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Aug 10, 2018 5:35:33 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Aug 10, 2018 5:35:33 GMT -5
I have lived in remote locations without electricity and other mod cons, and because there is nothing much to do at night, people crash out rather than waste a lot of firewood with is hard work to chop up. Sleep is pretty much the same because when you spend the day digging, weeding, chopping and carrying heavy sh!t up steep hills, you fall asleep pretty easy at night, and wake with the roosters. A typical night would be to nod off at like 9 and get moving about 4.
This Seth says some good stuff, but also says things that simple aren't true. Besides, we do NOT live in such conditions, like cavemen, and have a completely different environment, so all this romanticism of 'we should eat what cavemen ate' is crapola. Even then diets were different depending on where one lived and what time of the year it was. There is no 'human diet', and there never has been.
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Aug 10, 2018 8:24:03 GMT -5
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Personally I eat pretty much like Seth said, maybe 4 or 5 meals during the day, and I have a couple of snacks on fruit during the night, so personally, I'm with Seth, but I don't preach it as gospel because I'm not a flake.
For another person, that isn't appropriate. If a person is not active and obese it's possible that intermittent fasting could be a great strategy (one of many) for reducing calories. It really could be the best strategy for certain individuals so long as it suits them.
On another tangent, when I undertook serious meditation retreat, the tradition is to eat breakfast at 6 and lunch at 11 - nothing for the rest of the day/night , which is a version of intermittaaent fasting, and considered optimal for meditation.
Theravada Buddhist retreat? I've considered visiting one nearby. I eat two meals every day and fast. Usually eat lunch around three then nap for an hour or so and eat a very light meal around eight or so. Then a small snack before bed. Could never eat in the a.m. I feel sick if I do.
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Aug 10, 2018 8:30:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:30:45 GMT -5
I have lived in remote locations without electricity and other mod cons, and because there is nothing much to do at night, people crash out rather than waste a lot of firewood with is hard work to chop up. Sleep is pretty much the same because when you spend the day digging, weeding, chopping and carrying heavy sh!t up steep hills, you fall asleep pretty easy at night, and wake with the roosters. A typical night would be to nod off at like 9 and get moving about 4. This Seth says some good stuff, but also says things that simple aren't true. Besides, we do NOT live in such conditions, like cavemen, and have a completely different environment, so all this romanticism of 'we should eat what cavemen ate' is crapola. Even then diets were different depending on where one lived and what time of the year it was. There is no 'human diet', and there never has been. Yes. Hunter, gatherer cultures, which I think most stone age cultures were, feasted after a hunt then they fasted until the next hunt. But you are right we don't really know. When I backpacked for long periods we slept til sunrise.
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Aug 10, 2018 17:30:21 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Aug 10, 2018 17:30:21 GMT -5
I have lived in remote locations without electricity and other mod cons, and because there is nothing much to do at night, people crash out rather than waste a lot of firewood with is hard work to chop up. Sleep is pretty much the same because when you spend the day digging, weeding, chopping and carrying heavy sh!t up steep hills, you fall asleep pretty easy at night, and wake with the roosters. A typical night would be to nod off at like 9 and get moving about 4. This Seth says some good stuff, but also says things that simple aren't true. Besides, we do NOT live in such conditions, like cavemen, and have a completely different environment, so all this romanticism of 'we should eat what cavemen ate' is crapola. Even then diets were different depending on where one lived and what time of the year it was. There is no 'human diet', and there never has been. Yes. Hunter, gatherer cultures, which I think most stone age cultures were, feasted after a hunt then they fasted until the next hunt. But you are right we don't really know. When I backpacked for long periods we slept til sunrise. We were 'designed' like most animals, to 'make hay while the sun shines', so when there's a lot of food about we take advantage and aquire body fat which is needed for the lean times. Basic problem nowdays is, there ain't no lean times, and calorie dense/low ntrition food is bountiful and cheap. I mean imagine feeding kids fruitloops for breakfast... of all the breakfast options, sugary cereal is the most popular. It means we don't only have an abundance of affordable 'unhealthy food', but it's been socially normalised by clever marketing. It's actually abnormal to have healthy eating patterns now days. It's normal to go on a diet, but seriously, the very idea of 'going on a diet' would be unthinkable to any caveman... such is the irony of paleo.
