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Fasting
Nov 17, 2018 2:24:15 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 17, 2018 2:24:15 GMT -5
Okay I've just found out Tess Hughes is associated with Richard Rose. And Art Ticknor. As this is the fasting thread I just saw the name Tess Hughes and this was on her site the part on taking a media fast, is a fascinating and important read in this digital age. We've been focusing mainly on food but read on. You can find this on Tess Hughes site. What follows is a letter Art Ticknor sent to participants for an upcoming retreat; guidelines to prepare themselves to get most benefit from the intensive period of self inquiry. Fasting, and not just food fasting, is a means of generating mental clarity, which facilitates deep inquiry and examination into oneself. I’d encourage you to read or review Blindsight & Group Efforts to help get you thinking about the retreat. In people’s initial preparation plans for a retreat last year, no one mentioned fasting as a possible form of preparation. Here’s what I replied (you may remember 🙂 in my feedback then concerning the vast potential payoff in terms of clarity: Usually we associate the term with not eating, Yeah because that's what the term means!, It being the one aspect that defines 'fasting' Really? It's due to fasting rather than a complete change in circumstances? Just because fasting is a particular form of abstinence doen't make 'fasting' mean abstinence. 'Fasting' has nothing to do with sex. It means a period without eating. Eating isn't just a habit we can give up. Good points, but nothing to do with fasting. That was convoluted because it started out with fasting and then went into all habit of all kinds. In the end he said nothing about fasting, nutrition, or the body's metabolic process. He makes so reasonable points, but to call all that 'fasting' is nonsensical.
It just goes to show that the positivity experienced on the first mentioned retreat entailed a whole host of changes from social media to shopping, and naturally, removing all these stimulating distractions creates conditions which are 'refreshing', shall we say.
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Fasting
Nov 17, 2018 2:45:43 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 17, 2018 2:45:43 GMT -5
Stem cells? I didn't know that. Interesting. $1.99/day. Firstly, the speaker claims he works with a researcher but he didn't mention the researcher's name, or discuss the findings, or cite the literature produced, so that sounds pretty sketchy.
Then a few vacuous statements such as 'that's why detox and cleansing always works'...
Then he seems to question if we don't eat we will be malnourished and die... which is a real thing. People (and all living organisms) do starve to death.
He mentioned his unnamed, unreferenced 'research scientist' again.
He had nothing substantial to say in that video.
I'm not against fasting and there is a bulk of verified literature available on it, and it has been shown to help the body's natural immune processes in clinically controlled practice, but it isn't sustainable, and the only realistic solution to health and well being as far as eating/not eating is concerned, is a well balanced whole food diet which provides sufficient calories with a proper nutrient distribution.
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Fasting
Nov 17, 2018 16:26:01 GMT -5
Post by bluey on Nov 17, 2018 16:26:01 GMT -5
Okay I've just found out Tess Hughes is associated with Richard Rose. And Art Ticknor. As this is the fasting thread I just saw the name Tess Hughes and this was on her site the part on taking a media fast, is a fascinating and important read in this digital age. We've been focusing mainly on food but read on. You can find this on Tess Hughes site. What follows is a letter Art Ticknor sent to participants for an upcoming retreat; guidelines to prepare themselves to get most benefit from the intensive period of self inquiry. Fasting, and not just food fasting, is a means of generating mental clarity, which facilitates deep inquiry and examination into oneself. I’d encourage you to read or review Blindsight & Group Efforts to help get you thinking about the retreat. In people’s initial preparation plans for a retreat last year, no one mentioned fasting as a possible form of preparation. Here’s what I replied (you may remember 🙂 in my feedback then concerning the vast potential payoff in terms of clarity: Usually we associate the term with not eating, Yeah because that's what the term means!, It being the one aspect that defines 'fasting' Really? It's due to fasting rather than a complete change in circumstances? Just because fasting is a particular form of abstinence doen't make 'fasting' mean abstinence. 'Fasting' has nothing to do with sex. It means a period without eating. Eating isn't just a habit we can give up. Good points, but nothing to do with fasting. That was convoluted because it started out with fasting and then went into all habit of all kinds. In the end he said nothing about fasting, nutrition, or the body's metabolic process. He makes so reasonable points, but to call all that 'fasting' is nonsensical.
It just goes to show that the positivity experienced on the first mentioned retreat entailed a whole host of changes from social media to shopping, and naturally, removing all these stimulating distractions creates conditions which are 'refreshing', shall we say.
