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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 18, 2021 11:33:28 GMT -5
Thirty plus years ago I realized there are innumerable ways to store and transfer information. Right now I'm hitting certain keys on a keyboard which are lettered and correspond to processing in the computer. (Aside, an interesting question is why the keys are placed in such a seemingly haphazard manner. It goes back to the invention of the typewriter, if you don't know, it's somewhat interesting. It's to avoid "traffic jams"). Or I can write the same knowledge with pencil and paper. I can symbolize with American sign language, or braille. I can write in Chinese, or Greek. There are numerous ways to code information and data.
I had seen Max Tegmark on a few programs on the Science Channel, so decided to get his first book Our Mathematical Universe. In the video he talks about emergent phenomenon, where some phenomenon are obviously more than the sum of the parts forming it. He thinks consciousness is an emergent phenomenon, which arises out of certain patterns of 'stuff/things'. He probably right, but not in the manner he thinks. Consciousness exists first, or primarily, or only, but it takes a brain existing as a certain pattern of 'brain-stuff', to be able to tune into already-existing consciousness. Most scientists today consider the brain to be like a TV, where the programming comes from the TV itself, but of course we know the programming doesn't come from the TV, it comes from elsewhere. So that's the next step, for scientists to realize our brain is merely a receiving tuner. But I found the TED Talk interesting nonetheless. Max is a very smart guy. He may be right, consciousness is a certain pattern of some fundamental someNothing. But the brain merely exists in resonate-correspondence and tunes into something else. There must necessarily exist this pattern in the "brain" of/as the something else which can tune into the something else. This is the reason for and purpose of alchemy, to separate the fine from the coarse. This is the primary purpose of/for the human organism.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 16, 2021 5:32:30 GMT -5
"When I was a kid, everybody worked two hours per day, for two months a year - planting rice for one month and harvesting the rice for one month - the rest is free time, ten months of free time..." This sounds like something A-H would suggest!  Wasn't there a book like "The 4-Hour Workweek"...? |
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Post by inavalan on Sept 16, 2021 12:42:15 GMT -5
[] "When I was a kid, everybody worked two hours per day, for two months a year - planting rice for one month and harvesting the rice for one month - the rest is free time, ten months of free time..." This sounds like something A-H would suggest! Wasn't there a book like " The 4-Hour Workweek"...? "The+4-Hour+Workweek |
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Post by eputkonen on Sept 16, 2021 15:54:59 GMT -5
Here are three of my favorite TED Talks:
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Post by Reefs on Feb 18, 2022 12:32:17 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2022 1:29:33 GMT -5
This one is really good. I mean, really Really REALLY GOOD!
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Post by zazeniac on Sept 4, 2022 8:58:27 GMT -5
This one is really good. I mean, really Really REALLY GOOD! This is mind blowing, but I had the same paper route around 27th and Coral Way. We used to meet at this old lady's house who owned a talking minor bird. That's where we got the papers. We had to provide our own rubber bands to fold the papers with, and we bought them at Saunders. This is so crazy. He's a little bit older than me so I must have taken over his route years after. I lived on 23rd street, just a block away from Coral Way. Wow! |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 4, 2022 9:24:16 GMT -5
This one is really good. I mean, really Really REALLY GOOD! (video) This is mind blowing, but I had the same paper route around 27th and Coral Way. We used to meet at this old lady's house who owned a talking minor bird. That's where we got the papers. We had to provide our own rubber bands to fold the papers with, and we bought them at Saunders. This is so crazy. He's a little bit older than me so I must have taken over his route years after. I lived on 23rd street, just a block away from Coral Way. Wow! Oh, wow! As A-H always say, the universe has endless ways to surprise and delight you. ETA: look up his bio! en.everybodywiki.com/Jacob_Liberman |
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Post by laughter on Sept 5, 2022 6:48:53 GMT -5
