Why can't we bend our Reality using LOA?

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 1, 2022 21:07:52 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 1, 2022 13:24:38 GMT -5 Reefs said:

The answer to existential questions is to realize who you are. First you need to know who you are. Only then you can get any clear sense of what to do with your life, why you are here and where you are (or should be) heading.

That implies that man, even with his ego aligned to his inner-self, has the capability to understand the wider-reality (non-physical), and make pertinent decisions about that. I don't think that man is in that position, and I don't think an SR of that magnitude is possible, even if only for the reason that I believe that "truth", and "evolvement potential" for all gestalts of consciousness are infinite.

Agree. I'll give my take once more, I'm sure it will be more brief than previous. Take the Whole to be seven dimensions. The dimensions have a quantum parallel. Each dimension is infinite as far as it is concerned. A point is zero dimensional. Extend a point and you have a one dimensional line which extends to infinity. Extend a line into the second dimension, you have a plane, 2D. The plane also extends to infinity. (This is Abbott's Flatland). If you extend a plane into a 3rd dimension, you have a 3D world. So how do you extend 3D into 4D? You simply move a 3D object, which requires time, so time is 4D. But we know from Einstein time/space is the 4th dimension. So what would an extension of 4D into 5D be? You extend every moment of time, IOW, 5D is a record of every 4D moment. So 5D is eternity, which is a record of every moment in time, a living record virtually indistinguishable from the original. (Maurice Nicoll wrote a book called Living Time). Now, why do this again, explain dimensions (I could probably search and just link a former post). 5D could be a block universe, a past record of past happenings which is merely being replayed. This could account for many things, precognition for one. There was an old commercial, Is it live or is it Memorex? So if Croatia wins the World Cup, the asparagus lady could be tapping into the record in 5D, what has already happened and is just merely being played again. This is Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. This was also PD Ouspensky's pet theory, he actually believed it was true. He wrote a novel based on it, The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin. We know the idea from the film Groundhog Day, it wasn't a new idea. We know Ouspensky believed it because of his strange behavior right before he died, written about by his student Rodney Collin. Ouspensky knew he was dying, I'll not go into it, but basically Ouspensky knew he hadn't accomplished his aim, and he was sure he was going to repeat his life again, from birth.

But moving on to the 6th dimension. What would 6D be? 5D is a record of the past, 6D is the future of possibilities, a branching tree of all future possibilities. The moving present moment actualizes possibilities, "Schrodinger's Cat" is either alive or dead. The future is a superposition of possibilities. The present cuts off possibilities, what occurs, again, each successive present moment is recorded in the 5th dimension. John C Lilly called 6D Alternity.

So what is 7D? 7D is the dimension of what's impossible. This is Reefs example of a swimmer swimming an impossible race, having an impossible time. This is Richard Bach's Reluctant Messiah swimming in the desert sand like he is swimming in the ocean.

7D completes an octave, 8-D would be the Whole repeating itself, unnecessary. OK, it took me a while to get here, but here's the point:

Each dimension is complete within itself. From Flatland we know a 2D creature cannot know 3D, period. For a 2D creature to know and experience 3D, she has to become more-than-she-presently-is. The lower cannot know the higher but the higher knows the lower. There is a quantum *~gap~* between dimensions, which gives the impression there isn't anything higher. So SR could be a complete knowledge and experience (or nonexperience, or adding even CC) of 4D or even 5D, but maybe not of 6D or 7D. I would tend toward this view, as I accept the functionality of time, and SR disregards the reality of time. And this is why sdp is not a nondualist, without qualification.

Of course this is also Plato's Cave. The dude chained, escapes and climbs up and out of the cave and sees the light. He goes back into the cave to help the others, and they think he is quite mad.

[inavalan]

Dec 1, 2022 21:52:58 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Dec 1, 2022 21:07:52 GMT -5 inavalan said:

That implies that man, even with his ego aligned to his inner-self, has the capability to understand the wider-reality (non-physical), and make pertinent decisions about that. I don't think that man is in that position, and I don't think an SR of that magnitude is possible, even if only for the reason that I believe that "truth", and "evolvement potential" for all gestalts of consciousness are infinite.