Art Ticknor may be pointing at what Silicon Valley and some business insiders are terming digital fasting or digital detox. I don't know him but it may be worth emailing him to understand his use of the term digital fasting. How this term gives shape in the future is still a grey area. Yes fasting has been associated with food but it seems in this digital age where knowledge is food some studies are finding that increased use of digital information may not necessarily be bringing people to more greater understanding. I posted on the decrease of people's IQ scores since the 70's in another post. Obviously Art Ticknor is pointing at This. He may have to expand on his use of the term but it may be a term that is just being birthed. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/3049138/what-really-happens-to-your-brain-and-body-during-a-digital-detox
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Fasting
Nov 18, 2018 6:37:25 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 18, 2018 6:37:25 GMT -5
Stem cells? I didn't know that. Interesting. $1.99/day. Firstly, the speaker claims he works with a researcher but he didn't mention the researcher's name, or discuss the findings, or cite the literature produced, so that sounds pretty sketchy. Then a few vacuous statements such as 'that's why detox and cleansing always works'...
Then he seems to question if we don't eat we will be malnourished and die... which is a real thing. People (and all living organisms) do starve to death. He mentioned his unnamed, unreferenced 'research scientist' again.
He had nothing substantial to say in that video. I'm not against fasting and there is a bulk of verified literature available on it, and it has been shown to help the body's natural immune processes in clinically controlled practice, but it isn't sustainable, and the only realistic solution to health and well being as far as eating/not eating is concerned, is a well balanced whole food diet which provides sufficient calories with a proper nutrient distribution.
I don't know of anyone who suggested fasting as a permanent life style. The basic idea of fasting is to give the body a rest from the heavy work load of constantly having to digest food so that the body can focus all its energy on self-healing. So usually fasting is recommended once or twice a year for a longer period of time (a week or two). As for Dr. Edward Group, he actually did a 18 day water only fast. He documented every day on video. You can find those videos on youtube where he mentions a lot of the research that has been done on fasting and he also adds his own personal experiences. Really good information there. I'll quote some of those in later posts.
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Fasting
Nov 18, 2018 7:03:52 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 18, 2018 7:03:52 GMT -5
Firstly, the speaker claims he works with a researcher but he didn't mention the researcher's name, or discuss the findings, or cite the literature produced, so that sounds pretty sketchy. Then a few vacuous statements such as 'that's why detox and cleansing always works'...
Then he seems to question if we don't eat we will be malnourished and die... which is a real thing. People (and all living organisms) do starve to death. He mentioned his unnamed, unreferenced 'research scientist' again.
He had nothing substantial to say in that video. I'm not against fasting and there is a bulk of verified literature available on it, and it has been shown to help the body's natural immune processes in clinically controlled practice, but it isn't sustainable, and the only realistic solution to health and well being as far as eating/not eating is concerned, is a well balanced whole food diet which provides sufficient calories with a proper nutrient distribution.
I don't know of anyone who suggested fasting as a permanent life style. The basic idea of fasting is to give the body a rest from the heavy work load of constantly having to digest food so that the body can focus all its energy on self-healing. So usually fasting is recommended once or twice a year for a longer period of time (a week or two). As for Dr. Edward Group, he actually did a 18 day water only fast. He documented every day on video. You can find those videos on youtube where he mentions a lot of the research that has been done on fasting and he also adds his own personal experiences. Really good information there. I'll quote some of those in later posts. I'll check that out.
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Fasting
Nov 18, 2018 7:14:24 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 18, 2018 7:14:24 GMT -5
I don't know of anyone who suggested fasting as a permanent life style. The basic idea of fasting is to give the body a rest from the heavy work load of constantly having to digest food so that the body can focus all its energy on self-healing. So usually fasting is recommended once or twice a year for a longer period of time (a week or two). As for Dr. Edward Group, he actually did a 18 day water only fast. He documented every day on video. You can find those videos on youtube where he mentions a lot of the research that has been done on fasting and he also adds his own personal experiences. Really good information there. I'll quote some of those in later posts. I'll check that out. playlist here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buk4NuWfPzM&list=PLOOnUhETUbdEyMcig7Hh8P7ojODgpSt4K
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Post by lolly on Nov 19, 2018 1:04:31 GMT -5
I watched an interview with Dr. Goldhamer which was highly informative and well balanced in terms of positives and negatives of prolonged water-only fasting. Dr. Group is an excellent host interviewer.
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Fasting
Nov 19, 2018 1:49:55 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 19, 2018 1:49:55 GMT -5
I just want to clarify that Dr Group is a Chiropractor and naturopath, and has some qualification in 'nutrition' (not a dietician). Group's Global Healing Centre site sells a large range of dietary supplements (which always set off 'alarm bells'). Most of these products do not list the nutrients, or active ingredients, and do not specify doses thereof. That is a sure sign of scammery. The words 'proprietary blend' translates to 'useless' in the food supplement industry. His other supplements, such as vegan B12, are astronomically over priced at a dollar per dose. The instructions say to take one dose per day... and it looks like he's dosing at 2500 micrograms when the RDI is between 2.5 and 6 micrograms. Ok? so he quacks somewhat like a duck to sell his bogus supplements, detox kits, health kits, cleansing kits, skin care, and all that hocum. Group is NOT a reliable information source.
