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Post by sree on Sept 3, 2022 23:46:34 GMT -5
I really only understand your first paragraph, and I can address that. I consider the issue of 'having it both ways' to be a matter of context. It's reasonable to say, 'I am a human, not a cat or a tortoise'. It's true within a particular context. But it's not a transcendent context, not the context that we come here to discuss (though as it turns out, we sometimes do discuss it) Your second and third paragraph confuses me greatly. In fact, it confuses me so much that I've attempted twice to write a paragraph explaining what I don't understand, but have deleted them both, because I feel like I am responding to my sense of confusion, with even more confusion.
Maybe what I said in my first paragraph is enough to be going on with. I appreciate your honesty with me, as well as, with yourself. When you can't take my shot, you did not get into a rage, jump over the net into my side of the court, and come after me with your tennis racket. The umpire is still out and has not made a call on the shot I made. It could be a foul, or unacceptable within the rules of play. Let's ignore what I said in the second and third paragraph and freeze time on that shot. When you can take it, let me know. We will resume play. I would like to see how you return that shot. This is the way champions should play. If this is Wimbledon and I am playing the next 5 best players in the world, we will set mankind free of suffering in one match.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2022 2:14:30 GMT -5
Sree, I think it's time you stop sifting thru and trying to make sense of your own mental clutter or that of others. That's what's toxic, not the world. It gives you a very myopic perspective of the world. It's like looking at the world thru a straw. That's basically what the size of your current field of vision is, compared to what we are pointing to. So what we are telling you is, just leave the toxic mental clutter as it is, break out of that artificially narrow field of vision, throw away that straw, and take in the entire field, which is the natural way of seeing. This hyper-focused, problem-oriented looking is very unnatural, it tires the senses and the mind and darkens your mood and stifles the flow of life force thru you. That's how one becomes a loner and a misanthrope. You went down into your basement, locked yourself in and then started writing long letters from within your solitary confinement complaining about how dark and inhospitable that world is, while at the same time children outside are playing and have fun in the sun, people engage in loving relationships and have the best times of their lives. Can you see how ridiculous your position actually is? It's all self-created misery. Open up! Draw back your curtains, let in the light! Let the world take care of itself for a while. It did so before you were born and it will continue to do so when you are gone again, so why worry about the world while you are here? Lighten up and stop feeling so darn sorry for yourself. That's what spirituality is about, to let you thrive and live life fully, to let it rip. What you call spirituality is just sour-grapes ego self-help stuff. And that's pathetic.
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Post by andrew on Sept 4, 2022 8:08:40 GMT -5
yep, I see. Also appreciated Robert's input on that one. But yeah, I took Sree to basically mean 'atheists/materialists'.I did not mean that, andrew. aetheists/materialists are names for boatmen. The boatman, actually, does not exist. He is an illusion. What exists is atheism, materialism, spiritualism. Einstein was a perception of reality: space-time continuum. In my opinion, this is bs. Did Einstein contribute to the invention of the GPS? I doubt it, but we can discuss this.
There is no Sree. It is just a name to denote a window, a perception of reality.
One of the challenges in discussing things with you is the wide variety of ideas and themes you offer. I can't keep up with them, it's sort of overwhelming. It seems 'the boatman' is a consistent theme, so is what you call 'the boatman', what most folks call 'ego'? If so, do you see the ego as an I-thought? A particular structure of thought that is formed in the brain? Or if you don't like the idea of there being a 'brain', then a structure of thought that appears/manifests in Consciousness? I assume when you speak of a 'window' as being a 'perception of reality', that this is a way of talking about an 'individual consciousness'?
