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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2022 13:25:16 GMT -5
I recently ran over a dead snake on the road that looked like a rope. Yes, exactly. There is a story about Paul in the NT, he had bad eyesight. He was once-bitten by a poisonous snake while stacking wood, or unstacking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 15:10:42 GMT -5
Um, bleed, whine, maybe die, who knows. Would you suck the venom out? Are you insane? You want me to suck on an illusion? It's just the play of a shadow! hehe, this strikes me as a losing position if confronted with fangs. think I'd want someone less obtuse as a hiking partner, just in case..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 15:14:40 GMT -5
I recently ran over a dead snake on the road that looked like a rope. I recently ran over over a piece of shredded tire remnant. That's what it looked like from a distance, and sure enough that's what it was.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 19:12:46 GMT -5
Is the thought/belief-based structure of SDP consciousness happening in Consciousness? Then, if the structure of SDP collapsed, what would be the expression used? You know the Russian Dolls? Matryoshka dolls, nesting dolls. Consciousness is the Biggest doll. The tiniest doll, inside, inside, inside, inside, inside, inside-sd-p. sd-p is in the manifest world. First six worlds are unmanifest. sd-p is a seed, kernel and shell. Shell-p comes-from the manifest world. sd-kernel-essence comes-from the unmanifest world. sdp is inner kernel essence and outer shell. This is the Cosmology in a nutshell, and the anthropology. We had a Walnut tree in the yard when I was a kid. We had only-an-outhouse until I was five, tin roof. If you've only ever seen walnuts in the store, you don't know how they start out. When they fell off tree, the outer-outer hull was hard and green-green. Daddy would put on the outhouse roof to dry. The outer hull would turn black. Then ready to remove. But then the walnuts were still not ready to eat, still had to dry out further. If you tried to get the meat out at his point, very difficult, they are too-much-as-one. But eventually the walnut dries out enough to separate the kernel from the shell, and it still takes a hammer (that's just info, not part of analogy). So you can break the shell, get out relatively easy the kernel. The shell is the ego/personality/small s self/cultural self, the false self, the acquired self. The kernel is one's essence, one's true self. That's why the distinction, sd-p, we are in a very real sense, 2. So yes, in a sense, consciousness is happening in Consciousness, but this is why I said in the first post, complicated. You couldn't have in any sense whatsoever, the tiniest Matryoshka doll (sdp) without the Biggest doll. So sd is essence, p is the acquired self. The acquired self is added-on-stuff, thoughts, feelings/emotions, learned-bodily-actions. After about age six, this is how we mostly function. (We start out functioning, as a baby, through awareness and attention, and the body). We mostly function through thoughts, feelings/emotions and learned bodily actions. Essence becomes passive, acquired self becomes active. Essence would be the next outer doll, the next-bigger doll, a minimum. The Biggest doll contains all the others. And ultimately, the Biggest doll permeates all the dolls. This gets us to your question. The very purpose of the interior practices of the work, is to collapse the self-that-is-the-acquired-contents, that is, p, that is, the false sense of self. But the stardust remains. Now this takes us to my partial answer previously. This process is called making personality passive, making essence active. During the process essence begins to grow, again. Now, really, depending upon how fierce a warrior one is, this process can be relatively short, when the "walnut" is still green , or very long, and the kernel and shell are dried out, almost already separate anyway. Concerning the second, when the structure of the false self collapses, essence is in a very real sense 'ready to take over'. Concerning the first, I was warned very early, there is a period where one is unable to function. IOW, it can be ~very messy~. One thing to add, for a little context, we say "essence comes from the stars". That means from a higher order of What Is. (From ~a bigger doll~). Now, of course all of that or most of that is a conceptual map, for you, that is, a map, period, or just merely nonsense. But all of it is not a conceptual map for me. And yes, you could say a big part of the map is a belief. But sdp has pragmatically-existentially experienced