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Post by glimmer on Feb 8, 2021 3:10:38 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway. The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. “The people on the rumour mill go round and round ...”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 6:29:08 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway. The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. You mean like.. WWG1WGA..?
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Post by laughter on Feb 8, 2021 8:31:26 GMT -5
The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. You mean like.. WWG1WGA..? There is a hard limit as to exactly how far one can possibly be misled for precisely as long as they remain conscious of the distinction between first, 2nd, and nth hand information. And, in these interesting times, it is sometimes, if not often the case that the least banal of scenarios is the closer to the objective truth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 9:45:09 GMT -5
You mean like.. WWG1WGA..? There is a hard limit as to exactly how far one can possibly be misled for precisely as long as they remain conscious of the distinction between first, 2nd, and nth hand information. And, in these interesting times, it is sometimes, if not often the case that the least banal of scenarios is the closer to the objective truth. "But.. where's the fun in that?" whispered the crowd in unison.
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Post by laughter on Feb 8, 2021 11:24:24 GMT -5
There is a hard limit as to exactly how far one can possibly be misled for precisely as long as they remain conscious of the distinction between first, 2nd, and nth hand information. And, in these interesting times, it is sometimes, if not often the case that the least banal of scenarios is the closer to the objective truth. "But.. where's the fun in that?" whispered the crowd in unison. (** muttley snicker **) .. true that on one hand, there can be an underlying desire for drama that drives conspiracy theories. But, in these days of false-flags, false-false-flags ad nauseam, one must account for the weaponization of that sensibility before dismissing the drama as just drama soley on the basis that it is drama.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 12:52:25 GMT -5
"But.. where's the fun in that?" whispered the crowd in unison. (** muttley snicker **) .. true that on one hand, there can be an underlying desire for drama that drives conspiracy theories. But, in these days of false-flags, false-false-flags ad nauseam, one must account for the weaponization of that sensibility before dismissing the drama as just drama soley on the basis that it is drama. Yeah yeah.. joking aside I feel Daniel Schmachtenberger does a decent job of discussing some of the skills necessary for walking through this together.. The whole interview is on this link if anyone wants the hour and a half of his talk. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v5RiMdSqwk
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Post by inavalan on Feb 8, 2021 15:43:25 GMT -5
(** muttley snicker **) .. true that on one hand, there can be an underlying desire for drama that drives conspiracy theories. But, in these days of false-flags, false-false-flags ad nauseam, one must account for the weaponization of that sensibility before dismissing the drama as just drama soley on the basis that it is drama. Yeah yeah.. joking aside I feel Daniel Schmachtenberger does a decent job of discussing some of the skills necessary for walking through this together.. [Daniel Schmachtenberger's 6 minute video] The whole interview is on this link if anyone wants the hour and a half of his talk. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v5RiMdSqwk Please don't get mad at me ... How many of the 150,000,000+ US voters do you think have the: - brains
- emotional detachment
- time
- access to uncensored information
to do that? I think this is an Utopian solution (a.k.a. no-solution).
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Post by inavalan on Feb 8, 2021 15:48:01 GMT -5
The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. You mean like.. WWG1WGA..? I googled: WWG1WGA means "where we go one, we go all," a line from the 1996 Jeff Bridges sailing adventure "White Squall" misattributed to President Kennedy. I think the most effective lies are those that instill fear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:24:07 GMT -5
Yeah yeah.. joking aside I feel Daniel Schmachtenberger does a decent job of discussing some of the skills necessary for walking through this together.. [Daniel Schmachtenberger's 6 minute video] The whole interview is on this link if anyone wants the hour and a half of his talk. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v5RiMdSqwk Please don't get mad at me ... How many of the 150,000,000+ US voters do you think have the: - brains
- emotional detachment
- time
- access to uncensored information
to do that? I think this is an Utopian solution (a.k.a. no-solution). I don't make generalisations about people in a country that I've never been to. If people don't discuss what can be done then the foundations for what can happen are never even engineered. It's also worth bearing in mind that your 150 million is only 2% of the global population. Daniel discusses refining the ability to notice when people have signals of truth in what they say. I like his idea that each global event will have more than just one narrative and the task of collating those narratives opens the possibility of getting to a more complete and rounded picture, even if as Laughter pointed out it will only be nth hand information. These fuller kinds of inquiries seems to me to be what you're capable of? Perhaps it's the idea of not being too quick to dismiss other perspectives that you've called Utopian?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:42:25 GMT -5
You mean like.. WWG1WGA..? I googled: WWG1WGA means "where we go one, we go all," a line from the 1996 Jeff Bridges sailing adventure "White Squall" misattributed to President Kennedy. I think the most effective lies are those that instill fear. I think the acronym has been given mystical connotations by QAnon. And has been a relatively successful galvanising meme.
