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Post by lightmystic on Jan 29, 2010 18:08:22 GMT -5
Hey Skyblue, I appreciate your response. It's as if you can go back to the memory, and ask it for the knowledge it has to give, and it seems like life arranges for that feeling to be integrated if you want to go there. It's just that there may have to be a letting go of whatever was in the way in the first place not to have that feeling all the time. But looking into that is a valuable step, if you have the inclination.... When you revisit the experience in you, can you still feel it? The only thing I feel when I revisit the experience is a slight vibration. I have memories of an incredible amount of information being fed to me but once I was out of the moment, I didn't understand it. At age 13 and with no spiritual foundation, I didn't have any frame of reference. Then I became fearful of the experience and just wanted to dismiss it from my mind. It wasn't until I was 25 and had a spiritual awakening(not referring to any enlightenment here), then I remembered what happened at age 13. I've had other experiences but that was the one where I felt my body disappear.
LightMystic and Zendancer, thank you so much for your replies. It's nice to be able to sort through these old memories.
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Post by klaus on Jan 29, 2010 19:16:21 GMT -5
lightmystic, zendancer, Question,
Question,I assume you're still seeking.
lightmystic, you have seen through the illusion by feeling resistences as they arose and worked through them until they no longer mattered to the point of That increasing and "you" decreasing to the point That realized "you" were IT.
zendancer, you have seen through the illusion by taking the intellectual route until you arrived at a dead end(exhausted every intellectual argument), at which point That realized "you" were IT.
Both ways involved surrender to That.
Question, you're still playing games and games end. What will you do then? lightmystic and zendancer stopped playing games and realized Truth.
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Post by Portto on Jan 30, 2010 20:18:53 GMT -5
yes I know this technique. So I follow the questions, end up with a fundamental one, realize that I don't know the answer, admit it, don't bother further and go play a computer game, which is more fun than solving what is per definitionem an unsolvable question. Easy life, lol. Hi Question, What do you think, what is the significance of the fact that every question we have ends up with a fundamental one that we can't answer? |
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Post by question on Jan 30, 2010 23:58:00 GMT -5
lightmystic, zendancer, Question, Question,I assume you're still seeking. lightmystic, you have seen through the illusion by feeling resistences as they arose and worked through them until they no longer mattered to the point of That increasing and "you" decreasing to the point That realized "you" were IT. zendancer, you have seen through the illusion by taking the intellectual route until you arrived at a dead end(exhausted every intellectual argument), at which point That realized "you" were IT. Both ways involved surrender to That. Question, you're still playing games and games end. What will you do then? lightmystic and zendancer stopped playing games and realized Truth. Klaus, you're absolutely right. I'm playing games. It's like, prior to a bungee jump, which I'm scared sh*tless of, I wanna do everything to avoid it or at least to delay it as much as possible. How deep will I fall? Is the ambulance ready in case something goes wrong? Check the safety belt for the 10th time, sign my last will etc etc. The other aspect is the fear of failure, you know like I'm afraid to ask the girl of my dreams out, because she might say no. The other two aspects is that I'm so much in love with, or maybe addicted to the easy life I'm having right now and there's also the sheer laziness to take the next step. I suck on so many levels, lol.  Hi Question, What do you think, what is the significance of the fact that every question we have ends up with a fundamental one that we can't answer? Porto: That's how language works, I guess. If I start at a specific question and then move onto more and more abstract questions, it's like walking from a specific point in the language- or knowledge-world and eventually arrive at its limits. And that's what the limit questions then sound like: why am I here, why is there being instead of nothingness etc. For example if you're a physicist and play this game you'll eventually arrive at the macro- and micro-limits: big bang and quantum physics. And then one is asking what was before the big bang, or, what is a quantum particle really? It's interesting that the answers turn out to be paradoxical, tautological, like an ouroboros. It's like when the language game, the mind, inquires about the conditions of the possibility of its own existence, it kinda turns back on itself, which feels extremely unsatisfying. Such answers are for example: "God is everything, or, I am, Being is, tat tvam asi, etc", and such phrases are imo absolutely meaningless and empty. In such moments I feel most trapped and closed. It's hard for me to use such questioning as a vehicle to bring about more openness other than just saying "I don't know", giving up and as Zendancer says, turn it around and just be present in that utter unavoidable failure and have no other choice but focus on what is. |
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Post by klaus on Jan 31, 2010 21:01:49 GMT -5
Question,
Alright, then stay where you are.
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Post by souley on Feb 1, 2010 15:33:29 GMT -5
Question: When people say that you cant understand it with the mind, it means that it is an experience that you have not yet had. Imagine how it feels to be a woman giving birth to a child. You can't really do that, and women can't do it either until they know how it is. You can try to imagine what enlightenment is, what being is etc, and of course it is totally unsatisfying, because it is just nothing. When you have that experience, you will know what they are talking about, until then you can't understand anything of it. I would say that you can't understand it after either, you just experienced it and because of that you know it. Understand is a misleading word.
It is not that "the mind is not smart enough/big enough/open enough to get it". It just has nothing to do with the mind. When the mind subsides, you will experience plain being/existance. When the mind doesn't subside, when you think and ask questions, you experience the mind.
Maybe I'm going too far, not being much of an expert, but you can't "understand" an experience that you have not had. I realized this after a while of searching, when I had some experiences. Previously I had thought of it as the mind not being good enough, or something like that. But afterwards it was like yeah, OK, now I have experienced something totally orthogonal from any previous experience, of course it is impossible to imagine/understand, etc.
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When you revisit the experience in you, can you still feel it?