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Post by sree on Sept 4, 2022 9:55:01 GMT -5
Sree, I think it's time you stop sifting thru and trying to make sense of your own mental clutter or that of others. That's what's toxic, not the world. It gives you a very myopic perspective of the world. It's like looking at the world thru a straw. That's basically what the size of your current field of vision is, compared to what we are pointing to. So what we are telling you is, just leave the toxic mental clutter as it is, break out of that artificially narrow field of vision, throw away that straw, and take in the entire field, which is the natural way of seeing. This hyper-focused, problem-oriented looking is very unnatural, it tires the senses and the mind and darkens your mood and stifles the flow of life force thru you. That's how one becomes a loner and a misanthrope. You went down into your basement, locked yourself in and then started writing long letters from within your solitary confinement complaining about how dark and inhospitable that world is, while at the same time children outside are playing and have fun in the sun, people engage in loving relationships and have the best times of their lives. Can you see how ridiculous your position actually is? It's all self-created misery. Open up! Draw back your curtains, let in the light! Let the world take care of itself for a while. It did so before you were born and it will continue to do so when you are gone again, so why worry about the world while you are here? Lighten up and stop feeling so darn sorry for yourself. That's what spirituality is about, to let you thrive and live life fully, to let it rip. What you call spirituality is just sour-grapes ego self-help stuff. And that's pathetic. Is this an order to stop engaging in conversation with members here and responding to their replies to my posts? If this is a request to zip up and ship out, I will comply.
If it is not because I have not broken your forum rules but you just don't like my take on spirituality, just say so. You and I can talk this over in open forum and let members make the call on whose spirituality is consistent with living a sane life in the real world.
What do you say?
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2022 10:13:46 GMT -5
Sree, I think it's time you stop sifting thru and trying to make sense of your own mental clutter or that of others. That's what's toxic, not the world. It gives you a very myopic perspective of the world. It's like looking at the world thru a straw. That's basically what the size of your current field of vision is, compared to what we are pointing to. So what we are telling you is, just leave the toxic mental clutter as it is, break out of that artificially narrow field of vision, throw away that straw, and take in the entire field, which is the natural way of seeing. This hyper-focused, problem-oriented looking is very unnatural, it tires the senses and the mind and darkens your mood and stifles the flow of life force thru you. That's how one becomes a loner and a misanthrope. You went down into your basement, locked yourself in and then started writing long letters from within your solitary confinement complaining about how dark and inhospitable that world is, while at the same time children outside are playing and have fun in the sun, people engage in loving relationships and have the best times of their lives. Can you see how ridiculous your position actually is? It's all self-created misery. Open up! Draw back your curtains, let in the light! Let the world take care of itself for a while. It did so before you were born and it will continue to do so when you are gone again, so why worry about the world while you are here? Lighten up and stop feeling so darn sorry for yourself. That's what spirituality is about, to let you thrive and live life fully, to let it rip. What you call spirituality is just sour-grapes ego self-help stuff. And that's pathetic. Is this an order to stop engaging in conversation with members here and responding to their replies to my posts? If this is a request to zip up and ship out, I will comply.
If it is not because I have not broken your forum rules but you just don't like my take on spirituality, just say so. You and I can talk this over in open forum and let members make the call on whose spirituality is consistent with living a sane life in the real world.
What do you say?
No, not a request. Just an observation. Just pointing out how easy it could be if you'd only be serious. People sometimes confuse spirituality with psychology. And there are indeed some overlaps, but IMO spirituality starts where psychology ends. And when people are still hung up on personal psychological issues, it can be difficult to make that transition. But you're not the only one here who is stuck in an endless loop. I guess this just can't be helped. It's probably part of an internal clearing process for many. In that sense, forums can be helpful, if there is sincerity. If there isn't, these forums usually only perpetuate or even speed up the endless self-referential loop.
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Post by sree on Sept 4, 2022 10:46:14 GMT -5
Is this an order to stop engaging in conversation with members here and responding to their replies to my posts? If this is a request to zip up and ship out, I will comply.
If it is not because I have not broken your forum rules but you just don't like my take on spirituality, just say so. You and I can talk this over in open forum and let members make the call on whose spirituality is consistent with living a sane life in the real world.
What do you say?
No, not a request. Just an observation. Just pointing out how easy it could be if you'd only be serious. People sometimes confuse spirituality with psychology. And there are indeed some overlaps, but IMO spirituality starts where psychology ends. And when people are still hung up on personal psychological issues, it can be difficult to make that transition. But you're not the only one here who is stuck in an endless loop. I guess this just can't be helped. It's probably part of an internal clearing process for many. In that sense, forums can be helpful, if there is sincerity. If there isn't, these forums usually only perpetuate or even speed up the endless self-referential loop. I appreciate the clarification. You have no idea how much I have reaped in my short time here. I used the analogy of playing in a tennis match when I debate with members here. We all have different styles of play. Getting mad with an opponent is telling, isn't it? Especially, when we are dealing with anger issues.