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Sept 7, 2018 15:56:49 GMT -5
Post by bluey on Sept 7, 2018 15:56:49 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I saw a PBS special on intermittent fasting. It basically dealt with it from the perspective of health benefits of calorie restriction (CR). The reporter looked at and tried three different ways. One was the 3 & 1/2 day fast, recommended no more than once a month (the 1/2 day is basically sleeping the last night). From experiments CR leads to longer life in mice. Another method was alternate days, eat normal one day, the next day eat no more than 600 calories ("fast" 3 days a week). I don't remember precisely the 3rd method, but it was something like eat normal 2 days out of three, fast the 3rd day. I didn't quite make it my first try. I was doing fine but I was doing a kitchen remodel on the 3rd day and the homeowners were getting take-out pizza for lunch and invited me to pizza. This was a pretty rare invite, so I caved in. Next try again I did fine, didn't get hungry. I walked regularly (2 miles) and continued. The 3rd day I felt physically weaker but walked with no problem. I still was not hungry the 4th day, but I had decided to do the 3 & 1/2 days so went back to eating. Oh, not eating period, for me, was easier than eating a little (tried also the 600 calorie "fast"). I have continued to experiment with intermittent fasting. About a month ago I found a cheap used book, The 8 Hour Diet. I've been doing that pretty regularly (mostly week days, weekends are harder). You eat all the food you are going to eat for a 24 hour period within 8 hours. Whenever you eat your first food you eat your last food no more than 8 hours later. I like to snack at night watching TV, so this commitment is a way to break that. About a year ago I discovered I'm on the borderline to being diabetic (too much sugar still in the blood after 8 hours fasting, your sugar should be below at least 100 after 8 hours fasting. That's one way to check. Another way is to see how fast/how much your sugar comes down after eating). So I started studying up on what to do to avoid having to take medication. Basically, no sugar, no bread (especially white bread, bread turns almost immediately into sugar after eating). No fruit juices (which have tons of sugar). Limit salt. No processed food. Limit restaurant eating. Another main factor is how much you weigh. So I lost 46 lbs in about six months. My blood pressure is also borderline high. When I got down to 190 lbs my blood pressure came to normal. At first I followed basically The China Study diet, no meat a part of it. I started eating some meat and gaining some weight back, my blood pressure started going up again. Looks like I'm going to have to totally cut out sweets (again) to lose the weight I've gained, my sweet ice tea is the hardest thing to drop. A guy I worked with over 40 years ago experimented with fasting. He said when your appetite comes back is a signal to stop your fast. I would not do a fast longer than the 3 & 1/2 days without more research. I'm sure ZD will eventually chime in, he has written before here about a disaster fasting, that was enough warning for me. From the PBS special they talked about a blood-work number that should be lowered for good health. One way to lower this number is intermittent fasting. Any of the 3 methods discussed on the program lowers that number. Off had I do not remember that term, I probably have it in notes somewhere. I think I recall that keeping that number low slows the aging process. The 2nd best book I found on loosing weight is called The Leptin Diet. A hormone called leptin basically controls our eating habits. So if you can control leptin, you can loose weight. This guy has five rules, which work very well. (One of the rules is eat breakfast, but he goes into that in the book. He says you can skip breakfast if skipping does not make you eat more later. So he is OK with the 8 hour diet). www.wellnessresources.com/news/the-five-rules-of-the-leptin-diet Did you read the book The China Study by Colin Campbell. If so what did you think? I was watching a BBC documentary on fitness and health called The Truth About Getting Fit with Michael Mosley where he teams up with some scientists whose latest research is turning common knowledge on fitness on its head to separate fact from fiction. You should be able to view it on YouTube A few people at work who have had high blood pressure and other problems asked me on book recommendations as they had their conditions for a while and as I was looking at trends to do with fashion and leather, PETA and the fur industry I came across Vegan fashion and then as you do the search goes elsewhere and I ended up looking at Dr Michael Gregers book Bird Flu A Virus Of Our Own Hatching and How Not To Die and his recommendation on diet. His book Bird Flu is a good read. And Dr Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Dean Ornish who had helped President Clinton recover after his stroke. But their vegetarian and vegan diets have seemed to have worked for some of the people at work and family friends. One of the boss's was meant to have been fitted with a pace maker but one of those diets sorted him out too.
