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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 21:20:45 GMT -5
Last I looked, as I understand it, she'd reconsidered the conclusion that she'd found "the real Jed". From my vague recollection, the publisher actually issued a statement that implied they were behind shutting down the fake Jed forum's at around the same time. My interest in the subject isn't enough such that my knowledge here is entirely precise or, even, up to date.  Oh....was reading in order, I concur, her Jed is not the Real Jed. (The more I read about her Jed {her reports} the more fishy it seemed...)... I think initially she figured she was indeed onto something factual, but as the story unfolded, she got a little dose of the spot-light and loved it....from there, she stopped caring about facts and mere suspicions became good enough. In short, she got caught up in the whole thing, which kinda took on a life of it's own. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 17, 2019 10:11:13 GMT -5
Last I looked, as I understand it, she'd reconsidered the conclusion that she'd found "the real Jed". From my vague recollection, the publisher actually issued a statement that implied they were behind shutting down the fake Jed forum's at around the same time. My interest in the subject isn't enough such that my knowledge here is entirely precise or, even, up to date. Oh, seems you are way more up to date than I am. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 17, 2019 10:23:52 GMT -5
I forget, did Jed ever mention T.S. Elliot? Not in the first book, it seems. He quotes Walt Whitman a lot. Anyway, did you notice that apart from the really good information and insights that there's also a lot of TMT there in that book? I mean, sure, he needs some stories to fill a certain number of pages, but given the subject of the book, the constant self-analyzing and self-portrayal seems way off after a while. Especially the perspective from which the stories are told seems off. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 17, 2019 10:32:14 GMT -5
I think initially she figured she was indeed onto something factual, but as the story unfolded, she got a little dose of the spot-light and loved it....from there, she stopped caring about facts and mere suspicions became good enough. In short, she got caught up in the whole thing, which kinda took on a life of it's own. She seemed rather genuine in finding Jed. The motivation behind it seemed a bit unclear to me though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 10:54:05 GMT -5
I think initially she figured she was indeed onto something factual, but as the story unfolded, she got a little dose of the spot-light and loved it....from there, she stopped caring about facts and mere suspicions became good enough. In short, she got caught up in the whole thing, which kinda took on a life of it's own. The motivation behind it seemed a bit unclear to me though. You think she found the real dude? |
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Post by laughter on Apr 18, 2019 0:04:47 GMT -5
I forget, did Jed ever mention T.S. Elliot? . He quotes Walt Whitman a lot. Anyway, did you notice that apart from the really good information and insights that there's also a lot of TMT there in that book? I mean, sure, he needs some stories to fill a certain number of pages, but given the subject of the book, the constant self-analyzing and self-portrayal seems way off after a while. Especially the perspective from which the stories are told seems off. . Well, I'm gonna' keep giving the same answer as before. The whole affair was, at the time I read it, and (for the most part) is still foreign to me: I've never been in a room full of people who where self-identified self-consciously seeking seekers. But wouldn't the TMT be par for the course in that situation? Isn't that why most of the respected sources from past and present constantly point away from intellect? "Reasonable" objections seem to me a natural result of seeking. And also, I think alot of it was, in a way, tongue-in-cheek. The author makes a comedic sport of what appears to be paradox to a seeker. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 23:57:34 GMT -5
Not in the first book, it seems. He quotes Walt Whitman a lot. Anyway, did you notice that apart from the really good information and insights that there's also a lot of TMT there in that book? I mean, sure, he needs some stories to fill a certain number of pages, but given the subject of the book, the constant self-analyzing and self-portrayal seems way off after a while. Especially the perspective from which the stories are told seems off. . Well, I'm gonna' keep giving the same answer as before. The whole affair was, at the time I read it, and (for the most part) is still foreign to me: I've never been in a room full of people who where self-identified self-consciously seeking seekers. But wouldn't the TMT be par for the course in that situation? Isn't that why most of the respected sources from past and present constantly point away from intellect? "Reasonable" objections seem to me a natural result of seeking. And also, I think alot of it was, in a way, tongue-in-cheek. The author makes a comedic sport of what appears to be paradox to a seeker. Yeah....am seeing now, at times there is a sort of "brilliance" in that regard. Whoever the author is, the kid can write non-fiction-fiction like a demon! |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 19, 2019 5:18:07 GMT -5
She seemed rather genuine in finding Jed. The motivation behind it seemed a bit unclear to me though. You think she found the real dude? I meant she seemed genuine in her search. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 19, 2019 5:41:16 GMT -5
Well, I'm gonna' keep giving the same answer as before. The whole affair was, at the time I read it, and (for the most part) is still foreign to me: I've never been in a room full of people who where self-identified self-consciously seeking seekers. But wouldn't the TMT be par for the course in that situation? Isn't that why most of the respected sources from past and present constantly point away from intellect? "Reasonable" objections seem to me a natural result of seeking. And also, I think alot of it was, in a way, tongue-in-cheek. The author makes a comedic sport of what appears to be paradox to a seeker. Okay, maybe you don't remember. My own satsang experience is rather limited. Interestingly, Jed mentions Satyam Nadeen. I went to one of his satsangs almost 20 years ago. I still remember how Nadeen mocked those who probably expected some kind of energy surge and rainbows as soon as he walked into the room. That reminds me of Jed. But that was 10 years before Jed's book came out. |
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Post by laughter on Apr 19, 2019 10:00:27 GMT -5
