-up here has to do with me treating this place like those old meetings in certain respects. That's probably on me. No need to ban me again. This conversation will organically die off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 22:23:49 GMT -5
About the rules here, there are actually only two rules: 1) no giraffing 2) no crusading Do the rules also apply to admin and if so what is the procedure for issuing a warning.? Asking for a friend. |
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