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Post by amit on Sept 8, 2020 20:31:54 GMT -5
Seems you are determined to remain blindly predjudiced against people you dont know, so no point in further replies. Its a very dangerous characteristic which you should try to deal with, for the sake of minorities who may be unfortunate enough to encounter you. Be well and good luck.
This is upsetting ... You're a moron. So you also have a prejudicial term you like to use for people with learning difficulties. You really need to get rid of these dangerous attitudes if you can.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 8, 2020 21:36:40 GMT -5
I believe that those guys fool themselves and others. The fact that they make money of their "realization" is objectionable. For example Eckhart Tolle being worth $70 million dollars is disgusting. I don't really condemn those guys, but definitely I don't respect what they're doing. And I don't have to. What's objectionable and disgusting about Tolle's $70 million net worth?
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Post by inavalan on Sept 8, 2020 22:20:45 GMT -5
I believe that those guys fool themselves and others. The fact that they make money of their "realization" is objectionable. For example Eckhart Tolle being worth $70 million dollars is disgusting. I don't really condemn those guys, but definitely I don't respect what they're doing. And I don't have to. What's objectionable and disgusting about Tolle's $70 million net worth? Somebody who learned the kind of "truth" he pretends to have "realized", would want to share it with as many as he could. Charging more means the "truth" will reach fewer. It doesn't even matter if he believes what he preaches or not. That kind of money shows that he's in it for money and glory, which to me is objectionable, and after a threshold disgusting.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 8, 2020 23:47:09 GMT -5
What's objectionable and disgusting about Tolle's $70 million net worth? Somebody who learned the kind of "truth" he pretends to have "realized", would want to share it with as many as he could. Charging more means the "truth" will reach fewer. It doesn't even matter if he believes what he preaches or not. That kind of money shows that he's in it for money and glory, which to me is objectionable, and after a threshold disgusting. What's wrong with money and glory? And he does share it with as many as he can, some even free of charge (youtube videos, newsletters). And just think of all the jobs he has created with his business and the income people receive who work in these jobs. ETA: I've watched a documentary once about people doing expensive jewelry for ultra rich people. And all the while they were working and doing their craft, enjoying a purpose in life, an income and having an economy going in their little town, they were talking bad about about these filthy rich people and how they waste their money, even though they were the reason why the people in that little town had a work at all and could live a relatively comfortable life. I'd say some cross-purpose and contradictory energy going on there.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 9, 2020 0:08:19 GMT -5
Somebody who learned the kind of "truth" he pretends to have "realized", would want to share it with as many as he could. Charging more means the "truth" will reach fewer. It doesn't even matter if he believes what he preaches or not. That kind of money shows that he's in it for money and glory, which to me is objectionable, and after a threshold disgusting. What's wrong with money and glory? And he does share it with as many as he can, some even free of charge (youtube videos, newsletters). And just think of all the jobs he has created with his business and the income people receive who work in these jobs. I reply just because you asked, not that it matters to me what people think about Tolle. The "truth" isn't, and can't be about money and glory. No one can believe we come on Earth to get money and glory. To me his $70 suggest that he didn't "realized" the "truth".
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Post by Reefs on Sept 9, 2020 0:27:50 GMT -5
What's wrong with money and glory? And he does share it with as many as he can, some even free of charge (youtube videos, newsletters). And just think of all the jobs he has created with his business and the income people receive who work in these jobs. I reply just because you asked, not that it matters to me what people think about Tolle. The "truth" isn't, and can't be about money and glory. No one can believe we come on Earth to get money and glory. To me his $70 suggest that he didn't "realized" the "truth". Can you explain why? If, in the context of relative truths, we already believe that we come here for a reason, why shouldn't that include money and glory? Your perspective seems unnecessarily restrictive and shortsighted. I'm curious what 'truth' he hasn't realized yet.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 9, 2020 0:57:58 GMT -5
I reply just because you asked, not that it matters to me what people think about Tolle. The "truth" isn't, and can't be about money and glory. No one can believe we come on Earth to get money and glory. To me his $70 suggest that he didn't "realized" the "truth". Can you explain why? If, in the context of relative truths, we already believe that we come here for a reason, why shouldn't that include money and glory? Your perspective seems unnecessarily restrictive and shortsighted. I'm curious what 'truth' he hasn't realized yet. I tried to find a way to reply without feeding the pendulum. I didn't find it.
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Post by laughter on Sept 9, 2020 1:12:22 GMT -5
I reply just because you asked, not that it matters to me what people think about Tolle. The "truth" isn't, and can't be about money and glory. No one can believe we come on Earth to get money and glory. To me his $70 suggest that he didn't "realized" the "truth". Can you explain why? If, in the context of relative truths, we already believe that we come here for a reason, why shouldn't that include money and glory? Your perspective seems unnecessarily restrictive and shortsighted. I'm curious what 'truth' he hasn't realized yet. heh heh .. that cues up a classic.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 9, 2020 6:36:57 GMT -5
What's wrong with money and glory? And he does share it with as many as he can, some even free of charge (youtube videos, newsletters). And just think of all the jobs he has created with his business and the income people receive who work in these jobs. I reply just because you asked, not that it matters to me what people think about Tolle. The "truth" isn't, and can't be about money and glory. No one can believe we come on Earth to get money and glory. To me his $70 suggest that he didn't "realized" the "truth". The truth lies beyond all ideas and is far more mysterious and astounding than can be imagined. People harbor countless ideas and beliefs and yet don't know how they grow a single hair out of the surface of the body's skin.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 9, 2020 10:18:46 GMT -5
I imagine that the people who are free from being dominated by their thoughts would be successful at whatever they do in life. They'll certainly be happy at whatever they do because they'll understand the source of all their actions.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 9, 2020 12:08:02 GMT -5
They'll certainly be happy at whatever they do because they'll understand the source of all their actions. ok sure and I didn't mean an increase in fame or fortune.. because I don't think the conditions surrounding your life matter all that much.. but I think a simple stress free life could be called successful Agreed. My point was that whether rich or poor it would make no difference. Further, the idea of "a successful life" would never arise because no idea is applicable to what we call "the natural state."