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Sept 7, 2018 18:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 7, 2018 18:28:59 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I saw a PBS special on intermittent fasting. It basically dealt with it from the perspective of health benefits of calorie restriction (CR). The reporter looked at and tried three different ways. One was the 3 & 1/2 day fast, recommended no more than once a month (the 1/2 day is basically sleeping the last night). From experiments CR leads to longer life in mice. Another method was alternate days, eat normal one day, the next day eat no more than 600 calories ("fast" 3 days a week). I don't remember precisely the 3rd method, but it was something like eat normal 2 days out of three, fast the 3rd day. I didn't quite make it my first try. I was doing fine but I was doing a kitchen remodel on the 3rd day and the homeowners were getting take-out pizza for lunch and invited me to pizza. This was a pretty rare invite, so I caved in. Next try again I did fine, didn't get hungry. I walked regularly (2 miles) and continued. The 3rd day I felt physically weaker but walked with no problem. I still was not hungry the 4th day, but I had decided to do the 3 & 1/2 days so went back to eating. Oh, not eating period, for me, was easier than eating a little (tried also the 600 calorie "fast"). I have continued to experiment with intermittent fasting. About a month ago I found a cheap used book, The 8 Hour Diet. I've been doing that pretty regularly (mostly week days, weekends are harder). You eat all the food you are going to eat for a 24 hour period within 8 hours. Whenever you eat your first food you eat your last food no more than 8 hours later. I like to snack at night watching TV, so this commitment is a way to break that. About a year ago I discovered I'm on the borderline to being diabetic (too much sugar still in the blood after 8 hours fasting, your sugar should be below at least 100 after 8 hours fasting. That's one way to check. Another way is to see how fast/how much your sugar comes down after eating). So I started studying up on what to do to avoid having to take medication. Basically, no sugar, no bread (especially white bread, bread turns almost immediately into sugar after eating). No fruit juices (which have tons of sugar). Limit salt. No processed food. Limit restaurant eating. Another main factor is how much you weigh. So I lost 46 lbs in about six months. My blood pressure is also borderline high. When I got down to 190 lbs my blood pressure came to normal. At first I followed basically The China Study diet, no meat a part of it. I started eating some meat and gaining some weight back, my blood pressure started going up again. Looks like I'm going to have to totally cut out sweets (again) to lose the weight I've gained, my sweet ice tea is the hardest thing to drop. A guy I worked with over 40 years ago experimented with fasting. He said when your appetite comes back is a signal to stop your fast. I would not do a fast longer than the 3 & 1/2 days without more research. I'm sure ZD will eventually chime in, he has written before here about a disaster fasting, that was enough warning for me. From the PBS special they talked about a blood-work number that should be lowered for good health. One way to lower this number is intermittent fasting. Any of the 3 methods discussed on the program lowers that number. Off had I do not remember that term, I probably have it in notes somewhere. I think I recall that keeping that number low slows the aging process. The 2nd best book I found on loosing weight is called The Leptin Diet. A hormone called leptin basically controls our eating habits. So if you can control leptin, you can loose weight. This guy has five rules, which work very well. (One of the rules is eat breakfast, but he goes into that in the book. He says you can skip breakfast if skipping does not make you eat more later. So he is OK with the 8 hour diet). www.wellnessresources.com/news/the-five-rules-of-the-leptin-diet Did you read the book The China Study by Colin Campbell. If so what did you think? I was watching a BBC documentary on fitness and health called The Truth About Getting Fit with Michael Mosley where he teams up with some scientists whose latest research is turning common knowledge on fitness on its head to separate fact from fiction. You should be able to view it on YouTube A few people at work who have had high blood pressure and other problems asked me on book recommendations as they had their conditions for a while and as I was looking at trends to do with fashion and leather, PETA and the fur industry I came across Vegan fashion and then as you do the search goes elsewhere and I ended up looking at Dr Michael Gregers book Bird Flu A Virus Of Our Own Hatching and How Not To Die and his recommendation on diet. His book Bird Flu is a good read. And Dr Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Dean Ornish who had helped President Clinton recover after his stroke. But their vegetarian and vegan diets have seemed to have worked for some of the people at work and family friends. One of the boss's was meant to have been fitted with a pace maker but one of those diets sorted him out too.