I realize that my style of play is abnormal. While folks here are focused on argumentation and cleverness in debate, I pay attention to the evidence of the devil's presence in us. You may call it psychology but I view it as a lot more sinister. I won't bore you with my perceptions.
Please let me know if I stray too close to the fence of forum rules. I tend to push it to the limits when discourse is yielding fruit.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2022 11:13:27 GMT -5
No, not a request. Just an observation. Just pointing out how easy it could be if you'd only be serious. People sometimes confuse spirituality with psychology. And there are indeed some overlaps, but IMO spirituality starts where psychology ends. And when people are still hung up on personal psychological issues, it can be difficult to make that transition. But you're not the only one here who is stuck in an endless loop. I guess this just can't be helped. It's probably part of an internal clearing process for many. In that sense, forums can be helpful, if there is sincerity. If there isn't, these forums usually only perpetuate or even speed up the endless self-referential loop. I appreciate the clarification. You have no idea how much I have reaped in my short time here. I used the analogy of playing in a tennis match when I debate with members here. We all have different styles of play. Getting mad with an opponent is telling, isn't it? Especially, when we are dealing with anger issues.
I realize that my style of play is abnormal. While folks here are focused on argumentation and cleverness in debate, I pay attention to the evidence of the devil's presence in us. You may call it psychology but I view it as a lot more sinister. I won't bore you with my perceptions.
Please let me know if I stray too close to the fence of forum rules. I tend to push it to the limits when discourse is yielding fruit. It's been a bit of a tradition on this forum to test each others understanding. So in that sense, your tennis match approach fits the forum tradition. Just make sure that it doesn't turn into a grudge match. If you stay within the rules and it annoys or triggers others, then that's on them. No one forces them to reply to your posts or even read your posts. Your style isn't that unique, actually. You remind me of a former member by the name of Q (aka Question). He used to walk the line like you, trying to evoke reactions from people by being extra controversial and showing a lack of tact. Also, if I talk to you or anyone else here than I will do that mostly as a fellow regular member. So you can and should treat my like any other member. But if, on a rare occasion, I should talk to you or anyone else here as a moderator, I will use a different format, like this: So that there is no confusion if what I am saying is just a commentary or a request. Just out of curiosity, Sree, do feel that you've lasted here longer than you initially expected based on your experience with other forums? It always seems to me you expect to get banned any time soon, and when that doesn't happen, you seem surprised. Just another observation.
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Post by sree on Sept 4, 2022 11:21:39 GMT -5
I did not mean that, andrew. aetheists/materialists are names for boatmen. The boatman, actually, does not exist. He is an illusion. What exists is atheism, materialism, spiritualism. Einstein was a perception of reality: space-time continuum. In my opinion, this is bs. Did Einstein contribute to the invention of the GPS? I doubt it, but we can discuss this.
There is no Sree. It is just a name to denote a window, a perception of reality.
One of the challenges in discussing things with you is the wide variety of ideas and themes you offer. I can't keep up with them, it's sort of overwhelming. It seems 'the boatman' is a consistent theme, so is what you call 'the boatman', what most folks call 'ego'?If so, do you see the ego as an I-thought? A particular structure of thought that is formed in the brain? Or if you don't like the idea of there being a 'brain', then a structure of thought that appears/manifests in Consciousness? I assume when you speak of a 'window' as being a 'perception of reality', that this is a way of talking about an 'individual consciousness'? The boatman is a term used in the Chuangtze story. It's a pretty clever teaching tool for triggering insight into human relationship. Our western mind sees something else in accordance with our conditioning. Science tells us that we are human beings living on planet earth, that we come in two parts (a mind and a body), that the body is what the biologist says it is while the mind is what Freud said it is.
Human nature, through the "Chinese eye" is hyper-focused and problem-oriented, as Reefs put it. The concepts of ego and Consciousness are western rationalizations of human behavior. The Chinese intuit while we use reason. Intuition always hit the mark. Reason doesn't always run straight, and following the facts (i.e. science) go nowhere. This why the Chinese make a distinction between truth and facts.