Agree. I'll give my take once more, I'm sure it will be more brief than previous. Take the Whole to be seven dimensions. The dimensions have a quantum parallel. Each dimension is infinite as far as it is concerned. A point is zero dimensional. Extend a point and you have a one dimensional line which extends to infinity. Extend a line into the second dimension, you have a plane, 2D. The plane also extends to infinity. (This is Abbott's Flatland). If you extend a plane into a 3rd dimension, you have a 3D world. So how do you extend 3D into 4D? You simply move a 3D object, which requires time, so time is 4D. But we know from Einstein time/space is the 4th dimension. So what would an extension of 4D into 5D be? You extend every moment of time, IOW, 5D is a record of every 4D moment. So 5D is eternity, which is a record of every moment in time. Now, why do this again, explain dimensions (I could probably search and just link a former post). 5D could be a block universe, a past record of past happenings which is merely being replayed. This could account for many things, precognition for one. There was an old commercial, Is it live or is it Memorex? So if Croatia wins the World Cup, the asparagus lady could be tapping into the record in 5D, what has already happened and is just merely being played again. This is Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. This was also PD Ouspensky's pet theory, he actually believed it was true. He wrote a novel based on it, The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin. We know the idea from the film Groundhog Day, it wasn't a new idea. We know Ouspensky believed it because of his strange behavior right before he died, written about by his student Rodney Collin. Ouspensky knew he was dying, I'll not go into it, but basically Ouspensky knew he hadn't accomplished his aim, and he was sure he was going to repeat his life again, from birth.

But moving on to the 6th dimension. What would 6D be? 5D is a record of the past, 6D is the future of possibilities, a branching tree of all future possibilities. The moving present moment actualizes possibilities, "Schrodinger's Cat" is either alive or dead. The future is a superposition of possibilities. The present cuts off possibilities, what occurs, again, each successive present moment is recorded in the 5th dimension. John C Lilly called 6D Alternity.

So what is 7D? 7D is the dimension of what's impossible. This is Reefs example of a swimmer swimming an impossible race, having an impossible time. This is Richard Bach's Messiah swimming in the desert sand like he is swimming in the ocean.

7D completes an octave, 8-D would be the Whole repeating itself, unnecessary. OK, it took me a while to get here, but here's the point:

Each dimension is complete within itself. From Flatland we know a 2D creature cannot know 3D, period. For a 2D creature to know and experience 3D, she has to become more-than-she-presently-is. The lower cannot know the higher but the higher knows the lower. There is a quantum *~gap~* between dimensions, which gives the impression there isn't anything higher. So SR could be a complete knowledge and experience (or nonexperience) of 4D or even 5D, but maybe not of 6D or 7D. I would tend toward this view, as I accept the functionality of time, and SR disregards the reality of time. And this is why sdp is not a nondualist, without qualification.

Of course this is also Plato's Cave. The dude chained, escapes and climbs up and out of the cave and sees the light. He goes back into the cave to help the others, and they think he is quite mad.

Maybe the dude is mad. Maybe he had a dream. Maybe he's a liar. Maybe if they get outside they'll all be killed. ... Maybe he is an illusion.

My belief is that the best and the most trustworthy advice one can get is from their own inner-source of knowledge and guidance.

I'll have to re-read your explanation to understand your point better.