enough so as to know not to burn the map. So it, some, is not even in an ordinary sense a belief. Some is a working theory and a way working hypothesis. I haven't fallen off the edge of the world, yet. We have another thing in common. At one of the farms, we only had an outhouse also, and that was where we had most of the cattle, hayfields, and corn/milo. The homestead had 99 pecan trees which occupied a lot of my work time in the summer when at that place. With 5 different types of pecans, it was a job to deal with pests, drought, and harvest later in the year. I truly get the darkening of the skins dealio, as well as the general concepts of matryoshka dolls. So, within Consciousness, the idea there is an 'essence' to nurture whilst making the personality more passive after realization. I can get understand that to a certain extent, and it would seem to come naturally to some degree, but I sense you're saying there's a particular way to make it more conducive to proper function. Does that sound about right? So, you're having stated it your idea as such does not necessarily fall into that categorical burning we sometimes joke about; and even then, it wouldn't matter. Most people read a variety of stuff in trying to get their heads around it the desired goal (that it can't) When it burns itself out, it burns itself out. If you are content with what you have realized, and now want to focus on building essence, then maybe that's what we're doing here. You do not seem to think it is any impersonal sense of Intelligence that might be brought into greater degrees of clarity, but somethng more aligned with the individuation. I do not know how such a thing would sought unless it was imagined at something specific first. Wouldn't you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 19:42:56 GMT -5
I recently ran over a dead snake on the road that looked like a rope. I recently ran over over a piece of shredded tire remnant. That's what it looked like from a distance, and sure enough that's what it was. 😃😃
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2022 20:04:37 GMT -5
You know the Russian Dolls? Matryoshka dolls, nesting dolls. Consciousness is the Biggest doll. The tiniest doll, inside, inside, inside, inside, inside, inside-sd-p. sd-p is in the manifest world. First six worlds are unmanifest. sd-p is a seed, kernel and shell. Shell-p comes-from the manifest world. sd-kernel-essence comes-from the unmanifest world. sdp is inner kernel essence and outer shell. This is the Cosmology in a nutshell, and the anthropology. We had a Walnut tree in the yard when I was a kid. We had only-an-outhouse until I was five, tin roof. If you've only ever seen walnuts in the store, you don't know how they start out. When they fell off tree, the outer-outer hull was hard and green-green. Daddy would put on the outhouse roof to dry. The outer hull would turn black. Then ready to remove. But then the walnuts were still not ready to eat, still had to dry out further. If you tried to get the meat out at his point, very difficult, they are too-much-as-one. But eventually the walnut dries out enough to separate the kernel from the shell, and it still takes a hammer (that's just info, not part of analogy). So you can break the shell, get out relatively easy the kernel. The shell is the ego/personality/small s self/cultural self, the false self, the acquired self. The kernel is one's essence, one's true self. That's why the distinction, sd-p, we are in a very real sense, 2. So yes, in a sense, consciousness is happening in Consciousness, but this is why I said in the first post, complicated. You couldn't have in any sense whatsoever, the tiniest Matryoshka doll (sdp) without the Biggest doll. So sd is essence, p is the acquired self. The acquired self is added-on-stuff, thoughts, feelings/emotions, learned-bodily-actions. After about age six, this is how we mostly function. (We start out functioning, as a baby, through awareness and attention, and the body). We mostly function through thoughts, feelings/emotions and learned bodily actions. Essence becomes passive, acquired self becomes active. Essence would be the next outer doll, the next-bigger doll, a minimum. The Biggest doll contains all the others. And ultimately, the Biggest doll permeates all the dolls. This gets us to your question. The very purpose of the interior practices of the work, is to collapse the self-that-is-the-acquired-contents, that is, p, that is, the false sense of self. But the stardust remains. Now this takes us to my partial answer previously. This process is called making personality passive, making essence active. During the process essence begins to