This one is really good. I mean, really Really REALLY GOOD! This is mind blowing, but I had the same paper route around 27th and Coral Way. We used to meet at this old lady's house who owned a talking minor bird. That's where we got the papers. We had to provide our own rubber bands to fold the papers with, and we bought them at Saunders. This is so crazy. He's a little bit older than me so I must have taken over his route years after. I lived on 23rd street, just a block away from Coral Way. Wow! synch. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 13, 2022 20:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Oct 20, 2022 0:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Oct 20, 2022 7:57:41 GMT -5
Do you notice, how at the end, he's essentially leading the group in a "prayer"? E' had an interesting take on neuroplasticity with regard to meditation such as mindfullness. That it was the brain reflecting the change in consciousness -- ie: reversing the conventional sense of material( as in, brain chemistry)-to-mind causation.  To bring it into terms you've written about in the past, it certainly seems to me to be possible for the appearance of a volitional choice to lead to a raising of frequency of vibe, to a higher mean-level on the emotional scale. But on an individual level, the people-peep is always going to be prone to a crash, always eventually susceptible to the dualistic roller-coaster, and these higher states, depending on the individual, can be very unstable, flipping to the opposite. In a collective sense, bad times lead people to reflect, internally. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 20, 2022 23:00:13 GMT -5
Do you notice, how at the end, he's essentially leading the group in a "prayer"?E' had an interesting take on neuroplasticity with regard to meditation such as mindfullness. That it was the brain reflecting the change in consciousness -- ie: reversing the conventional sense of material( as in, brain chemistry)-to-mind causation. To bring it into terms you've written about in the past, it certainly seems to me to be possible for the appearance of a volitional choice to lead to a raising of frequency of vibe, to a higher mean-level on the emotional scale. But on an individual level, the people-peep is always going to be prone to a crash, always eventually susceptible to the dualistic roller-coaster, and these higher states, depending on the individual, can be very unstable, flipping to the opposite. In a collective sense, bad times lead people to reflect, internally.  Yes, I find the old philosophical question of what is consciousness always very amusing, especially when scientists argue with great conviction that the brain gives rise to consciousness. Which must mean that they have no clue whatsoever what consciousness actually is. And how could they, really? The best they can do is positing something like a meta-mind or a higher version of mind and call that consciousness. And that's the same logical fallacy I see in discussions about AI 'becoming' conscious (i.e. Skynet 'gaining' self-awareness). The logic seems to go like this: consciousness is a function of the mind, which is a function of the brain, which is a collection of cells, which are a collection of complex biochemical structures, which are made of atoms, which are made of particles, which are essentially just energy, which is.... ?? Well, what is the standard definition of energy anyway? This is the point where it gets interesting, where science and religion meet, because science can easily put it all down to energy and vibration, and religion to consciousness and vibration. So both would agree on the vibration part. Now, how to align the energy and consciousness part? Intellectually, that's a challenge. All it really takes though is a realization, seeing that what they call 'energy' is actually conscious. And then you've come full circle. This is the kind of science Seth proposed, he called it dream-art science, I think. We call it QM, I suppose. So what stands in the way of realizing that consciousness is at the basis of everything is probably the evolutionally mindset which would put consciousness and especially self-consciousness at the very end of a long evolutionary process. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 21, 2022 7:19:36 GMT -5
Do you notice, how at the end, he's essentially leading the group in a "prayer"?E' had an interesting take on neuroplasticity with regard to meditation such as mindfullness. That it was the brain reflecting the change in consciousness -- ie: reversing the conventional sense of material( as in, brain chemistry)-to-mind causation. To bring it into terms you've written about in the past, it certainly seems to me to be possible for the appearance of a volitional choice to lead to a raising of frequency of vibe, to a higher mean-level on the emotional scale. But on an individual level, the people-peep is always going to be prone to a crash, always eventually susceptible to the dualistic roller-coaster, and these higher states, depending on the individual, can be very unstable, flipping to the opposite. In a collective sense, bad times lead people to reflect, internally.  