(And he lied about working with a researcher as a research subject)
Oh, and of course his break-fast on day 18 starts with his supplements (rolly eyes).
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Fasting
Nov 19, 2018 2:48:00 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 19, 2018 2:48:00 GMT -5
A fellow with a serious condition of obesity approaches 'Group', who responds by making some speculative diagnoses and sell him his bogus supplementation products. He did not say anything about a calorie deficit, which is the critical information. He did not explain the macronutrient distribution of said calories. He took advantage of the fellow's dire condition, state of desperation, ignorance and gullibility to sell a very large order of useless food supplements. Group knows he is not informing him. He knows he's taking the opportunity to sell his ambiguous (I'm putting it nicely) products on his 1800 number. In short, Group is misleading vulnerable people for profit, which raises some serious ethical questions.
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Fasting
Nov 20, 2018 5:15:46 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 20, 2018 5:15:46 GMT -5
Never heard these words. But if that's what's going on during longer periods of fasting, that would explain why it is so highly effective, especially in cases of so-called 'terminal' diseases.
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Fasting
Nov 27, 2018 11:56:33 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 27, 2018 11:56:33 GMT -5
I had the exact same realization. Shocking indeed. Fasting gives you like 5-6 extra hours per day, or more (depending on your diet and if you are eating mostly at home or eating out).
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Fasting
Nov 30, 2018 11:06:54 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Nov 30, 2018 11:06:54 GMT -5
Honestly guys, since I watched Group his videos are fed to my you tube, so I watched a couple more, and really, he's such a flake.
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Fasting
Nov 30, 2018 12:30:13 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 30, 2018 12:30:13 GMT -5
Correct. However, running around all day with a busy schedule as Group does and even going to the gym every day for about an hour workout during a fast seems a bit counter-intuitive.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 4, 2018 8:59:17 GMT -5
Honestly guys, since I watched Group his videos are fed to my you tube, so I watched a couple more, and really, he's such a flake. He seems sincere on the fasting issue. That's why I recommended his videos on fasting. If you've watched the playlist I posted, you'll also see that. The reason he did such a long fast was because he wanted to speak from first hand experience and he also wanted to prove that a busy life is no excuse to not fast. So he basically got his first hand experience and he also proved what he wanted to prove. What is also very interesting to watch is how his attitude slowly changes. During the first few days he comes across as very mind driven and determined but after a week into the fast his approach softens. He actually starts listening more to his inner guidance, takes days off from work, checks into a spa and just enjoys being. It's an interesting transformation. And everyone who has done a longer fast will understand what happened here. People do fasting for all kinds of reasons (they think). Mostly they say it's because they want to get healthy again, or younger instead of old or just feel better. But what most seem to discover is that the main event isn't the improvement in health or emotional state of being, the main in improvement is on a spiritual level. In fact, the changes that happen on a spiritual level during a fast seems to be the most memorable changes. I've watched a lot of videos lately about fasting and people telling their experiences and this seems to be a common denominator for people who do longer fasts (beyond 5 days). Fascinating stories.
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Post by lolly on Dec 4, 2018 9:21:13 GMT -5
Honestly guys, since I watched Group his videos are fed to my you tube, so I watched a couple more, and really, he's such a flake. He seems sincere on the fasting issue. That's why I recommended his videos on fasting. If you've watched the playlist I posted, you'll also see that. The reason he did such a long fast was because he wanted to speak from first hand experience and he also wanted to prove that a busy life is no excuse to not fast. So he basically got his first hand experience and he also proved what he wanted to prove. What is also very interesting to watch is how his attitude slowly changes. During the first few days he comes across as very mind driven and determined but after a week into the fast his approach softens. He actually starts listening more to his inner guidance, takes days off from work, checks into a spa and just enjoys being. It's an interesting transformation. And everyone who has done a longer fast will understand what happened here. People do fasting for all kinds of reasons (they think). Mostly they say it's because they want to get healthy again, or younger instead of old or just feel better. But what most seem to discover is that the main event isn't the improvement in health or emotional state of being, the main in improvement is on a spiritual level. In fact, the changes that happen on a spiritual level during a fast seems to be the most memorable changes. I've watched a lot of videos lately about fasting and people telling their experiences and this seems to be a common denominator for people who do longer fasts (beyond 5 days). Fascinating stories. I scanned through the videos, which didn't prove anything, and perhaps he didn't even stick to fast for all I know, He may have, but there are reasons to mistrust Group.
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