grow, again. Now, really, depending upon how fierce a warrior one is, this process can be relatively short, when the "walnut" is still green , or very long, and the kernel and shell are dried out, almost already separate anyway. Concerning the second, when the structure of the false self collapses, essence is in a very real sense 'ready to take over'. Concerning the first, I was warned very early, there is a period where one is unable to function. IOW, it can be ~very messy~. One thing to add, for a little context, we say "essence comes from the stars". That means from a higher order of What Is. (From ~a bigger doll~). Now, of course all of that or most of that is a conceptual map, for you, that is, a map, period, or just merely nonsense. But all of it is not a conceptual map for me. And yes, you could say a big part of the map is a belief. But sdp has pragmatically-existentially experienced enough so as to know not to burn the map. So it, some, is not even in an ordinary sense a belief. Some is a working theory and a way working hypothesis. I haven't fallen off the edge of the world, yet. We have another thing in common. At one of the farms, we only had an outhouse also, and that was where we had most of the cattle, hayfields, and corn/milo. The homestead had 99 pecan trees which occupied a lot of my work time in the summer when at that place. With 5 different types of pecans, it was a job to deal with pests, drought, and harvest later in the year. I truly get the darkening of the skins dealio, as well as the general concepts of matryoshka dolls. So, within Consciousness, the idea there is an 'essence' to nurture whilst making the personality more passive after realization. I can get understand that to a certain extent, and it would seem to come naturally to some degree, but I sense you're saying there's a particular way to make it more conducive to proper function. Does that sound about right? So, you're having stated it your idea as such does not necessarily fall into that categorical burning we sometimes joke about; and even then, it wouldn't matter. Most people read a variety of stuff in trying to get their heads around it the desired goal (that it can't) When it burns itself out, it burns itself out. If you are content with what you have realized, and now want to focus on building essence, then maybe that's what we're doing here. You do not seem to think it is any impersonal sense of Intelligence that might be brought into greater degrees of clarity, but somethng more aligned with the individuation. I do not know how such a thing would sought unless it was imagined at something specific first. Wouldn't you agree? sdp liked (almost) until the last 2 sentences. So getting to this. I was on my search, basically for 7 years. Look, move on, look, move on. As said J Krishnamurti was important. Haven't said before. I realized later I had come across Gurdjieff several times for at least a year. I had even browsed Beelzebub's Tales, remembered later. One think stuck in my mind forever, advice his Grandmother gave him when he was about ten, just before she died, basically her deathbed advice: "In life, never do as others do". I even started to practice it. But BT's is a Monster of a book, so I didn't pursue it. There were 2 chapters in a book I bought, Powers of Mind by Adam Smith. But nothing stuck. There was another title I browsed (only): Is There Life On Earth? So it's quite possible nothing would have stuck, even if I had read In Search of the Miraculous early. Except, for finding my Teacher. (Already written about somewhat). Within 3-4 weeks of meetings and knowing him, I knew he was a Teacher and knew he was my Teacher. (He never ever, ever claimed to be a Teacher). So he was my Model, Mentor, Teacher. But yes, a pretty good synopsis down to the blue last 2 sentences. Yes, there is a ~Field~ of Intelligence, but we don't, as we are, have what's needed to * tune into it*. Yes, it is a kind of Impersonal Intelligence. So yes, in a certain sense I had to imagine to begin with. But as a theoretical possibility, from the map, but also from my living Map, my Teacher. So very early, I had a kind of second-hand validation, from my Teacher. It's too personal to-go-into, but very early I knew he was the real deal. And from day one (well, from second meeting), he gave me the tools to validate personally. But getting down to the essentials, nothing is important apart from directly working with attention and awareness. Nothing. The books, the ideas, are nothing without the interior practices. But maturing essence is what can tune into the Intelligent Field, can hear. (The Intelligent Field does not speak English, or any abstract language).