Β Hey bluey, yes, I read the China Study by Campbell. I was very impressed. I knew I had my first Medicare physical coming up, have been borderline hypertension for years, so January 2017 stopped eating any meat whatsoever (a key part of the China Study). It took about 8 months but my blood pressure came to normal, no more than 120/80. It later came significantly below that. Then I started to sneak some meat in again (mostly it's a pest getting enough protein w/out eating meat). And my blood pressure began to creep up again. (Eight years ago I got my bp to normal by getting my weight down to 190 lbs). I modified the China study diet somewhat. Nothing white, no white rice, no potatos, no white bread (no bread period, bread turns immediately to sugar, it's like eating a candy bar), no pasta, whole wheat pasta doesn't taste too good, etc. No fruit juice. For protein, milk, Premier Protein (it has 30 grams, more than any other "shake" drink), eggs, vegetable protein. .. I was/am determined not to have to take bp medicine or diabetes medicine. Also stopped eating white sugar or corn syrup, no candy, cookies, sweets. One other thing, there are new bp guidelines (within the last year), bp 130/80 or above is now considered high blood pressure (this eliminates the old category prehypertension).
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Post by bluey on Oct 2, 2018 2:51:18 GMT -5
Did you read the book The China Study by Colin Campbell. If so what did you think? I was watching a BBC documentary on fitness and health called The Truth About Getting Fit with Michael Mosley where he teams up with some scientists whose latest research is turning common knowledge on fitness on its head to separate fact from fiction. You should be able to view it on YouTube A few people at work who have had high blood pressure and other problems asked me on book recommendations as they had their conditions for a while and as I was looking at trends to do with fashion and leather, PETA and the fur industry I came across Vegan fashion and then as you do the search goes elsewhere and I ended up looking at Dr Michael Gregers book Bird Flu A Virus Of Our Own Hatching and How Not To Die and his recommendation on diet. His book Bird Flu is a good read. And Dr Caldwell Esselstyn and Dr Dean Ornish who had helped President Clinton recover after his stroke. But their vegetarian and vegan diets have seemed to have worked for some of the people at work and family friends. One of the boss's was meant to have been fitted with a pace maker but one of those diets sorted him out too. Hey bluey, yes, I read the China Study by Campbell. I was very impressed. I knew I had my first Medicare physical coming up, have been borderline hypertension for years, so January 2017 stopped eating any meat whatsoever (a key part of the China Study). It took about 8 months but my blood pressure came to normal, no more than 120/80. It later came significantly below that. Then I started to sneak some meat in again (mostly it's a pest getting enough protein w/out eating meat). And my blood pressure began to creep up again. (Eight years ago I got my bp to normal by getting my weight down to 190 lbs). I modified the China study diet somewhat. Nothing white, no white rice, no potatos, no white bread (no bread period, bread turns immediately to sugar, it's like eating a candy bar), no pasta, whole wheat pasta doesn't taste too good, etc. No fruit juice. For protein, milk, Premier Protein (it has 30 grams, more than any other "shake" drink), eggs, vegetable protein. .. I was/am determined not to have to take bp medicine or diabetes medicine. Also stopped eating white sugar or corn syrup, no candy, cookies, sweets. One other thing, there are new bp guidelines (within the last year), bp 130/80 or above is now considered high blood pressure (this eliminates the old category prehypertension). It's really difficult to reply in this small box from a phone Beautiful, you applied this method to yourself. It worked. You added a little meat π and it worked against you. I tend to eat more from a plant based diet. Unless I meet a someone and they have made a meal from meat. I do eat what's given what is shared over. I always get asked you love plant based food, love the rise of vegan businesses but you work for people in the leather industry. I always tell them it will shift in the future, leather made from Apple peels, grapes will make there way in. And they already are. Its more about the people there I love business for one, and they're good at it but there are two people there who ready to fall awake. One already has. I love the team how they can swear at a customer over the phone and in the same hour go out as they