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Post by andrew on Sept 4, 2022 11:42:22 GMT -5
One of the challenges in discussing things with you is the wide variety of ideas and themes you offer. I can't keep up with them, it's sort of overwhelming. It seems 'the boatman' is a consistent theme, so is what you call 'the boatman', what most folks call 'ego'?If so, do you see the ego as an I-thought? A particular structure of thought that is formed in the brain? Or if you don't like the idea of there being a 'brain', then a structure of thought that appears/manifests in Consciousness? I assume when you speak of a 'window' as being a 'perception of reality', that this is a way of talking about an 'individual consciousness'? The boatman is a term used in the Chuangtze story. It's a pretty clever teaching tool for triggering insight into human relationship. Our western mind sees something else in accordance with our conditioning. Science tells us that we are human beings living on planet earth, that we come in two parts (a mind and a body), that the body is what the biologist says it is while the mind is what Freud said it is.
Human nature, through the "Chinese eye" is hyper-focused and problem-oriented, as Reefs put it. The concepts of ego and Consciousness are western rationalizations of human behavior. The Chinese intuit while we use reason. Intuition always hit the mark. Reason doesn't always run straight, and following the facts (i.e. science) go nowhere. This why the Chinese make a distinction between truth and facts.
I appreciate that distinction, in my words, I would say that 'facts' are associated with, or belong within, a particular context, not all contexts are necessarily associated with facts. I also understand the bolded. If 'boatman' isn't the equivalent of 'ego', then I'm not much wiser on what a boatman is. Is it best if I read the Chuangtze story to find out?
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Post by sree on Sept 4, 2022 12:34:19 GMT -5
The boatman is a term used in the Chuangtze story. It's a pretty clever teaching tool for triggering insight into human relationship. Our western mind sees something else in accordance with our conditioning. Science tells us that we are human beings living on planet earth, that we come in two parts (a mind and a body), that the body is what the biologist says it is while the mind is what Freud said it is.
Human nature, through the "Chinese eye" is hyper-focused and problem-oriented, as Reefs put it. The concepts of ego and Consciousness are western rationalizations of human behavior. The Chinese intuit while we use reason. Intuition always hit the mark. Reason doesn't always run straight, and following the facts (i.e. science) go nowhere. This why the Chinese make a distinction between truth and facts.
I appreciate that distinction, in my words, I would say that 'facts' are associated with, or belong within, a particular context, not all contexts are necessarily associated with facts. I also understand the bolded. If 'boatman' isn't the equivalent of 'ego', then I'm not much wiser on what a boatman is. Is it best if I read the Chuangtze story to find out? Hey, mine is a western mind too. But that doesn't mean that I am locked into that mindset and can never switch off its auto-pilot mode. I don't want to get rid of it even if there is a way. Whatever for? I quite prefer it to the Chinese mindset or Gopal's India mindset.
The problem with a mindset is that it is set! It makes a robot out of you: a human being living on planet earth. It would be great if life were perfect and utopian. As is, life is a mess. Jane Fonda has just announced that she has cancer but it is great for her - she said - because she has good health insurance and has access to good doctors. She said good health insurance is important for everyone. I think everyone should also have $200 million which is Jane's net worth. Most Americans have zilch.
In my opinion, spirituality must free us from the mess of a world we are caught in. Our auto-pilot mindsets is created by science (rational thought). Spirituality has to enable us to go manual to fix the mess.
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Post by andrew on Sept 4, 2022 12:47:18 GMT -5
I appreciate that distinction, in my words, I would say that 'facts' are associated with, or belong within, a particular context, not all contexts are necessarily associated with facts. I also understand the bolded. If 'boatman' isn't the equivalent of 'ego', then I'm not much wiser on what a boatman is. Is it best if I read the Chuangtze story to find out? Hey, mine is a western mind too. But that doesn't mean that I am locked into that mindset and can never switch off its auto-pilot mode. I don't want to get rid of it even if there is a way. Whatever for? I quite prefer it to the Chinese mindset or Gopal's India mindset.
The problem with a mindset is that it is set! It makes a robot out of you: a human being living on planet earth. It would be great if life were perfect and utopian. As is, life is a mess. Jane Fonda has just announced that she has cancer but it is great for her - she said - because she has good health insurance and has access to good doctors. She said good health insurance is important for everyone. I think everyone should also have $200 million which is Jane's net worth. Most Americans have zilch. In my opinion, spirituality must free us from the mess of a world we are caught in. Our auto-pilot mindsets is created by science (rational thought). Spirituality has to enable us to go manual to fix the mess.