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 9, 2020 15:18:03 GMT -5
Can you explain why? If, in the context of relative truths, we already believe that we come here for a reason, why shouldn't that include money and glory? Your perspective seems unnecessarily restrictive and shortsighted. I'm curious what 'truth' he hasn't realized yet. I tried to find a way to reply without feeding the pendulum. I didn't find it. To all who have replied to this subject. I agree in principle with inavalan (but not all of his comments, IOW, couldn't like any of his replies, in full). Why bank $70 million? Set up a trust for yourself and whoever else you want to take care of. Set the business/teaching up to perpetuate itself (Tolle is not going to live forever, but what he had/has to say is very beneficial, and can be for hundreds and thousands of years. I don't think it would take $70 million to do that). Anything left over (say just a ballpark $50 million), figure out the most need and support NEEDS, not wants. Bill Gates is a good model, giving away most of his fortune.
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Post by andrew on Sept 9, 2020 15:49:05 GMT -5
I tried to find a way to reply without feeding the pendulum. I didn't find it. To all who have replied to this subject. I agree in principle with inavalan (but not all of his comments, IOW, couldn't like any of his replies, in full). Why bank $70 million? Set up a trust for yourself and whoever else you want to take care of. Set the business/teaching up to perpetuate itself (Tolle is not going to live forever, but what he had/has to say is very beneficial, and can be for hundreds and thousands of years. I don't think it would take $70 million to do that). Anything left over (say just a ballpark $50 million), figure out the most need and support NEEDS, not wants. Bill Gates is a good model, giving away most of his fortune. I think it's a tricky one. Although Gates is (sort of) giving away his fortune, he's not without influence, and aside from whether I agree or not with the nature OF his influence (I consider it likely that he is a trans-humanist, in which case I don't resonate with his influence), it raises interesting spiritual questions about where the boundaries are between interfering and helping. Certainly I don''t resonate with Tolle accumulating a bank balance of $70 million (if that's true). That doesn't mean I know what he should do with it. I'm sure he could do something that's very meaningful to him, and would be pretty cool.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 9, 2020 16:21:13 GMT -5
The money thing is fascinating because of how most people think about money. Warren Buffett has accumulated hundreds of millions, but it's just a game to him. He plans on giving something like 99% of it to the Gates Foundation. He could have given away tons of money to charitable causes over the years, but why do that when he can compound the money at 19.5% (his average rate of compounding over the last 50 years), and end up giving away a lot more money to charitable causes after his death?
As for Tolle, the last I heard his net worth was about $12 million, not $70 million, but even if it's $70 million, the guy doesn't drive a Ferrari, and from what I've heard he lives pretty simply. He's probably waiting to find out what Source is going to do with the money, which is what most sages do who have more money than they need. A good book that gives some insight into this matter is "Everyday Enlightenment" because it highlights the lives of seven different sages who vary in financial wealth from having no money at all to having a lot. One individual was a social worker and one individual was a businessperson who ran a large company. People have lots of ideas about this topic, but sages don't think about it in the same way.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 9, 2020 21:29:29 GMT -5
I tried to find a way to reply without feeding the pendulum. I didn't find it. To all who have replied to this subject. I agree in principle with inavalan (but not all of his comments, IOW, couldn't like any of his replies, in full). Why bank $70 million? Set up a trust for yourself and whoever else you want to take care of. Set the business/teaching up to perpetuate itself (Tolle is not going to live forever, but what he had/has to say is very beneficial, and can be for hundreds and thousands of years. I don't think it would take $70 million to do that). Anything left over (say just a ballpark $50 million), figure out the most need and support NEEDS, not wants. Bill Gates is a good model, giving away most of his fortune. Money, and abundance in general, is usually a hot topic that triggers a lot of buttons, because that's the area where so many of our cultural beliefs about good and bad, fair and unfair collide with our most natural desires. It's a fascinating topic. Poverty can be a curse and a blessing. Wealth can also be a curse and a blessing. It all depends on how the individual deals with it. As A-H keep saying, in every aspect of creation, there's positive and negative. That's a fact. How you deal with that, that's up to you. You can just take that as it is and stay away from such categorizations, as ZD seems to be suggesting, and move with the greater flow. Or you can focus predominantly on the positive aspects, as Abe are suggesting, and keep moving up the emotional scale into a life or greater ease and abundance. Or you can focus predominantly on the negative, as Inavalan seems to be suggesting, and keep moving down the emotional scale into a life of greater struggle and lack. Or, you can focus a bit on the positive and a bit on the negative in an attempt to be objective, as you seem to be suggesting, and you'll get a mixed bag of both positive and negative experiences that more or less balance each other out, never leaving the mediocre.
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