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Post by maxdprophet on Oct 15, 2019 11:14:57 GMT -5
howdy spiritual friends I just finished probably the sixth listening of this interview of Bart Marshall by our creator Shawn Nevins.  I was cleaning out our dastardly entropic basement and this was excellent accompaniment. Richard Rose's "Ultimate Betweeness" concept is discussed. Will read Bart's essay on it next. Would be interested in hearing you LOA folks out there comment on how UB harmonizes or not with your understanding. Also interested in Bart's published translations, especially Bhagavad Vita and Bible. Coincidentally or, perhaps, serendipitously, I started watching the netflix movie Between Two Ferns recently. There's something about Zack G's indifference shtick mixed with downright passive aggressive hostility that might parallel the Rose concept as well. Perhaps someday Rose's UB idea will be translated as "Ultimate Betwixtness" (inside ZG joke that isn't particularly funny but only slightly amusing to absurdity geek like me). |
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Post by maxdprophet on Dec 11, 2020 14:57:14 GMT -5
Funny, since I wrote that post above over a year ago, I've listened to that exact same interview/podcast another half a dozen times. I occasionally alternate with Shawn's Bob Fergeson interview. Wish I could say the basement is spotless!
It's a good occasional Sunday AM ritual as I drive to the nearest value grocery store (1/2 hour) for our weekly shop. Like other satsangy type mp3's, I tend to get in the groove and Truth seems closer. It's like when someone Truth-realized is speaking, it sort of entrances the receptive listener, infusing the atmosphere with profundity. And, easy come, easy go. Once I start pushing that rattly shopping cart amidst an explosion of multicolored labels and masked faces with eyes peering out over masks, awkardly making space for each other down one way aisles....But replaying is nice on the way home.
A propos the Bart interview, I started yesterday with "What does it feel like to be Truth?" As Bart notes, it's sort of a koan, in that conceptual-based answers are wrong off the bat but the question can be answered via direct experience.
In the past, on this forum, I've discussed a spiritual aspiration to be more confident or certain (nonconceptual varients). I happen to have recalled that last night when I bumped into this short poem from BM's Verses Regarding True Nature:
Thirty
The sage knows nothing, yet is always certain.
Certain of what?
The sage does not know.
Unkowable mystery infuses his being,
but nothing is in doubt.
He is free of knowing, therefore he is certain.
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Post by maxdprophet on Jan 15, 2021 13:45:25 GMT -5
Accident Prone Stew: Ultimate Between-nessIngredients: - One Intention – For example: An intense, unconflicted desire for Truth. Truth at all cost.;
- 100% Confidence, 100% faith that your desire is going to manifest;
- Two helpings of Gratitude. One for the ultimate manifestation of our desire (because we’re so confident). The other, an immense gratitude for our life, the world, and everything in it just as it is;
- A dash of Indifference. Hey, whatever happens, happens. Somewhat synonymous with Acceptance and Surrender. A dash because “in the confluence of desire and gratitude there is a quiet spot untouched by either--an island of high indifference. Desire and gratitude flow by but you remain unmoved. It is a place where you honest-to-God don’t care. A place untouched by anything this world has dished out or offered. A place where you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that none of it matters anyway.”
Directions*: Identify the intention and put it in your own words. Ask others to challenge you on this intention. Clarify it. The less accurate it is the less effective. Pray like hell for it. Bring it to a boil and then let it simmer ad infinitum. It may never be done, but hey, it smells nice. *”Realization is always an accident, a gift that has nothing to do with worthiness or effort.” “Nothing we “do” as dream-character seekers can possibly cause Realization.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 14:13:12 GMT -5
I think Bart is a good guy and I believe he had genuine realization. He can probably help people. But he also seems to be into conspiracy theories, like Q-anon and 9/11 "truth", and I don't know what to make of it. Anecdotally, I notice a correlation (maybe not causation) between people who experiment with hallucinogens and people who like conspiracy theories. They don't seem great at evaluating the quality of evidence and information. Again, I don't know what to make of it, and I like everything else I've seen from Bart.
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Post by maxdprophet on Jan 15, 2021 14:34:19 GMT -5
I know exactly how you feel. It's distracting.
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Post by laughter on Jan 15, 2021 17:24:05 GMT -5
I think Bart is a good guy and I believe he had genuine realization. He can probably help people. But he also seems to be into conspiracy theories, like Q-anon and 9/11 "truth", and I don't know what to make of it. Anecdotally, I notice a correlation (maybe not causation) between people who experiment with hallucinogens and people who like conspiracy theories. They don't seem great at evaluating the quality of evidence and information. Again, I don't know what to make of it, and I like everything else I've seen from Bart. " .. 'tis no good nor bad but that thinking make it so .."  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 15, 2021 18:31:04 GMT -5
Accident Prone Stew: Ultimate Between-nessIngredients: - One Intention – For example: An intense, unconflicted desire for Truth. Truth at all cost.;
- 100% Confidence, 100% faith that your desire is going to manifest;
- Two helpings of Gratitude. One for the ultimate manifestation of our desire (because we’re so confident). The other, an immense gratitude for our life, the world, and everything in it just as it is;
- A dash of Indifference. Hey, whatever happens, happens. Somewhat synonymous with Acceptance and Surrender. A dash because “in the confluence of desire and gratitude there is a quiet spot untouched by either--an island of high indifference. Desire and gratitude flow by but you remain unmoved. It is a place where you honest-to-God don’t care. A place untouched by anything this world has dished out or offered. A place where you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that none of it matters anyway.”