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment of the bolded, are you suggesting a more intuitive approach to life then? I guess other more pro-science folks here might say that modern science is far more messy than classic science, but I still get your point. Thinking it a little more, it seems a shame to waste our human intellectual capacity, so perhaps science still has its place, but ideally if folks are rooted in intuition first....what do you think?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 4, 2022 13:32:11 GMT -5
I appreciate that distinction, in my words, I would say that 'facts' are associated with, or belong within, a particular context, not all contexts are necessarily associated with facts. I also understand the bolded. If 'boatman' isn't the equivalent of 'ego', then I'm not much wiser on what a boatman is. Is it best if I read the Chuangtze story to find out? Hey, mine is a western mind too. But that doesn't mean that I am locked into that mindset and can never switch off its auto-pilot mode. I don't want to get rid of it even if there is a way. Whatever for? I quite prefer it to the Chinese mindset or Gopal's India mindset.
The problem with a mindset is that it is set! It makes a robot out of you: a human being living on planet earth. It would be great if life were perfect and utopian. As is, life is a mess. Jane Fonda has just announced that she has cancer but it is great for her - she said - because she has good health insurance and has access to good doctors. She said good health insurance is important for everyone. I think everyone should also have $200 million which is Jane's net worth. Most Americans have zilch. In my opinion, spirituality must free us from the mess of a world we are caught in. Our auto-pilot mindsets is created by science (rational thought). Spirituality has to enable us to go manual to fix the mess.
Spirituality doesn't try to fix the world. Tao Te Ching: 29. Ambition Those who wish to change the world According with their desire Cannot succeed. The world is shaped by the Way; It cannot be shaped by the self. Trying to change it, you damage it; Trying to possess it, you lose it. So some will lead, while others follow. Some will be warm, others cold Some will be strong, others weak. Some will get where they are going While others fall by the side of the road. So the sage will be neither wasteful nor violent. 30. Violence Powerful men are well advised not to use violence, For violence has a habit of returning; Thorns and weeds grow wherever an army goes, And lean years follow a great war. A general is well advised To achieve nothing more than his orders: Not to take advantage of his victory. Nor to glory, boast or pride himself; To do what is dictated by necessity, But not by choice. For even the strongest force will weaken with time, And then its violence will return, and kill it. 16. Decay and Renewal Empty the self completely; Embrace perfect peace. The world will rise and move; Watch it return to rest. All the flourishing things Will return to their source. This return is peaceful; It is the flow of nature, An eternal decay and renewal. Accepting this brings enlightenment, Ignoring this brings misery. Who accepts nature's flow becomes all-cherishing; Being all-cherishing he becomes impartial; Being impartial he becomes magnanimous; Being magnanimous he becomes natural; Being natural he becomes one with the Way; Being one with the Way he becomes immortal: Though his body will decay, the Way will not. The GNL Tao De Ching. Copyright (C) 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Peter A. Merel. Caveat This document attempts to draw the texts of several popular English translations of Lao Tse into a consistent and accessible context. It is based on the translations of Robert G. Henricks, Lin Yutang, D.C. Lau, Ch'u Ta-Kao, Gia-Fu Feng & Jane English, Richard Wilhelm and Aleister Crowley. This work is not a translation, but an interpolation. It does not represent the original text; the original, if there was an original, has been jumbled, mistranscribed and reinterpreted many times over many thousands of years, and is here cast into a language that is incapable of presenting its poetic structure and philological connections. Even an original text, translated as faithfully as possible, might remain inaccessible to the modern reader unable to place it within its original context. The intention of this work is to construct a document that closely corresponds with the best modern translations of Lao Tse, but which is blunt, easy and useful to read within a modern context.
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Post by sree on Sept 4, 2022 13:47:38 GMT -5
Hey, mine is a western mind too. But that doesn't mean that I am locked into that mindset and can never switch off its auto-pilot mode. I don't want to get rid of it even if there is a way. Whatever for? I quite prefer it to the Chinese mindset or Gopal's India mindset.
The problem with a mindset is that it is set! It makes a robot out of you: a human being living on planet earth. It would be great if life were perfect and utopian. As is, life is a mess. Jane Fonda has just announced that she has cancer but it is great for her - she said - because she has good health insurance and has access to good doctors. She said good health insurance is important for everyone. I think everyone should also have $200 million which is Jane's net worth. Most Americans have zilch. In my opinion, spirituality must free us from the mess of a world we are caught in. Our auto-pilot mindsets is created by science (rational thought). Spirituality has to enable us to go manual to fix the mess.