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 1, 2022 22:21:38 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 1, 2022 21:52:58 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Agree. I'll give my take once more, I'm sure it will be more brief than previous. Take the Whole to be seven dimensions. The dimensions have a quantum parallel. Each dimension is infinite as far as it is concerned. A point is zero dimensional. Extend a point and you have a one dimensional line which extends to infinity. Extend a line into the second dimension, you have a plane, 2D. The plane also extends to infinity. (This is Abbott's Flatland). If you extend a plane into a 3rd dimension, you have a 3D world. So how do you extend 3D into 4D? You simply move a 3D object, which requires time, so time is 4D. But we know from Einstein time/space is the 4th dimension. So what would an extension of 4D into 5D be? You extend every moment of time, IOW, 5D is a record of every 4D moment. So 5D is eternity, which is a record of every moment in time. Now, why do this again, explain dimensions (I could probably search and just link a former post). 5D could be a block universe, a past record of past happenings which is merely being replayed. This could account for many things, precognition for one. There was an old commercial, Is it live or is it Memorex? So if Croatia wins the World Cup, the asparagus lady could be tapping into the record in 5D, what has already happened and is just merely being played again. This is Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. This was also PD Ouspensky's pet theory, he actually believed it was true. He wrote a novel based on it, The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin. We know the idea from the film Groundhog Day, it wasn't a new idea. We know Ouspensky believed it because of his strange behavior right before he died, written about by his student Rodney Collin. Ouspensky knew he was dying, I'll not go into it, but basically Ouspensky knew he hadn't accomplished his aim, and he was sure he was going to repeat his life again, from birth.

But moving on to the 6th dimension. What would 6D be? 5D is a record of the past, 6D is the future of possibilities, a branching tree of all future possibilities. The moving present moment actualizes possibilities, "Schrodinger's Cat" is either alive or dead. The future is a superposition of possibilities. The present cuts off possibilities, what occurs, again, each successive present moment is recorded in the 5th dimension. John C Lilly called 6D Alternity.

So what is 7D? 7D is the dimension of what's impossible. This is Reefs example of a swimmer swimming an impossible race, having an impossible time. This is Richard Bach's Messiah swimming in the desert sand like he is swimming in the ocean.

7D completes an octave, 8-D would be the Whole repeating itself, unnecessary. OK, it took me a while to get here, but here's the point:

Each dimension is complete within itself. From Flatland we know a 2D creature cannot know 3D, period. For a 2D creature to know and experience 3D, she has to become more-than-she-presently-is. The lower cannot know the higher but the higher knows the lower. There is a quantum *~gap~* between dimensions, which gives the impression there isn't anything higher. So SR could be a complete knowledge and experience (or nonexperience) of 4D or even 5D, but maybe not of 6D or 7D. I would tend toward this view, as I accept the functionality of time, and SR disregards the reality of time. And this is why sdp is not a nondualist, without qualification.

Of course this is also Plato's Cave. The dude chained, escapes and climbs up and out of the cave and sees the light. He goes back into the cave to help the others, and they think he is quite mad.

Maybe the dude is mad. Maybe he had a dream. Maybe he's a liar. Maybe if they get outside they'll all be killed. ... Maybe he is an illusion.

My belief is that the best and the most trustworthy advice one can get is from their own inner-source of knowledge and guidance.

I'll have to re-read your explanation to understand your point better.

To be fair, the point is really for the SR here. But the explanation of dimensions was for you, I appreciate the like. Reefs tired to explain SR to you today I think it was. I'm not much interested in SR, it doesn't compute for me.

[inavalan]

Dec 1, 2022 21:52:58 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Dec 1, 2022 21:07:52 GMT -5 inavalan said:

That implies that man, even with his ego aligned to his inner-self, has the capability to understand the wider-reality (non-physical), and make pertinent decisions about that. I don't think that man is in that position, and I don't think an SR of that magnitude is possible, even if only for the reason that I believe that "truth", and "evolvement potential" for all gestalts of consciousness are infinite.

