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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 13:15:01 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 30, 2022 21:28:44 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. Practical Chi Development Qigong, tai chi, and other forms of Taoist martial and healing arts help to develop subtle chi-energy, not as an idea, but rather leading to directly feeling and experiencing chi in the body. There are many ways to develop chi. In terms of the physical body, chi development can make an ill or weak person more hearty and alive. The concept of chi, however, also extends beyond the physical body, to the subtle energies that activate all human functions, including emotions and thought. In Taoism, the way chi extends outside of the physical body is understood as the Eight Energy Body Theory. from: www.energyarts.com/what-is-chi/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We create a certain quantity and quality of energy every day in the body from food and air (which is a kind of food). In the normal course we expend this energy, and create another supply for the next day from food and air and sleep. But it's possible to accumulate a more subtle energy, to save it and store it. What saves the energy? Well, you have found the answer, the use of attention. In some manner in your meditation you are directing attention, this is what saves energy. Different cultures and traditions have different names for this energy, chi, Qi, prajna. Taoism and Chinese medicine have a whole subtle energy system mapped out, the meridians. But this energy is usually below the threshold of experience. But the energy saved can be transformed into an even finer energy. Attention is like a spot light, it has a limited field or a particular object. Awareness is like a flood light, it has a broader field, it can be thought of in terms of a whole or wholeness. This finer energy from transformation of subtle energy saved is perceptible. Sensory impressions are also a kind of food. Ordinarily, the food of impressions is not transformed, this is why a finer energy is not normally perceptible, there isn't any. But if impressions are transformed, the resulting energy is perceptible. I posted the following from The States of Human Consciousness by C Daly King, 1963, about a week ago, seven requirements for self-observation, or as he says more broadly, active awareness. I'm sure you have probably heard the saying before, energy flows where attention goes. We have numerous leaks of energy, the internal dialogue wastes energy, tension in the body wastes energy. We can waste enormous amounts of energy in seconds and minutes through emotional outbursts. So a couple of the seven will relate to "energy flows where attention goes". But just like we have a physical body, we have more subtle bodies, but these do not 'grow' without the proper energy. The physical body is a chemical laboratory (an alchemical laboratory). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He lays out the seven characteristics of Active Awareness as follows: (from the book) 1. It excludes any element of criticism 2. It excludes any element of tutorialness 3. It excludes any element of analysis or other mental process 4. It involves a a complete non-identification from the organism 5. It is directed only toward the prescribed area of objectivity 6. It involves the mediation of all sensations appropriate to its objects 7. It is not limited in its exercise to any special times or places |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 30, 2022 21:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 7:05:24 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. Lead turning into Gold is a quite real process. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 21:43:21 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. Practical Chi Development [...] Cool, thanks. At the moment I don't feel like reading too much about it, but I could see coming back to that later, depending on where/how it goes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2022 17:14:13 GMT -5
Lead turning into Gold is a quite real process. I guess alchemy has some fantastical meaning.. but in the real world lead is lead, not gold The Prima Materia is everywhere, though if you believe that the world is only made of Lead, then so be it. |
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Post by unseekingseeker on Oct 8, 2022 10:09:14 GMT -5
Addressing the opening post of this thread, yes, I’d agree that meditation leads to an energy (kundalini) activation. Real, graphic, blissful, certainly physical. Unmistakable.
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Post by unseekingseeker on Oct 8, 2022 21:21:49 GMT -5
Addressing the opening post of this thread, yes, I’d agree that meditation leads to an energy (kundalini) activation. Real, graphic, blissful, certainly physical. Unmistakable. or even without meditation... which, for example, I've never done but find silence somehow, sure plus whatever else you'll need I guess Meditation, in my view, is not an activity but an orientation of embrace and release with ease, moment to moment, all moments entwined, in thought rested vibrancy, acceptant, unexpectant, vibrant. As such, an is-ness of being-ness. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 10, 2022 14:25:44 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. Looking for something else, I chanced upon > this<, from an earlier thread. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 10, 2022 14:27:58 GMT -5
And I will ask a question, Why is physicality significant?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 15:24:58 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. Looking for something else, I chanced upon > this<, from an earlier thread. Interesting. Thanks for the link. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 11, 2022 6:56:59 GMT -5
And I will ask a question, Why is physicality significant? because one would need a vessel through which to experience life? True, but not what I had in mind. |
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Post by japhy on Oct 29, 2022 17:55:30 GMT -5
I've noticed lately when I sit to "meditate", it feels more like some kind of physical/body process than before. It feels like there's an energy that is loosening and in a way separating from the body, or dissolving. It's kind of interesting to me, but it doesn't leave me with much to talk about. For me ZaZen is more physical than anything else.I had once an argument with a TaiChi teacher that we don't do anything/much physical in sitting meditation. Especially if I sit for long (Shessin), I get really drawn into my bodily processes. I have the feeling that my Zen teacher chuckles at the people who want to measure effect of meditation on the brain, because he feels that every sitting transforms the whole body and they should also be measuring that. I started to feel some energy withing months / weeks of starting daily sitting (more than 10 years ago) and it has never really left me. It just changes depending on how much I sit, life in general etc. During that time the focus has been on different body parts, recently something is going on in my thighs. My advice to myself back then would be: don't try to change it, don't try to use it, don't focus on it too much, relax, everything is okay, if it gets too much go for a walk, do some physical activities, don't get attached to it, enjoy. |
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