also run a food bank and deliver food. And how they entertain their staff and clients over a meal but they used to eat a lot of meat. As in their culture the women don't work so they tend to cook all day and you can imagine the rich, love filled meat dishes they would come home to. Eating for a good few hours after being business warriors in the day. Coming home after conquering, taking the spoils of war. But being there I've been able to share over a few tips when they have had health scares. One was suffering from gout the other week. Told to him to π eat cherries. High blood pressure have a watermelon π. So slowly they have been switching educating themselves on eating a more plant based diet. Even one of their friends came over who is second largest ice cream producer. He does well in business but has a few health issues so they've been explaining their shift in diet. And at the table I heard the one son ask him why don't you do vegan ice cream. I have a feeling he will in the future. Some goods books apart from the China Study but the China Study is an important read not just in health but the business behind what you read on health, who funds the research and who it really serves. How Not To Die. Dr Michael Greger Bird Flu Dr Michael Greger. ( you can read this online ) , you may want to post it on here for others to read and share if you feel it resonates with you that is. The Spectrum Diet Dr Dean Ornish There are hundreds of books and videos relating to a more plant based diet. It would need a new thread to share it over. See you later I'm off to work.
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Post by lolly on Oct 2, 2018 5:45:04 GMT -5
You will find that there isn't much accurate information in the 'plant based diet' lit, and a great deal of nonsense, but a qualified dietitian could inform people about a purely vegan way of eating, which would near enough always involve supplementing essential nutrients. There can be very unhealthy plant based diets and there can be very healthy diets involving animal products. Almost all dietitians would agree that including animal products in ones diet is optimal (though this can be substituted by supplementation for vegans). I'm sure Greger explains the importance of supplementation, him being a doctor and all, and sensible dietitians recommend getting nutrients from actual food before resorting to supplements. The nutritional case for veganism is, therefore, unsound, but the ethical case is very compelling.
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Oct 2, 2018 10:38:24 GMT -5
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 2, 2018 10:38:24 GMT -5
Hey bluey, yes, I read the China Study by Campbell. I was very impressed. I knew I had my first Medicare physical coming up, have been borderline hypertension for years, so January 2017 stopped eating any meat whatsoever (a key part of the China Study). It took about 8 months but my blood pressure came to normal, no more than 120/80. It later came significantly below that. Then I started to sneak some meat in again (mostly it's a pest getting enough protein w/out eating meat). And my blood pressure began to creep up again. (Eight years ago I got my bp to normal by getting my weight down to 190 lbs). I modified the China study diet somewhat. Nothing white, no white rice, no potatos, no white bread (no bread period, bread turns immediately to sugar, it's like eating a candy bar), no pasta, whole wheat pasta doesn't taste too good, etc. No fruit juice. For protein, milk, Premier Protein (it has 30 grams, more than any other "shake" drink), eggs, vegetable protein. .. I was/am determined not to have to take bp medicine or diabetes medicine. Also stopped eating white sugar or corn syrup, no candy, cookies, sweets. One other thing, there are new bp guidelines (within the last year), bp 130/80 or above is now considered high blood pressure (this eliminates the old category prehypertension). It's really difficult to reply in this small box from a phoneΒ Beautiful, you applied this method to yourself. It worked. You added a little meat π and it worked against you. I tend to eat more from a plant based diet. Unless I meet a someone and they have made a meal from meat. I do eat what's given what is shared over. I always get asked you love plant based food, love the rise of vegan businesses but you work for people in the leather industry. I always tell them it will shift in the future, leather made from Apple peels, grapes will make there way in. And they already are. Its more about the people there I love business for one, and they're good at it but there are two people there who ready to fall awake. One already has. I love the team how they can swear at a customer over the phone and in the same hour go out as they also run a food bank and deliver food. And how they entertain their staff and clients over a meal but they used to eat a lot of meat. As in their culture the women don't work so they tend to cook all