Agree. I'll give my take once more, I'm sure it will be more brief than previous. Take the Whole to be seven dimensions. The dimensions have a quantum parallel. Each dimension is infinite as far as it is concerned. A point is zero dimensional. Extend a point and you have a one dimensional line which extends to infinity. Extend a line into the second dimension, you have a plane, 2D. The plane also extends to infinity. (This is Abbott's Flatland). If you extend a plane into a 3rd dimension, you have a 3D world. So how do you extend 3D into 4D? You simply move a 3D object, which requires time, so time is 4D. But we know from Einstein time/space is the 4th dimension. So what would an extension of 4D into 5D be? You extend every moment of time, IOW, 5D is a record of every 4D moment. So 5D is eternity, which is a record of every moment in time, a living record virtually indistinguishable from the original. (Maurice Nicoll wrote a book called Living Time). Now, why do this again, explain dimensions (I could probably search and just link a former post). 5D could be a block universe, a past record of past happenings which is merely being replayed. This could account for many things, precognition for one. There was an old commercial, Is it live or is it Memorex? So if Croatia wins the World Cup, the asparagus lady could be tapping into the record in 5D, what has already happened and is just merely being played again. This is Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. This was also PD Ouspensky's pet theory, he actually believed it was true. He wrote a novel based on it, The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin. We know the idea from the film Groundhog Day, it wasn't a new idea. We know Ouspensky believed it because of his strange behavior right before he died, written about by his student Rodney Collin. Ouspensky knew he was dying, I'll not go into it, but basically Ouspensky knew he hadn't accomplished his aim, and he was sure he was going to repeat his life again, from birth.

But moving on to the 6th dimension. What would 6D be? 5D is a record of the past, 6D is the future of possibilities, a branching tree of all future possibilities. The moving present moment actualizes possibilities, "Schrodinger's Cat" is either alive or dead. The future is a superposition of possibilities. The present cuts off possibilities, what occurs, again, each successive present moment is recorded in the 5th dimension. John C Lilly called 6D Alternity.

So what is 7D? 7D is the dimension of what's impossible. This is Reefs example of a swimmer swimming an impossible race, having an impossible time. This is Richard Bach's Reluctant Messiah swimming in the desert sand like he is swimming in the ocean.

7D completes an octave, 8-D would be the Whole repeating itself, unnecessary. OK, it took me a while to get here, but here's the point:

Each dimension is complete within itself. From Flatland we know a 2D creature cannot know 3D, period. For a 2D creature to know and experience 3D, she has to become more-than-she-presently-is. The lower cannot know the higher but the higher knows the lower. There is a quantum *~gap~* between dimensions, which gives the impression there isn't anything higher. So SR could be a complete knowledge and experience (or nonexperience, or adding even CC) of 4D or even 5D, but maybe not of 6D or 7D. I would tend toward this view, as I accept the functionality of time, and SR disregards the reality of time. And this is why sdp is not a nondualist, without qualification.

Of course this is also Plato's Cave. The dude chained, escapes and climbs up and out of the cave and sees the light. He goes back into the cave to help the others, and they think he is quite mad.

Getting back to your post. I think that I largely understand your model. One concept I believe, and might not be clearly stated there, is that from the present "point of power" (time, 3d space, probability), your subconscious continuously creates paths on all three hyper-directions, which are perceived by the ego as actual physical past, present, and future. This is the reason for which I stated in another post earlier today that there is no karma and there is no cause -effect in commonly accepted terms. You have an effect in the present, so you create a past to fit it. This explains the double-slit experiment regarding wave-particle dualism. This explains many of the so called synchronicities. This also means that your present is affected by future probable events too. It means that if you make a choice, to some degree the choice you didn't make has some effect on you too.

I wonder in your multidimensional model, where would be the dream reality?

[stardustpilgrim]

Dec 1, 2022 23:42:27 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Dec 1, 2022 21:52:58 GMT -5 stardustpilgrim said:

