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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 0:59:54 GMT -5
You are not expecting tomorrow morning sun to rise, You KNOW tomorrow morning sun will rise. Knowing is different from expecting. Expecting something so desperately would freezes that particular future. Consciousness is creative, it starts creating what you desire from the movement the desire arises in your mind, but when you try or when you expect or when you take action, that's where the problem starts. I disagree. I don't think it is just because we give different meaning to some words. You do your way; I'll do my way.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 5, 2020 22:38:29 GMT -5
Hi there, lovey beings! I want to ask a favor of you, if you don't mind.
I am doing some research and figured marketing was probably the place to ask these questions. I just have 2 questions and I want to ask it of lightworkers, healers, intuitive readers and spiritual entrepreneurs.
Specifically, I am very interested in your response if you have tried to work with the law of attraction to manifest anything in your life.
1. What is your biggest question around manifesting or law of attraction? 2. What has been your biggest challenge or frustration around manifesting? You can just post here, or send a private message if you feel you don't want others to read your answer. I will not be using anything but the actual responses. No names or ID needed.
I want to thank you, in advance, for taking the time to respond. I do appreciate it!  Love and Peace, Erin
For both 1 and 2. There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde For both 1 and 2: IOW, how do you know that what you want is the best thing for you? Two other problems, timing and recognition. Recognizing after the fact, that what/who showed up, is what you were looking for. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 22:48:40 GMT -5
Hi there, lovey beings! I want to ask a favor of you, if you don't mind.
I am doing some research and figured marketing was probably the place to ask these questions. I just have 2 questions and I want to ask it of lightworkers, healers, intuitive readers and spiritual entrepreneurs.
Specifically, I am very interested in your response if you have tried to work with the law of attraction to manifest anything in your life.
1. What is your biggest question around manifesting or law of attraction? 2. What has been your biggest challenge or frustration around manifesting? You can just post here, or send a private message if you feel you don't want others to read your answer. I will not be using anything but the actual responses. No names or ID needed.
I want to thank you, in advance, for taking the time to respond. I do appreciate it! Love and Peace, Erin
For both 1 and 2. There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde For both 1 and 2: IOW, how do you know that what you want is the best thing for you? Two other problems, timing and recognition. Recognizing after the fact, that what/who showed up, is what you were looking for. If what you want is other than what is happening right now, then there is an illusion is in play. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Aug 6, 2020 7:39:32 GMT -5
For both 1 and 2. There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde For both 1 and 2: IOW, how do you know that what you want is the best thing for you? Two other problems, timing and recognition. Recognizing after the fact, that what/who showed up, is what you were looking for. If what you want is other than what is happening right now, then there is an illusion is in play. I don't disagree with that. But it's immeasurably complicated. I was just trying to answer the questions and not go into the complications. But in a nutshell, for most people there is no conscious deliberate use of LOA, 95%-99% of the processing is unconscious or subconscious. It's all based on resonance and vibrations, from what you are as a whole, which is mostly below one's conscious awareness. So the tiny bit of the conscious self is constantly fighting their own collective disunity. J Krishnamurti called this fragmentation. So most people are never really happy, they either want something they do not have or dislike what they do have. And they think the world is against them when it's not the world but their own disunity, within. And then when they get what they though they wanted they find out it doesn't make them any happier (this is your roller coaster). Why? Because you, Gopal, are right, happiness isn't a relationship with anything external (thinking it is is what causes the roller coaster). Real happiness is in "fixing" the internal, and when that's "fixed" then the universe mirrors what-you-now-are (which it always did anyway, always does), IOW, the internal unity is reflected in exterior occurrences. Bingo, happiness. A-H has a good model with the self you take yourself to-be as one end of the stick and one's inner-being as the other end, because I think it's not a model, it represents what actually is. Basically, the tiny self we think ourselves to-be has to relinquish control, and resonate what inner-being knows what's actually best. This is not so easy to accomplish. When it begins to be accomplished, the small s self calls it the dark night of the soul, and it is (from the small s self standpoint). But most people trying to use LOA are still going to try to use it for kid in a candy store stuff, and you will always end up with an "Oscar Wilde" tummy ache roller coaster ride. You don't get what you want, you get what you are (as a whole). If you change what you take yourself to be, to your inner being, this is reflected in your outer life. This whole process (the back and forth roller coaster ride) takes place and will always take place until one ~gets it~. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 7, 2020 22:37:19 GMT -5
If your desire is burning desire, It's more than enough to bring that thing you desire in your life. No mumbo, jumbo exercise is required. But only thing is, If you decide to take some action to achieve that or if you try negate it, it wouldn't happen. I don't fully disagree with this, but I'd argue that this would be the exception, not the norm. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 7, 2020 22:48:50 GMT -5
If your desire is burning desire, It's more than enough to bring that thing you desire in your life. No mumbo, jumbo exercise is required. But only thing is, If you decide to take some action to achieve that or if you try negate it, it wouldn't happen. In my opinion, the essential element is "expectation". You get what you expect, not what you "desire". I expect tomorrow morning the Sun to rise. I desire tomorrow morning not to rain. When you want something to happen, you have to feel like the former, not the latter. To be able to do so you need practice. Taking action isn't the issue. Correct. What you expect is essentially what you think you deserve. And that's what you will get. However, strong desire at times can override belief and expectation, as in emergency situations where people do 'impossible' things that seemingly defy 'physical laws', like a mother lifting a car to save her child that got trapped beneath it. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 7, 2020 22:54:45 GMT -5
financial well-being (4)
We want you to understand that the true path to the abundance and financial freedom that you seek is not a journey of action but instead an emotional journey. Your true power comes from the leverage of your alignment, not from your action. And while it is certain that there will be plenty of action involved, it will be good-feeling action that is inspired from your place of alignment from inside your Vortex.
