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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 13:20:33 GMT -5
Well Adya is just confusing people. Adya is referring to the difference between an awakening experience which reveals that reality is not what's usually imagined. Many people have that kind of awakening, but remain attached to lots of ideas, including personal selfhood. Abidance therefore continues. Non-abidance occurs after all existential questions have been resolved and SR has occurred. Adya: "Another one of the great misunderstandings about awakening or enlightenment is that it is some sort of mystical experience. We might expect an experience akin to union with God: a merging with the environment or a dissolving into the ocean. This is not the case. Nor is awakening the same as suddenly having a tremendous amount of cosmic insight--insight into the way the whole universe is constructed, insight into the inner workings of what we think is reality. " |
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 16, 2019 13:22:56 GMT -5
Adya is referring to the difference between an awakening experience which reveals that reality is not what's usually imagined. Many people have that kind of awakening, but remain attached to lots of ideas, including personal selfhood. Abidance therefore continues. Non-abidance occurs after all existential questions have been resolved and SR has occurred. Adya: "Another one of the great misunderstandings about awakening or enlightenment is that it is some sort of mystical experience. We might expect an experience akin to union with God: a merging with the environment or a dissolving into the ocean. This is not the case. Nor is awakening the same as suddenly having a tremendous amount of cosmic insight--insight into the way the whole universe is constructed, insight into the inner workings of what we think is reality. " That's spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 13:30:37 GMT -5
None of that resonates with me. Yeah, awakening is not 'an experience.' And even Adya makes a point of stressing that.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 16, 2019 17:21:35 GMT -5
Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. If I am expressing my own version of Krsna. The world now knows because I have posted in this forum my own views of Krsna. I am sharing what's in my mind. Neither I am lecturing who's trying to convince to join Krsna consciousness. I am not profiting from any of this. I am a Catholic. I also pay homage to Christ Jesus. I am not exerting any effort here to recruit you into embracing a Personal God. Just keep an open mind. Don't get hooked to something you may no longer interest when you get older. Your still young. You still have more to experience and venture. Spirituality is not all in all You have to live a life. A married life. Have a family of your own. Live that day when you become a grand daddy. See your children grow up finish college Have their own family. My advice is don't get too serious in this thing. It's a pastime. The real one is in surviving the harsh realities of life. I am not getting serious. I enjoy discussing with you now. All I wanted to say here is, when you use the name 'Krishna', it's attached to religious. In a nutshell, Krsna consciousness is neither a religion or a Hindu cult. Krsna consciousness is way of living, a way of life. That is why Srila Prabhupada said that Krsna consciousness is a sanatana dharma. This means I am eternal and is originally Krsna conscious in its pure form. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 8:05:55 GMT -5
I am not getting serious. I enjoy discussing with you now. All I wanted to say here is, when you use the name 'Krishna', it's attached to religious. In a nutshell, Krsna consciousness is neither a religion or a Hindu cult. Krsna consciousness is way of living, a way of life. That is why Srila Prabhupada said that Krsna consciousness is a sanatana dharma. This means I am eternal and is originally Krsna conscious in its pure form. Krishna is the Hindu God who was considered to be the incarnation of Vishnu. So it's attached to Religious. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 17, 2019 9:26:01 GMT -5
Adya: "Another one of the great misunderstandings about awakening or enlightenment is that it is some sort of mystical experience. We might expect an experience akin to union with God: a merging with the environment or a dissolving into the ocean. This is not the case. Nor is awakening the same as suddenly having a tremendous amount of cosmic insight--insight into the way the whole universe is constructed, insight into the inner workings of what we think is reality. " That's spot on. It really depends upon how awakening is defined. Some people define awakening as awakening from the dream of "me," or SR, but other people define awakening as the initial realization that reality is not what it's conventionally imagined to be, and that kind of awakening can occur either as a result of a CC or as a realization. The argument about CC's has gone on for years, so there's no need to cover that ground again, but in this case, the issue is one of definition, alone. In the Zen tradition, a kensho experience is the most common introduction into the world of the non-dual, and it definitely involves an awakening, so it all depends upon which realization one chooses as the definition of awakening. Kensho is like an introduction, and is an awakening from one illusion, and SR is an awakening from a different illusion. |
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 17, 2019 9:36:29 GMT -5
It really depends upon how awakening is defined. Some people define awakening as awakening from the dream of "me," or SR, but other people define awakening as the initial realization that reality is not what it's conventionally imagined to be, and that kind of awakening can occur either as a result of a CC or as a realization. The argument about CC's has gone on for years, so there's no need to cover that ground again, but in this case, the issue is one of definition, alone. In the Zen tradition, a kensho experience is the most common introduction into the world of the non-dual, and it definitely involves an awakening, so it all depends upon which realization one chooses as the definition of awakening. Kensho is like an introduction, and is an awakening from one illusion, and SR is an awakening from a different illusion. The first sentence from Adya's quote is a bit ambiguous. Is he differentiating between awakening and enlightenment or is he saying they are synonymous? |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 17, 2019 9:44:32 GMT -5