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 25, 2022 20:48:50 GMT -5
We have another thing in common. At one of the farms, we only had an outhouse also, and that was where we had most of the cattle, hayfields, and corn/milo. The homestead had 99 pecan trees which occupied a lot of my work time in the summer when at that place. With 5 different types of pecans, it was a job to deal with pests, drought, and harvest later in the year. I truly get the darkening of the skins dealio, as well as the general concepts of matryoshka dolls. So, within Consciousness, the idea there is an 'essence' to nurture whilst making the personality more passive after realization. I can get understand that to a certain extent, and it would seem to come naturally to some degree, but I sense you're saying there's a particular way to make it more conducive to proper function. Does that sound about right? So, you're having stated it your idea as such does not necessarily fall into that categorical burning we sometimes joke about; and even then, it wouldn't matter. Most people read a variety of stuff in trying to get their heads around it the desired goal (that it can't) When it burns itself out, it burns itself out. If you are content with what you have realized, and now want to focus on building essence, then maybe that's what we're doing here. You do not seem to think it is any impersonal sense of Intelligence that might be brought into greater degrees of clarity, but somethng more aligned with the individuation. I do not know how such a thing would sought unless it was imagined at something specific first. Wouldn't you agree? sdp liked (almost) until the last 2 sentences. So getting to this. I was on my search, basically for 7 years. Look, move on, look, move on. As said J Krishnamurti was important. Haven't said before. I realized later I had come across Gurdjieff several times for at least a year. I had even browsed Beelzebub's Tales, remembered later. One think stuck in my mind forever, advice his Grandmother gave him when he was about ten, just before she died, basically her deathbed advice: "In life, never do as others do". I even started to practice it. But BT's is a Monster of a book, so I didn't pursue it. There were 2 chapters in a book I bought, Powers of Mind by Adam Smith. But nothing stuck. There was another title I browsed (only): Is There Life On Earth? So it's quite possible nothing would have stuck, even if I had read In Search of the Miraculous early. Except, for finding my Teacher. (Already written about somewhat). Within 3-4 weeks of meetings and knowing him, I knew he was a Teacher and knew he was my Teacher. (He never ever, ever claimed to be a Teacher). So he was my Model, Mentor, Teacher. But yes, a pretty good synopsis down to the blue last 2 sentences. Yes, there is a ~Field~ of Intelligence, but we don't, as we are, have what's needed to * tune into it*. Yes, it is a kind of Impersonal Intelligence. So yes, in a certain sense I had to imagine to begin with. But as a theoretical possibility, from the map, but also from my living Map, my Teacher. So very early, I had a kind of second-hand validation, from my Teacher. It's too personal to-go-into, but very early I knew he was the real deal. And from day one (well, from second meeting), he gave me the tools to validate personally. But getting down to the essentials, nothing is important apart from directly working with attention and awareness. Nothing. The books, the ideas, are nothing without the interior practices. But maturing essence is what can tune into the Intelligent Field, can hear. (The Intelligent Field does not speak English, or any abstract language). What's to say you're not already tuned into the 'Intelligent Field', and it's just an idea that you're NOT that you're also imagining? Would that not be it's imagined opposite? Such ideas tend to run in pairs is all I'm saying, and it may be that you simply just don't know already, prior to any such imaginings. HERE. NOW. WHOLE.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 25, 2022 21:37:54 GMT -5
sdp liked (almost) until the last 2 sentences. So getting to this. I was on my search, basically for 7 years. Look, move on, look, move on. As said J Krishnamurti was important. Haven't said before. I realized later I had come across Gurdjieff several times for at least a year. I had even browsed Beelzebub's Tales, remembered later. One think stuck in my mind forever, advice his Grandmother gave him when he was about ten, just before she died, basically her deathbed advice: "In life, never do as others do". I even started to practice it. But BT's is a Monster of a book, so I didn't pursue it. There were 2 chapters in a book I bought, Powers of Mind by Adam Smith. But nothing stuck. There was another title I browsed (only): Is There Life On Earth? So it's quite possible nothing would have stuck, even if I had read In Search of the Miraculous early. Except, for finding my Teacher. (Already written about somewhat). Within 3-4 weeks of meetings and knowing him, I knew he was a Teacher and knew he was my Teacher. (He never ever, ever claimed to be a Teacher). So he was my Model, Mentor, Teacher. But yes, a pretty good synopsis down to the blue last 2 sentences. Yes, there is a ~Field~ of Intelligence, but we don't, as we are, have what's needed to * tune into it*. Yes, it is a kind of Impersonal Intelligence. So yes, in a certain sense I had to imagine to begin with. But as a theoretical possibility, from the map, but also from my living Map, my Teacher. So very early, I had a kind of second-hand validation, from my Teacher. It's too personal to-go-into, but very early I knew he was the real deal. And from day one (well, from second meeting), he gave me the tools to validate personally. But getting down to the essentials, nothing is important apart from directly working with attention and awareness. Nothing. The books, the ideas, are nothing without the interior practices. But maturing essence is what can tune into the Intelligent Field, can hear. (The Intelligent Field does not speak English, or any abstract language). What's to say you're not already tuned into the 'Intelligent Field', and it's just an idea that you're NOT that you're also imagining? Would that not be it's imagined opposite? Such ideas tend to run in pairs is all I'm saying, and it may be that you simply just don't know already, prior to any such imaginings. HERE. NOW. WHOLE. I'm bumping up near against my personal "rule" I don't talk about personal experiences. I know what's possible. I know sdp does not match the possibilities. I gnosis directly the possibilities. I know what NOW HERE WHOLE means from my perspective. I also know it's not precisely what you mean. Do I judge you from my perspective? Yes, of course. Do you judge me from your perspective? Of course you do. I can't help that, any of that. I'm not here to argue for or against, anything, just to dialogue. If people ask questions, I answer the best I can. Do people sometimes try to ~flip the switch~ into Self Realization? Sure, it's not a problem for me. Do I ask questions? Sure. But almost all words used here have a different meaning for me. Can sdp put himself in your position? (You and your is generic, too, also for anyone reading). To a certain extent, probably I can view you better than you can see my view. Of course you think the same. I can't help that. I'm sure zd gave up on sdp flipping into SR. I can only be True to how I see the universe structured, and what ~my~ place is in it. I think the words run out, there, for now anyway. But there are a few here I can tell are very close "cousins".