Agree. I'll give my take once more, I'm sure it will be more brief than previous. Take the Whole to be seven dimensions. The dimensions have a quantum parallel. Each dimension is infinite as far as it is concerned. A point is zero dimensional. Extend a point and you have a one dimensional line which extends to infinity. Extend a line into the second dimension, you have a plane, 2D. The plane also extends to infinity. (This is Abbott's Flatland). If you extend a plane into a 3rd dimension, you have a 3D world. So how do you extend 3D into 4D? You simply move a 3D object, which requires time, so time is 4D. But we know from Einstein time/space is the 4th dimension. So what would an extension of 4D into 5D be? You extend every moment of time, IOW, 5D is a record of every 4D moment. So 5D is eternity, which is a record of every moment in time, a living record virtually indistinguishable from the original. (Maurice Nicoll wrote a book called Living Time). Now, why do this again, explain dimensions (I could probably search and just link a former post). 5D could be a block universe, a past record of past happenings which is merely being replayed. This could account for many things, precognition for one. There was an old commercial, Is it live or is it Memorex? So if Croatia wins the World Cup, the asparagus lady could be tapping into the record in 5D, what has already happened and is just merely being played again. This is Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. This was also PD Ouspensky's pet theory, he actually believed it was true. He wrote a novel based on it, The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin. We know the idea from the film Groundhog Day, it wasn't a new idea. We know Ouspensky believed it because of his strange behavior right before he died, written about by his student Rodney Collin. Ouspensky knew he was dying, I'll not go into it, but basically Ouspensky knew he hadn't accomplished his aim, and he was sure he was going to repeat his life again, from birth.

But moving on to the 6th dimension. What would 6D be? 5D is a record of the past, 6D is the future of possibilities, a branching tree of all future possibilities. The moving present moment actualizes possibilities, "Schrodinger's Cat" is either alive or dead. The future is a superposition of possibilities. The present cuts off possibilities, what occurs, again, each successive present moment is recorded in the 5th dimension. John C Lilly called 6D Alternity.

So what is 7D? 7D is the dimension of what's impossible. This is Reefs example of a swimmer swimming an impossible race, having an impossible time. This is Richard Bach's Reluctant Messiah swimming in the desert sand like he is swimming in the ocean.

7D completes an octave, 8-D would be the Whole repeating itself, unnecessary. OK, it took me a while to get here, but here's the point:

Each dimension is complete within itself. From Flatland we know a 2D creature cannot know 3D, period. For a 2D creature to know and experience 3D, she has to become more-than-she-presently-is. The lower cannot know the higher but the higher knows the lower. There is a quantum *~gap~* between dimensions, which gives the impression there isn't anything higher. So SR could be a complete knowledge and experience (or nonexperience, or adding even CC) of 4D or even 5D, but maybe not of 6D or 7D. I would tend toward this view, as I accept the functionality of time, and SR disregards the reality of time. And this is why sdp is not a nondualist, without qualification.

Of course this is also Plato's Cave. The dude chained, escapes and climbs up and out of the cave and sees the light. He goes back into the cave to help the others, and they think he is quite mad.

Getting back to your post. I think that I largely understand your model. One concept I believe, and might not be clearly stated there, is that from the present "point of power" (time, 3d space, probability), your subconscious continuously creates paths on all three hyper-directions, which are perceived by the ego as actual physical past, present, and future. This is the reason for which I stated in another post earlier today that there is no karma and there is no cause -effect in commonly accepted terms. You have an effect in the present, so you create a past to fit it. This explains the double-slit experiment regarding wave-particle dualism. This explains many of the so called synchronicities. This also means that your present is affected by future probable events too. It means that if you make a choice, to some degree the choice you didn't make has some effect on you too.

I wonder in your multidimensional model, where would be the dream reality?

The Teaching is taken from the standpoint of one lifetime, that the journey can be completed in one lifetime. (There are some not so subtle hints about the long journey, but these are not emphasized. The long journey can be avoided). There is also mention of the capacity to change the past. But the point is that karma is not inevitable. I've only had a tiny taste of what you say here (written about several times here, having a nine second ~preview~ of cutting my hand washing dishes) and a (helpful) demonstration, not written about here (or anywhere), but very significant. Let's just say I know time and space are not obstacles for certain individuals. So I know beyond any possibility of doubt that what you write about is correct. I may put some quotes about time on another thread.

The deepest level of the individuation, is called Real I. So it's possible dreams can arise from different sources, aspects. There's almost no emphasis on dreams however.