It really depends upon how awakening is defined. Some people define awakening as awakening from the dream of "me," or SR, but other people define awakening as the initial realization that reality is not what it's conventionally imagined to be, and that kind of awakening can occur either as a result of a CC or as a realization. The argument about CC's has gone on for years, so there's no need to cover that ground again, but in this case, the issue is one of definition, alone. In the Zen tradition, a kensho experience is the most common introduction into the world of the non-dual, and it definitely involves an awakening, so it all depends upon which realization one chooses as the definition of awakening. Kensho is like an introduction, and is an awakening from one illusion, and SR is an awakening from a different illusion. The first sentence from Adya's quote is a bit ambiguous. Is he differentiating between awakening and enlightenment or is he saying they are synonymous? I think he's referring to SR, and in that quote I think he's using the two words as synonyms. His point is that SR doesn't involve the kind of woo-woo stuff involved in a CC, and I fully agree with that. It's far more subtle and down to earth by comparison--more of an "Aha!" rather than "OMG!!!!"  |
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 17, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -5
The first sentence from Adya's quote is a bit ambiguous. Is he differentiating between awakening and enlightenment or is he saying they are synonymous? I think he's referring to SR, and in that quote I think he's using the two words as synonyms. His point is that SR doesn't involve the kind of woo-woo stuff involved in a CC, and I fully agree with that. It's far more subtle and down to earth by comparison--more of an "Aha!" rather than "OMG!!!!" I have no idea what cc woo woo is, but I would say there is only one kind of SR. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 17, 2019 9:51:40 GMT -5
I think he's referring to SR, and in that quote I think he's using the two words as synonyms. His point is that SR doesn't involve the kind of woo-woo stuff involved in a CC, and I fully agree with that. It's far more subtle and down to earth by comparison--more of an "Aha!" rather than "OMG!!!!" I would say there is only one kind of SR. Agreed. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2019 9:59:52 GMT -5
Obviously, it's because they don't give out enlightenment medals.  But serially, I wondered the same thing.  What is it? |
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2019 10:01:36 GMT -5
A little worse for wear, perhaps.  |
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 17, 2019 10:04:54 GMT -5
That would be a Buddhist amulet/talisman. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 17, 2019 10:14:47 GMT -5
In a nutshell, Krsna consciousness is neither a religion or a Hindu cult. Krsna consciousness is way of living, a way of life. That is why Srila Prabhupada said that Krsna consciousness is a sanatana dharma. This means I am eternal and is originally Krsna conscious in its pure form. Krishna is the Hindu God who was considered to be the incarnation of Vishnu. So it's attached to Religious. Nagaraja dasa says: In 1969, just a few years after Srila Prabhupada started his movement in the West, he prepared a test for his disciples. Those who passed the test would receive a Bhakti Sastri degree, signifying their understanding of the basic philosophy of Krishna consciousness. I came across the test recently and was surprised to find that eight of its fifteen questions deal with the same point: How to distinguish between religion and faith. Srila Prabhupada obviously felt this was an extremely important point. Prabhupada taught that Krishna consciousness—God consciousness—is different from what is generally called "religion." Taking up the practices of Krishna consciousness is not the same as converting from one religion to another. Hare Krishna devotees never say they converted from Christianity, Judaism, or some other faith. Prabhupada came not to make converts to Hinduism, he would say, but to give genuine spiritual knowledge. Because Krishna consciousness is the eternal function of the soul, it can’t be changed, as we might change our beliefs from one religion to another. We are all spiritual beings, by nature servants of God. To be Krishna consciousness is to understand our true nature and act accordingly. It’s that simple. Our Krishna consciousness is already there; we simply have to awaken it. We can’t remove Krishna consciousness from our very being any more than we can stop breathing, or any more than we can remove sweetness from sugar or liquidity from water. The Sanskrit word dharma is sometimes translated as “religion,” but dharma actually means “essential characteristic.” The dharma of fire is heat; the dharma of the soul is service to God. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 10:24:02 GMT -5
Krishna is the Hindu God who was considered to be the incarnation of Vishnu. So it's attached to Religious. Nagaraja dasa says: In 1969, just a few years after Srila Prabhupada started his movement in the West, he prepared a test for his disciples. Those who passed the test would receive a Bhakti Sastri degree, signifying their understanding of the basic philosophy of Krishna consciousness. I came across the test recently and was surprised to find that eight of its fifteen questions deal with the same point: How to distinguish between religion and faith. Srila Prabhupada obviously felt this was an extremely important point. Prabhupada taught that Krishna consciousness—God consciousness—is different from what is generally called "religion." Taking up the practices of Krishna consciousness is not the same as converting from one religion to another. Hare Krishna devotees never say they converted from Christianity, Judaism, or some other faith. Prabhupada came not to make converts to Hinduism, he would say, but to give genuine spiritual knowledge. Because Krishna consciousness is the eternal function of the soul, it can’t be changed, as we might change our beliefs from one religion to another. We are all spiritual beings, by nature servants of God. To be Krishna consciousness is to understand our true nature and act accordingly. It’s that simple. Our Krishna consciousness is already there; we simply have to awaken it. We can’t remove Krishna consciousness from our very being any more than we can stop breathing, or any more than we can remove sweetness from sugar or liquidity from water. The Sanskrit word dharma is sometimes translated as “religion,” but dharma actually means “essential characteristic.” The dharma of fire is heat; the dharma of the soul is service to God. You are taking a name Krishna who is from Hindu religion, story is over. If you want to point out God consciousness, then say God's consciousness, don't say Krishna's consciousness, that would lead the connection with Religious. |
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