Your true power and leverage comes from alignment with your intentions and desires. It is never realized when vibrational resistance is present. Most rarely align with their true power because it seems illogical to them that there is power in relaxation, in letting go, or in love or joy or bliss. Most people do not understand that their true power lies in releasing resistance—which is the only obstacle to their true power.
Most people do not expect their path to great abundance to be one of ease and of joy. They have been taught that struggle and hardship and sacrifice are requirements that must be met before the reward of great abundance can be realized. Most do not understand that the very struggle they deliberately involve themselves in, in their quest for success and advantage, actually works against them.
Abraham-Hicks, Getting into the Vortex, 2011
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 0:46:55 GMT -5
If your desire is burning desire, It's more than enough to bring that thing you desire in your life. No mumbo, jumbo exercise is required. But only thing is, If you decide to take some action to achieve that or if you try negate it, it wouldn't happen. I don't fully disagree with this, but I'd argue that this would be the exception, not the norm. You meant to say there is an exception for burning desire? |
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Post by zendancer on Aug 9, 2020 11:01:12 GMT -5
In my opinion, the essential element is "expectation". You get what you expect, not what you "desire". I expect tomorrow morning the Sun to rise. I desire tomorrow morning not to rain. When you want something to happen, you have to feel like the former, not the latter. To be able to do so you need practice. Taking action isn't the issue. Correct. What you expect is essentially what you think you deserve. And that's what you will get. However, strong desire at times can override belief and expectation, as in emergency situations where people do 'impossible' things that seemingly defy 'physical laws', like a mother lifting a car to save her child that got trapped beneath it. I'm not sure that desire is a component of the mother lifting the car. It's more like "see and act" without any conscious thought at all. THIS is intelligent, and it often manifests as action without reflection---gnossis rather than episteme. In fact, Zen's "no mind" is a flow state exactly like the mother's "see and act," but it continues all the time and not just during emergencies of life-threatening situations. |
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Post by inavalan on Aug 9, 2020 15:46:13 GMT -5
Correct. What you expect is essentially what you think you deserve. And that's what you will get. However, strong desire at times can override belief and expectation, as in emergency situations where people do 'impossible' things that seemingly defy 'physical laws', like a mother lifting a car to save her child that got trapped beneath it. I'm not sure that desire is a component of the mother lifting the car. It's more like "see and act" without any conscious thought at all. THIS is intelligent, and it often manifests as action without reflection---gnossis rather than episteme. In fact, Zen's "no mind" is a flow state exactly like the mother's "see and act," but it continues all the time and not just during emergencies of life-threatening situations. I believe that expectations powered by emotions manifest. That is the explanation for that example; neither desire, nor no-mind. Surely, I disagree that "no mind" is desirable, in any interpretation, but I recognize people's right to their beliefs. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 12, 2020 1:06:43 GMT -5
I don't fully disagree with this, but I'd argue that this would be the exception, not the norm. You meant to say there is an exception for burning desire? I'm saying in every day life burning desire is the exception. |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 12, 2020 1:10:48 GMT -5
Correct. What you expect is essentially what you think you deserve. And that's what you will get. However, strong desire at times can override belief and expectation, as in emergency situations where people do 'impossible' things that seemingly defy 'physical laws', like a mother lifting a car to save her child that got trapped beneath it. I'm not sure that desire is a component of the mother lifting the car. It's more like "see and act" without any conscious thought at all. THIS is intelligent, and it often manifests as action without reflection---gnossis rather than episteme. In fact, Zen's "no mind" is a flow state exactly like the mother's "see and act," but it continues all the time and not just during emergencies of life-threatening situations. Yes, that explanation works, too. The mother is acting from broader perspective, essentially bypassing the intellect and the restrictions that come with it (beliefs). So in that moment, there is just acting. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 1:22:31 GMT -5
You meant to say there is an exception for burning desire? I'm saying in every day life burning desire is the exception. Okay. That's the way it works for me. But the desire goes with strong expectation freezes that future(It wouldn't happen). |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 13, 2020 1:02:04 GMT -5
I'm saying in every day life burning desire is the exception. Okay. That's the way it works for me. But the desire goes with strong expectation freezes that future(It wouldn't happen). What does that mean? Can you give an example? |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 13, 2020 1:42:23 GMT -5
For both 1 and 2. There are two tragedies in life, not getting what you want, and getting what you want. Oscar Wilde Yes, that's how it goes for most people because they are obsessed with the final manifestation (or destination). They work doggedly toward their goals in hope they will be happy when they achieve it. But every time they achieve a goal, they also achieve a new vantage point which births a new desire. And so they are maybe happy for five minutes and then the whole cycle starts again. That's why A-H teach to focus on the journey, not the destination. If you focus is on enjoying the journey, moving toward your desire(s), then it can be potentially joyful all the way, no matter if you eventually get what you want or not. As A-H say, your goals/desires are just an excuse to focus and flow energy or drawing life thru you, anyway. That's why, from that perspective, the best moments in life are not the moments when a desire finally gets fulfilled, but the moments when a new desire is born in you. For both 1 and 2: IOW, how do you know that what you want is the best thing for you? By how it feels (see emotional guidance scale). |
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