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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 9:19:21 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense to me. And that's what leads to the endless mind spin, because what you, gopal, sree and the 'pilgrim are really interested in, doesn't and can never make sense. What do you think I am really interested in, Laffy? I have not gone that far in sharing my interest. I am eager to do so but I am so far left field in this Block Universe where you guys dwell.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 9:41:15 GMT -5
There is one Consciousness which is looking at many perception simultaneously, each perceiving view point is each individual, one such view point is I, another such view point is you . Speak for yourself I am not a viewpoint. I am Consciousness. Yes, Conciousness looking through a window and thereby having a viewpoint. The viewpoint - having lost connection to Consciousness - becomes the boatman. Viewpoints are boatmen here in the Block Universe.
edit: I have made revision to this post interchanging viewpoint with boatman.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 9:54:22 GMT -5
I am not debating the fact that each individual has a viewpoint. This doesn't mean that two windows cannot be showing the same viewpoint. How the hell can 1000 engineers cooperate to build a rocket to send a man to the moon if no two windows see the same view?
Here again, there is this belief that the spiritual viewpoint is unique and personal. I must reject this as unreasonable. It creates a special class of human beings who have access to clarity. In the west, it is the elites separate from the masses; in India, it breeds the caste system. Intellect will never make sense of it. There is only THIS, and yet, every individual is entirely unique. No two pairs of eyes ever see exactly the same Moon at the same time. It is only the intellectual process of trying to make sense of it that creates any sort of contradiction between the two, even if you invoke suffering. Quite right. No two pairs of eyes can see into your mouth to examine your teeth also unless one pair is from another human body. This was what occurred to me when I had my teeth cleaned at the dentist's. Jennifer, my hygienist, was another me checking my teeth out. As her, a woman, I had a better body and temperament. God is great.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 10:11:42 GMT -5
Yes, I get that. But the separation is the problem. Selfishness - to each is own - is causing wars and suffering. Is Gopal justifying a fractious human existence as inevitable? Everything we do is for selfish reasons. How about the altruistic gesture of giving money to a beggar? Is that not selfish? Well it is. It's makes you feel good. You're doing it for your own self. Quite right. This is why I never give money to a beggar even though I know he is another me. I am not divided. I am humanity, and live with the pain of a divided world. I am not the same "divided self" as that theorized by Dr. J D Laing. The good doctor sees two self-identities within one person. He is compounding the madness you are inflicted with.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 10:23:32 GMT -5
I am not debating the fact that each individual has a viewpoint. This doesn't mean that two windows cannot be showing the same viewpoint. How the hell can 1000 engineers cooperate to build a rocket to send a man to the moon if no two windows see the same view?
Here again, there is this belief that the spiritual viewpoint is unique and personal. I must reject this as unreasonable. It creates a special class of human beings who have access to clarity. In the west, it is the elites separate from the masses; in India, it breeds the caste system. There is some commonality but each one of those 1000 engineers does not have exactly the same view of the rocket. 100 of them are looking at their own computer screens another 20 are examining the engine 5 more are currently looking at the nose cone. You get the idea. And they don't all have the same wife.They are all the same guy sleeping with different women.
Each engineer is the Infinite looking through a window. The view through that window may be different from that of another. Each window is the view itself. As the window pans the rocket, the view changes from base of the rocket to its tip 300 feet up. You are not the goddam window. Your are the view itself! The chief engineer is in the control room looking at a whole wall of TV screens displaying views of the rocket. The Infinite is building the rocket, not the non-existent "windows".
Man, you guys are really dense.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 10:39:46 GMT -5
I am not debating the fact that each individual has a viewpoint. This doesn't mean that two windows cannot be showing the same viewpoint. How the hell can 1000 engineers cooperate to build a rocket to send a man to the moon if no two windows see the same view?
Here again, there is this belief that the spiritual viewpoint is unique and personal. I must reject this as unreasonable. It creates a special class of human beings who have access to clarity. In the west, it is the elites separate from the masses; in India, it breeds the caste system. Individual is not having any view point. Individual IS the viewpoint.Correct.
Individual (A) is the viewpoint (B). A=B
If they are equal, why not use the same notation?
Therefore, A = A.
In other words, there are no individuals. There are only viewpoints.
Can we proceed further and faster with this lesson, Professor Gopal? I know you have been trying to teach duds here. I wish you would lay out your entire theory and let me check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 12:14:07 GMT -5
Individual is not having any view point. Individual IS the viewpoint.Correct.
Individual (A) is the viewpoint (B). A=B
If they are equal, why not use the same notation?
Therefore, A = A.
In other words, there are no individuals. There are only viewpoints.
Can we proceed further and faster with this lesson, Professor Gopal? I know you have been trying to teach duds here. I wish you would lay out your entire theory and let me check it out.
We are naming view point of Consciousness as Individual.
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Post by tenka on Aug 21, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -5
Individual is not having any view point. Individual IS the viewpoint.Correct.
Individual (A) is the viewpoint (B). A=B
If they are equal, why not use the same notation?
Therefore, A = A.
In other words, there are no individuals. There are only viewpoints.
Can we proceed further and faster with this lesson, Professor Gopal? I know you have been trying to teach duds here. I wish you would lay out your entire theory and let me check it out.
Why can't there be individuals? and again, it's no point peeps speaking about consciousness in the way that they have cos I have a thread 100's of pages long and no one knows what it is still lol .
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 21, 2022 13:42:16 GMT -5
Everything we do is for selfish reasons. How about the altruistic gesture of giving money to a beggar? Is that not selfish? Well it is. It's makes you feel good. You're doing it for your own self. Quite right. This is why I never give money to a beggar even though I know he is another me. I am not divided. I am humanity, and live with the pain of a divided world. I am not the same "divided self" as that theorized by Dr. J D Laing. The good doctor sees two self-identities within one person. He is compounding the madness you are inflicted with.
RD Laing. Smart guy.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 13:43:21 GMT -5
Correct.
Individual (A) is the viewpoint (B). A=B
If they are equal, why not use the same notation?
Therefore, A = A.
In other words, there are no individuals. There are only viewpoints.
Can we proceed further and faster with this lesson, Professor Gopal? I know you have been trying to teach duds here. I wish you would lay out your entire theory and let me check it out.
Why can't there be individuals? What are individuals, tenka? Take "America", for instance. It is a national entity just as an individual is an personal entity. Illusion.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 13:44:11 GMT -5
Quite right. This is why I never give money to a beggar even though I know he is another me. I am not divided. I am humanity, and live with the pain of a divided world. I am not the same "divided self" as that theorized by Dr. J D Laing. The good doctor sees two self-identities within one person. He is compounding the madness you are inflicted with.
RD Laing. Smart guy. Yes, quite smart. Erving Goffman also.
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Post by tenka on Aug 21, 2022 13:45:13 GMT -5
Why can't there be individuals? What are individuals, tenka? Take "America", for instance. It is a national entity just as an individual is an personal entity. Illusion. Individuals are what you are individualised . No illusion here .
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 13:46:14 GMT -5
I don't think Gopal is well read. Definitely, not like us Americans.
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Post by sree on Aug 21, 2022 13:46:56 GMT -5
What are individuals, tenka? Take "America", for instance. It is a national entity just as an individual is an personal entity. Illusion. Individuals are what you are individualised . No illusion here . What do you mean by individualized?
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Post by tenka on Aug 21, 2022 13:47:34 GMT -5
I suppose it was worth a try asking Thinking of Mr T when he say's you fool sucker
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