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment of the bolded, are you suggesting a more intuitive approach to life then? I guess other more pro-science folks here might say that modern science is far more messy than classic science, but I still get your point. Thinking it a little more, it seems a shame to waste our human intellectual capacity, so perhaps science still has its place, but ideally if folks are rooted in intuition first....what do you think? Of course, science does have its place but as our tool and not the other way round. This comes back to the question about what we are. Are we human beings living on planet earth? Science (i.e. our auto-mindset) says we are. Some guy here said that we are more than what science says. Was he on auto-pilot when he uttered that? If he was, then what he said has no value.
Are we on auto-pilot right now as we speak? I am not. I don't know where you are speaking from and it doesn't matter because earth has no place in this conversation. It does not exist. You are just a voice in my head when I read your posts.
Isn't it great that we have found a technological way (internet) to become one movement of thought? Imagine a coming together - every one of us as manifestations of formless energy guided by intelligence - working together to fulfill not just all our bodily needs but satisfy our desires living in a beautiful natural paradise.
It all begins with a dream.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 4, 2022 13:50:23 GMT -5
No, not a request. Just an observation. Just pointing out how easy it could be if you'd only be serious. People sometimes confuse spirituality with psychology. And there are indeed some overlaps, but IMO spirituality starts where psychology ends. And when people are still hung up on personal psychological issues, it can be difficult to make that transition. But you're not the only one here who is stuck in an endless loop. I guess this just can't be helped. It's probably part of an internal clearing process for many. In that sense, forums can be helpful, if there is sincerity. If there isn't, these forums usually only perpetuate or even speed up the endless self-referential loop. I appreciate the clarification. You have no idea how much I have reaped in my short time here. I used the analogy of playing in a tennis match when I debate with members here. We all have different styles of play. Getting mad with an opponent is telling, isn't it? Especially, when we are dealing with anger issues.
I realize that my style of play is abnormal. While folks here are focused on argumentation and cleverness in debate, I pay attention to the evidence of the devil's presence in us. You may call it psychology but I view it as a lot more sinister. I won't bore you with my perceptions.
Please let me know if I stray too close to the fence of forum rules. I tend to push it to the limits when discourse is yielding fruit.
Tao Te Ching: 22. Home Accept and you become whole,Bend and you straighten, Empty and you fill, Decay and you renew, Want and you acquire, Fulfill and you become confused. The sage accepts the worldAs the world accepts the Way; He does not display himself, so is clearly seen, Does not justify himself, so is recognized, Does not boast, so is credited, Does not pride himself, so endures, Does not contend, so none contend against him.The ancients said, "Accept and you become whole", Once whole, the world is as your home.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 4, 2022 13:55:37 GMT -5
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with the sentiment of the bolded, are you suggesting a more intuitive approach to life then? I guess other more pro-science folks here might say that modern science is far more messy than classic science, but I still get your point. Thinking it a little more, it seems a shame to waste our human intellectual capacity, so perhaps science still has its place, but ideally if folks are rooted in intuition first....what do you think? Of course, science does have its place but as our tool and not the other way round. This comes back to the question about what we are. Are we human beings living on planet earth? Science (i.e. our auto-mindset) says we are. Some guy here said that we are more than what science says. Was he on auto-pilot when he uttered that? If he was, then what he said has no value.
Are we on auto-pilot right now as we speak? I am not. I don't know where you are speaking from and it doesn't matter because earth has no place in this conversation. It does not exist. You are just a voice in my head when I read your posts.
Isn't it great that we have found a technological way (internet) to become one movement of thought? Imagine a coming together - every one of us as manifestations of formless energy guided by intelligence - working together to fulfill not just all our bodily needs but satisfy our desires living in a beautiful natural paradise.
It all begins with a dream.
Tao Te Ching: 22. Home Accept and you become whole, Bend and you straighten, Empty and you fill, Decay and you renew, Want and you acquire, Fulfill and you become confused. The sage accepts the worldAs the world accepts the Way; He does not display himself, so is clearly seen, Does not justify himself, so is recognized, Does not boast, so is credited, Does not pride himself, so endures, Does not contend, so none contend against him. The ancients said, "Accept and you become whole", Once whole, the world is as your home.
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