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Post by shadowplay on Jul 26, 2022 1:13:18 GMT -5
What snake? Wake up… it’s a rope! Not always. Actually, always, SDP. That’s just the logical structure of the analogy. There never was a snake - it’s a perceptual error.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 26, 2022 5:40:17 GMT -5
Actually, always, SDP. That’s just the logical structure of the analogy. There never was a snake - it’s a perceptual error. I understand the analogy. But, did you not read my story of reaching for a cotton glove, it turned out not-to-be a cotton glove, it was a snake. That's all I meant.
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Post by ouroboros on Jul 26, 2022 5:57:30 GMT -5
Highlights of an ND Brown Bear attack!! Place your bets!! 🤣 Silly bear. Still, on the bright side, if it can't recognise its own reflection in the mirror it can't suffer, right.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jul 26, 2022 6:16:55 GMT -5
What's to say you're not already tuned into the 'Intelligent Field', and it's just an idea that you're NOT that you're also imagining? Would that not be it's imagined opposite? Such ideas tend to run in pairs is all I'm saying, and it may be that you simply just don't know already, prior to any such imaginings. HERE. NOW. WHOLE. I'm bumping up near against my personal "rule" I don't talk about personal experiences. I know what's possible. I know sdp does not match the possibilities. I gnosis directly the possibilities. I know what NOW HERE WHOLE means from my perspective. I also know it's not precisely what you mean. Do I judge you from my perspective? Yes, of course. Do you judge me from your perspective? Of course you do. I can't help that, any of that. I'm not here to argue for or against, anything, just to dialogue. If people ask questions, I answer the best I can. Do people sometimes try to ~flip the switch~ into Self Realization? Sure, it's not a problem for me. Do I ask questions? Sure. But almost all words used here have a different meaning for me. Can sdp put himself in your position? (You and your is generic, too, also for anyone reading). To a certain extent, probably I can view you better than you can see my view. Of course you think the same. I can't help that. I'm sure zd gave up on sdp flipping into SR. I can only be True to how I see the universe structured, and what ~my~ place is in it. I think the words run out, there, for now anyway. But there are a few here I can tell are very close "cousins". No judgment here, mate. Stop giving a sh!t what you think others think about what you think. It's an endless loop in the mind until you cut it. The mind is the iceberg floating in the ocean/what you are, giving rise to the myriad things. That's the good news of the bad news; all the icebergs are melting back into the ocean from whence they came. It could get hotter. Fear not.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 27, 2022 18:25:26 GMT -5
I guess Gopal deleted his account and left. Does anybody know why? Reefs?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 18:56:55 GMT -5
I guess Gopal deleted his account and left. Does anybody know why? Reefs? He said on the Gab that he didn't like how Figs was being talked about (I think.. I asked explicitly but I don't think he replied, or hadn't, last I saw)
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 27, 2022 19:50:23 GMT -5
I guess Gopal deleted his account and left. Does anybody know why? Reefs? He said on the Gab that he didn't like how Figs was being talked about (I think.. I asked explicitly but I don't think he replied) OK, thanks, sdp is speechless...... I think maybe laughter needs to keep an eye out. He may have pre-plans to come back incognito. A Gopal-challenge...
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