Well, I'm gonna' keep giving the same answer as before. The whole affair was, at the time I read it, and (for the most part) is still foreign to me: I've never been in a room full of people who where self-identified self-consciously seeking seekers. But wouldn't the TMT be par for the course in that situation? Isn't that why most of the respected sources from past and present constantly point away from intellect? "Reasonable" objections seem to me a natural result of seeking. And also, I think alot of it was, in a way, tongue-in-cheek. The author makes a comedic sport of what appears to be paradox to a seeker. My own satsang experience is rather limited. Interestingly, Jed mentions Satyam Nadeen. I went to one of his satsangs almost 20 years ago. I still remember how Nadeen mocked those who probably expected some kind of energy surge and rainbows as soon as he walked into the room. That reminds me of Jed. But that was 10 years before Jed's book came out. Telling seekers to drop their expectations strikes me as a common refrain from old sources. Yes, it's been a few years. Funny enough, I went looking for my copy during the thread here on the forum in '16, and couldn't find it, but it's been staring directly at me over the past week or so. Ain't nobody got time to re-read the entire thing right now, but I'm curious, which parts were you referring to? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 11:56:09 GMT -5
You think she found the real dude? I meant she seemed genuine in her search. Oh yes. Agreed. As genuine in her search as a woman head over heels in love, can be. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 19, 2019 21:06:03 GMT -5
Telling seekers to drop their expectations strikes me as a common refrain from old sources. Yes, it's been a few years. Funny enough, I went looking for my copy during the thread here on the forum in '16, and couldn't find it, but it's been staring directly at me over the past week or so. Ain't nobody got time to re-read the entire thing right now, but I'm curious, which parts were you referring to? Yes, I only mentioned Nadeen because he was the first one I encountered who basically said don't expect any bells and whistles, just an ordinary human being. Jed just seems to piggyback on that decades later. The TMT is scattered all over the book. If I'd pick out just one example, you'd most likely won't see the issue. But if you start combining it, it starts looking a little fishy. I had no problem with it in the first few chapters because I basically adopted your perspective, naturally. But after chapter ten, the nonchalance- psychoanalysis stick starts getting a little old, especially when the comments about the unenlightened peeps, especially about the people living in the house, are mostly of a derogatory nature. He really puts a lot of effort in portraying himself as non-attached. But the way he does it, it begins to look like he is confusing non-attachment with indifference and so the whole 'Jed the enlightened one' deal may just be another case of identity poker. So I am beginning to see why Shawn gave him only a 2-star rating, despite the valuable information in the book. Maybe we should just treat it as spiritual fiction with some true nuggets here and there because some stuff he writes really rings true. But as a whole, the more I read, the less it rings true as a whole. And the general tone of the book, which probably is just intended to be no-nonsense, sounds more and more like ESA to me (especially this caterpillars vs. butterflies stuff). Butt.... I'm not even half-way thru the book yet. So don't take this as my final word on the entire Jed saga.  |
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Post by laughter on Apr 19, 2019 21:10:24 GMT -5
Telling seekers to drop their expectations strikes me as a common refrain from old sources. Yes, it's been a few years. Funny enough, I went looking for my copy during the thread here on the forum in '16, and couldn't find it, but it's been staring directly at me over the past week or so. Ain't nobody got time to re-read the entire thing right now, but I'm curious, which parts were you referring to? Yes, I only mentioned Nadeen because he was the first one I encountered who basically said don't expect any bells and whistles, just an ordinary human being. Jed just seems to piggyback on that decades later. The TMT is scattered all over the book. If I'd pick out just one example, you'd most likely won't see the issue. But if you start combining it, it starts looking a little fishy. I had no problem with it in the first few chapters because I basically adopted your perspective, naturally. But after chapter ten, the nonchalance- psychoanalysis stick starts getting a little old, especially when the comments about the unenlightened peeps, especially about the people living in the house, are mostly of a derogatory nature. He really puts a lot of effort in portraying himself as non-attached. But the way he does it, it begins to look like he is confusing non-attachment with indifference and so the whole 'Jed the enlightened one' deal may just be another case of identity poker. So I am beginning to see why Shawn gave him only a 2-star rating, despite the valuable information in the book. Maybe we should just treat it as spiritual fiction with some true nuggets here and there because some stuff he writes really rings true. But as a whole, the more I read, the less it rings true as a whole. And the general tone of the book, which probably is just intended to be no-nonsense, sounds more and more like ESA to me (especially this caterpillars vs. butterflies stuff). Butt.... I'm not even half-way thru the book yet. So don't take this as my final word on the entire Jed saga. Thanks for you perspective, always appreciated. Who knows, maybe somebody got time fer dat' after all ... just don't know where it's gonna' come from.  |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 19, 2019 21:21:48 GMT -5
Thanks for you perspective, always appreciated. Who knows, maybe somebody got time fer dat' after all ... just don't know where it's gonna' come from. Don't bother. Really not worth it. Too much filler. I'll post some interesting quotes some time later. And when I'm done with the book, I'll read Shawn's review again and give you my final impression on Jed. |
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Post by Reefs on Apr 21, 2019 1:47:11 GMT -5
Have you read what Jed said about solipsism in the first book yet? O.k., that's it! I'm on it! I'm half-way thru the book now. Apparently Jed thinks solipsism isn't a theory or belief. To him what solipsism proposes is just the way it is, a basic fact of existence.  Now this is getting really interesting. Let's connect some dots here. So far, according to Jed: 1) enlightenment is a long arduous process, akin to a fight, which takes years 2) and this process is all about deconstructing beliefs until nothing remains that could be further deconstructed 3) a superior tool for this process is autolysis 4) when you are done deconstructing, it will be a rather uneventful moment, you will simply say: "I'm done." 5) and you will see that solipsism is the real deal So basically, it's all mentation from start to finish what Jed is talking about. At no point are there any references to anything prior to mind. Which means this has nothing to do with what we call enlightenment or SR. Instead, it's what we sometimes call 'mind enlightenment'. |
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