Yes, I find the old philosophical question of what is consciousness always very amusing, especially when scientists argue with great conviction that the brain gives rise to consciousness. Which must mean that they have no clue whatsoever what consciousness actually is. And how could they, really? The best they can do is positing something like a meta-mind or a higher version of mind and call that consciousness. And that's the same logical fallacy I see in discussions about AI 'becoming' conscious (i.e. Skynet 'gaining' self-awareness). The logic seems to go like this: consciousness is a function of the mind, which is a function of the brain, which is a collection of cells, which are a collection of complex biochemical structures, which are made of atoms, which are made of particles, which are essentially just energy, which is.... ?? Well, what is the standard definition of energy anyway? This is the point where it gets interesting, where science and religion meet, because science can easily put it all down to energy and vibration, and religion to consciousness and vibration. So both would agree on the vibration part. Now, how to align the energy and consciousness part? Intellectually, that's a challenge. All it really takes though is a realization, seeing that what they call 'energy' is actually conscious. And then you've come full circle. This is the kind of science Seth proposed, he called it dream-art science, I think. We call it QM, I suppose. So what stands in the way of realizing that consciousness is at the basis of everything is probably the evolutionally mindset which would put consciousness and especially self-consciousness at the very end of a long evolutionary process. Nice bottom lines, no doubt. I wonder if there will eventually be some figure like Einstein or a group like Bohr et al who move this ball forward or if (perhaps more fittingly) it will just eventually be some sort of collective dawning. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 21, 2022 9:40:34 GMT -5
No. Yes, I find the old philosophical question of what is consciousness always very amusing, especially when scientists argue with great conviction that the brain gives rise to consciousness. Which must mean that they have no clue whatsoever what consciousness actually is. And how could they, really? The best they can do is positing something like a meta-mind or a higher version of mind and call that consciousness. And that's the same logical fallacy I see in discussions about AI 'becoming' conscious (i.e. Skynet 'gaining' self-awareness). The logic seems to go like this: consciousness is a function of the mind, which is a function of the brain, which is a collection of cells, which are a collection of complex biochemical structures, which are made of atoms, which are made of particles, which are essentially just energy, which is.... ?? Well, what is the standard definition of energy anyway? This is the point where it gets interesting, where science and religion meet, because science can easily put it all down to energy and vibration, and religion to consciousness and vibration. So both would agree on the vibration part. Now, how to align the energy and consciousness part? Intellectually, that's a challenge. All it really takes though is a realization, seeing that what they call 'energy' is actually conscious. And then you've come full circle. This is the kind of science Seth proposed, he called it dream-art science, I think. We call it QM, I suppose. So what stands in the way of realizing that consciousness is at the basis of everything is probably the evolutionally mindset which would put consciousness and especially self-consciousness at the very end of a long evolutionary process. Nice bottom lines, no doubt. I wonder if there will eventually be some figure like Einstein or a group like Bohr et al who move this ball forward or if (perhaps more fittingly) it will just eventually be some sort of collective dawning. If you read Seth with QM in mind, it shouldn't be that difficult. In Seth's ontology, the most basic 'building blocks' are CU's (units of consciousness). ETA: Also, in that context and in the context of the breakaway civilization theory, read the Ben Rich quote again I posted a while ago here and add to that what Seth said about intergalactic travel, how this never will be a physical but instead a psychic adventure. I'm pretty sure there are people who have figured all that out already, done the math. As A-H always say, there is never a crowd on the leading edge. So I wouldn't expect any major revelations on national TV soon. But sometimes you can see hints here and there. It's a fascinating topic. |
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To bring it into terms you've written about in the past, it certainly seems to me to be possible for the appearance of a volitional choice to lead to a raising of frequency of vibe, to a higher mean-level on the emotional scale. But on an individual level, the people-peep is always going to be prone to a crash, always eventually susceptible to the dualistic roller-coaster, and these higher states, depending on the individual, can be very unstable, flipping to the opposite.