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Post by inavalan on Feb 8, 2021 23:14:09 GMT -5
I googled: WWG1WGA means "where we go one, we go all," a line from the 1996 Jeff Bridges sailing adventure "White Squall" misattributed to President Kennedy. I think the most effective lies are those that instill fear. I think the anacronym has been given mystical connotations by QAnon. And has been a relatively successful galvanising meme. I don't follow these things. I don't know what "QAnon" is; I believe it is an organization vilified by the political left. Not sure what "anacronym" is ... a pejorative acronym? I know what "galvanising" means, but not sure what "meme" is, maybe it is related to social media, but not using that ... I think the most effective lies are those that instill fear.
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Post by inavalan on Feb 8, 2021 23:25:45 GMT -5
Please don't get mad at me ... How many of the 150,000,000+ US voters do you think have the: - brains
- emotional detachment
- time
- access to uncensored information
to do that? I think this is an Utopian solution (a.k.a. no-solution). I don't make generalisations about people in a country that I've never been to. If people don't discuss what can be done then the foundations for what can happen are never even engineered. It's also worth bearing in mind that your 150 million is only 2% of the global population. Daniel discusses refining the ability to notice when people have signals of truth in what they say. I like his idea that each global event will have more than just one narrative and the task of collating those narratives opens the possibility of getting to a more complete and rounded picture, even if as Laughter pointed out it will only be nth hand information. These fuller kinds of inquiries seems to me to be what you're capable of? Perhaps it's the idea of not being too quick to dismiss other perspectives that you've called Utopian? I accept that you believe that "a reasonable majority of the 50*150,000,000 people have the brain, the emotional detachment, the time, and the access to uncensored information". I disagree, and call it a Utopian perspective, with all its detrimental implications.
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Post by laughter on Feb 9, 2021 9:19:43 GMT -5
(** muttley snicker **) .. true that on one hand, there can be an underlying desire for drama that drives conspiracy theories. But, in these days of false-flags, false-false-flags ad nauseam, one must account for the weaponization of that sensibility before dismissing the drama as just drama soley on the basis that it is drama. Yeah yeah.. joking aside I feel Daniel Schmachtenberger does a decent job of discussing some of the skills necessary for walking through this together.. The whole interview is on this link if anyone wants the hour and a half of his talk. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v5RiMdSqwk Really well said. But then again, on his "narrative warfare" notion: human nature, being what it is, sometimes there is carnage, and it's only human to react to the carnage emotionally, and there is never carnage without someone appearing to be the relative cause of it, ie, an enemy. He's very insightful about how this is being fabricated in peoples minds these days, about how people are being manipulated, and his point about the multiplicity of narratives seems almost completely lost on most people these days. Like him, I find a grounding in admitting what I don't know, and refraining from too much speculation based on nth-hand information and opinion.
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Post by maxdprophet on Feb 12, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway. Noted.
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Post by maxdprophet on Feb 12, 2021 9:32:25 GMT -5
Accident Prone Stew: Ultimate Between-nessIngredients: - One Intention – For example: An intense, unconflicted desire for Truth. Truth at all cost.;
- 100% Confidence, 100% faith that your desire is going to manifest;
- Two helpings of Gratitude. One for the ultimate manifestation of our desire (because we’re so confident). The other, an immense gratitude for our life, the world, and everything in it just as it is;
- A dash of Indifference. Hey, whatever happens, happens. Somewhat synonymous with Acceptance and Surrender. A dash because “in the confluence of desire and gratitude there is a quiet spot untouched by either--an island of high indifference. Desire and gratitude flow by but you remain unmoved. It is a place where you honest-to-God don’t care. A place untouched by anything this world has dished out or offered. A place where you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that none of it matters anyway.”
Directions*: Identify the intention and put it in your own words. Ask others to challenge you on this intention. Clarify it. The less accurate it is the less effective. Pray like hell for it. Bring it to a boil and then let it simmer ad infinitum. It may never be done, but hey, it smells nice. *”Realization is always an accident, a gift that has nothing to do with worthiness or effort.” “Nothing we “do” as dream-character seekers can possibly cause Realization.” There is one bucket, all the above ingredient's and directions go in it, in fact anything you could possibly think is automatically in the bucket, it's impossible for anything to be anywhere else. Can't really say or think anything about whats outside the bucket because that automatically puts it in the bucket . The 'noticing' of the ''awareing'' of the bucket is easily seen with some effort. 'noticing awareing' can only be empty because anything but emptiness is in the bucket. Some one might ask if " noticing awareness " is emptiness' how can the bucket appear in and to it? If there is self-abidance in this natural state the answer becomes known. overheard: If thou gaze into the stewpot long enough, the stewpot will also gaze into thee.
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