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Post by Reefs on Mar 23, 2019 0:46:40 GMT -5
I just went to some kind of guru rating website (!), where there's been a discussion. Lots of personal accounts of him, some strong positive feedback (as you would expect) and some horrible feedback akin to the fringe writer's blog. Hard to know, but I can see how running a commercial ashram could really screw up (or distort) an enlightenment. Talking of commercial ashrams, this 6 part story of Osho's ashram is worth the nearly 7 hours to watch it. It's interesting to understand each person's level of commitment to their guru and his dream. And what that can look like as such an adventure unfolds. oshorajneesh.com/wild-wild-country-watch-free-online/Thank you for posting this. Really worth watching. I wasn't aware Osho had such ambitious plans. Quite shocking actually what happened there in Oregon and seeing and hearing the original footage. I've watched 4 episodes so far. I'll get back to this when I have finished watching. Lot's of parallels to what's happening here on the forum, actually. Kinda proves the point that SR is not the end of the journey.
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2019 8:21:54 GMT -5
Killing the Buddha works three ways. We smash our idols rather than putting peeps on pedestals. Maybe we look in the mirror .. and perhaps we smile. But, concentrating all of this attention on whether a given individual is ~whateverized~ is just another way of not killing the Buddha. Speculating about realization status and proving by geometric logic what happened to the strawberry's is just the mind, doin' it's abstracty, linear thing. Who is doing that?
...just asking for clarification about how the body as a mechanistic cause idea survives the end of identification with the person.
Good question.
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2019 8:22:52 GMT -5
Killing the Buddha works three ways. We smash our idols rather than putting peeps on pedestals. Maybe we look in the mirror .. and perhaps we smile. But, concentrating all of this attention on whether a given individual is ~ whateverized~ is just another way of not killing the Buddha. Speculating about realization status and proving by geometric logic what happened to the strawberry's is just the mind, doin' it's abstracty, linear thing. Ever heard of 'mirroring'? Yes, here on the forum. It's a recurring topic, and reading it here years ago was the first time I'd encountered it.
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Post by justlikeyou on Mar 23, 2019 9:18:28 GMT -5
This is interesting wording. Do you actually see 'the whole' to be 'in the form of the body'...and that that amalgamation (body infused with the whole) to be that which directly sees? That sounds very much like: I am a body that is infused with God rather than God gives rise to the body.
Again, there seems to be a reversal of what gives rise to what. What is fundamental/abiding, vs. what is ephemeral/transient. I hear ZD saying (in my own words): the dreamer gives rise to everything in the dream. Every bit of it, the whole of it, hook, line, and sinker.
I hear ZD saying (in my own words): The Dreamer gives rise to everything in the dream. Every bit of it, the whole of it, hook, line, and sinker. A clue to the macro pointed to can be perhaps found in the micro. Examine your own dreams and see for yourself how everything in it, no matter how pleasant or frightening, seemingly real or unreal, begins and ends with you, the dreamer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 9:52:35 GMT -5
Time and space began with the big bang. The answer to the question of what preceded the big bang is "nothing," because there was no time before the big bang. A side point... I saw a video interview of a physicist recently and he mentioned that they're not "sure" there was a big bang in this way. (Brian Cox on Joe Rogan) www.youtube.com/watch?v=VznnbFMPztM It's possible the "big bang" was not a zero-point but instead a very compressed state, and there was an expanded state before it. So maybe even our "material universe" had no beginning and instead existed "forever". ... it's all incomprehensible... It renders the term of "precedes" to something quite meaningless if you think about it.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2019 10:11:36 GMT -5
Who is doing that?
...just asking for clarification about how the body as a mechanistic cause idea survives the end of identification with the person.
Of course the answer is that there is not an ending of identification with the body. It has merely become integrated and unified within the spaciousness of the unbounded as one, and where conflicting ideas about identity simply vanish from one's mind, never to return. Yes, that's a good way to state it. I use the term "psychological unity with 'what is'" to point to that integration.
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2019 16:24:05 GMT -5
most Zen people do not differentiate between experiences and realizations. Hakuin certainly did!
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