Directions*: Identify the intention and put it in your own words. Ask others to challenge you on this intention. Clarify it. The less accurate it is the less effective. Pray like hell for it. Bring it to a boil and then let it simmer ad infinitum. It may never be done, but hey, it smells nice. *”Realization is always an accident, a gift that has nothing to do with worthiness or effort.” “Nothing we “do” as dream-character seekers can possibly cause Realization.” Manifesting is close to my heart (great outline of the process there by the way), and 'desire' is at the very heart of that, but can 'Truth' even be desired? If the frog was correct, then Truth is never what we want (There you go, I challenged you on your intention).  |
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Post by maxdprophet on Jan 27, 2021 12:12:58 GMT -5
Hey Max! Long time... Hope you and all are well. We are lucky to live in such interesting times! Hey I thought that was a curse?? Yea we're hanging in there. I thought a friend's Christmas card summarized it well Happy Holidays, Together... MORE THAN EVER!! |
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Post by glimmer on Feb 5, 2021 2:37:45 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway.
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Post by laughter on Feb 5, 2021 3:47:27 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway. The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth.  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 5, 2021 5:50:40 GMT -5
I met my first real Qanoner. I think I slipped somewhere in betweenness whilst he was talking. I might be more effective in here anyway. The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. And let's also not forget that all (small 't') truths are relative. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 5, 2021 11:29:38 GMT -5
The most effective lies are the ones that make optimum use of various fragments of truth. And let's also not forget that all (small 't') truths are relative. Why yes, I have to agree. But.  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 5, 2021 13:46:55 GMT -5
And let's also not forget that all (small 't') truths are relative. Why yes, I have to agree. But. Touché.  |
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Post by runstill on Feb 5, 2021 16:49:45 GMT -5
Accident Prone Stew: Ultimate Between-nessIngredients: - One Intention – For example: An intense, unconflicted desire for Truth. Truth at all cost.;
- 100% Confidence, 100% faith that your desire is going to manifest;
- Two helpings of Gratitude. One for the ultimate manifestation of our desire (because we’re so confident). The other, an immense gratitude for our life, the world, and everything in it just as it is;
- A dash of Indifference. Hey, whatever happens, happens. Somewhat synonymous with Acceptance and Surrender. A dash because “in the confluence of desire and gratitude there is a quiet spot untouched by either--an island of high indifference. Desire and gratitude flow by but you remain unmoved. It is a place where you honest-to-God don’t care. A place untouched by anything this world has dished out or offered. A place where you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that none of it matters anyway.”
Directions*: Identify the intention and put it in your own words. Ask others to challenge you on this intention. Clarify it. The less accurate it is the less effective. Pray like hell for it. Bring it to a boil and then let it simmer ad infinitum. It may never be done, but hey, it smells nice. *”Realization is always an accident, a gift that has nothing to do with worthiness or effort.” “Nothing we “do” as dream-character seekers can possibly cause Realization.” There is one bucket, all the above ingredient's and directions go in it, in fact anything you could possibly think is automatically in the bucket, it's impossible for anything to be anywhere else. Can't really say or think anything about whats outside the bucket because that automatically puts it in the bucket . The 'noticing' of the ''awareing'' of the bucket is easily seen with some effort. 'noticing awareing' can only be empty because anything but emptiness is in the bucket. Some one might ask if " noticing awareness " is emptiness' how can the bucket appear in and to it? If there is self-abidance in this natural state the answer becomes known. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 6, 2021 1:34:09 GMT -5
So there was a conspiracy, but a good conspiracy ...  This " Time" article is quite amazing. It basically says that the US elections were manipulated by powerful people and interests, in order to save the country! If this were written by the other side it would've been banned on social media, and dismissed as a conspiracy theory. "In a way, Trump was right. There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO published on Election Day. Both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain – inspired by the summer’s massive, sometimes destructive racial-justice protests – in which the forces of labor came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose Trump’s assault on democracy." --- This appears in the February 15, 2021 issue of TIME. webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KCdPqyxJmGwJ:https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0THE ARCHITECT: Sometime in the fall of 2019, Mike Podhorzer became convinced the election was headed for disaster–and determined to protect it. |
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I was cleaning out our dastardly entropic basement and this was excellent accompaniment.