day and you can imagine the rich, love filled meat dishes they would come home to. Eating for a good few hours after being business warriors in the day. Coming home after conquering, taking the spoils of war. But being there I've been able to share over a few tips when they have had health scares. One was suffering from gout the other week. Told to him to π eat cherries. High blood pressure have a watermelon π. So slowly they have been switching educating themselves on eating a more plant based diet. Even one of their friends came over who is second largest ice cream producer. He does well in business but has a few health issues so they've been explaining their shift in diet. And at the table I heard the one son ask him why don't you do vegan ice cream. I have a feeling he will in the future. Some goods books apart from the China Study but the China Study is an important read not just in health but the business behind what you read on health, who funds the research and who it really serves. How Not To Die. Dr Michael Greger Bird Flu Dr Michael Greger. ( you can read this online ) , you may want to post it on here for others to read and share if you feel it resonates with you that is. The Spectrum Diet Dr Dean Ornish There are hundreds of books and videos relating to a more plant based diet. It would need a new thread to share it over. See you later I'm off to work. Hey bluey. . Thanks. After posting I realized I left out the most important part, meant to edit but never did, the reason for the China study diet. Study came from rural China. Those who ate this diet had virtually zero heart disease, virtually zero high blood pressure, virtually zero diabetes, (and I believe virtually zero strokes, but I'd have to go back and check that [book not handy]). And when eating meat began to creep in, all these diseases began to show up.
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Post by laughter on Oct 2, 2018 11:06:11 GMT -5
You will find that there isn't much accurate information in the 'plant based diet' lit, and a great deal of nonsense, but a qualified dietitian could inform people about a purely vegan way of eating, which would near enough always involve supplementing essential nutrients. There can be very unhealthy plant based diets and there can be very healthy diets involving animal products. Almost all dietitians would agree that including animal products in ones diet is optimal (though this can be substituted by supplementation for vegans). I'm sure Greger explains the importance of supplementation, him being a doctor and all, and sensible dietitians recommend getting nutrients from actual food before resorting to supplements. The nutritional case for veganism is, therefore, unsound, but the ethical case is very compelling. Did you hear about how they're able to produce meat in a lab from stem cells now?
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Did you hear about how they're able to produce meat in a lab from stem cells now?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 2, 2018 16:23:27 GMT -5
Did you hear about how they're able to produce meat in a lab from stem cells now? :-)
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Post by bluey on Oct 2, 2018 17:51:44 GMT -5
You will find that there isn't much accurate information in the 'plant based diet' lit, and a great deal of nonsense, but a qualified dietitian could inform people about a purely vegan way of eating, which would near enough always involve supplementing essential nutrients. There can be very unhealthy plant based diets and there can be very healthy diets involving animal products. Almost all dietitians would agree that including animal products in ones diet is optimal (though this can be substituted by supplementation for vegans). I'm sure Greger explains the importance of supplementation, him being a doctor and all, and sensible dietitians recommend getting nutrients from actual food before resorting to supplements. The nutritional case for veganism is, therefore, unsound, but the ethical case is very compelling. Lolly I've found a better way to post. Write in a text message and copy and paste. This small box is a small box to type in to. If it doubles up or disappears. It is what it is. Yes Lolly you can adopt a junk food vegetarian or vegan diet. But what makes you so sure? Not just diet but emotions having a heavy pain body can lead to poor health. Also the body knows where it wants to go. Like mine it really has a need to be next to water, with a city nearby. I feel this will be sorted in the next few years. I feel many misunderstand Eckharts take on the pain body. We were both with Barry Long and his take on the pain body. The pain body doesn't just apply to the feelers but also the thinkers too. People who may not have experienced much emotional pain but may have had a pretty much pain free life but also a mind that ran like a train. Take my boss he can say he's never had to worry about paying a bill ever but on a plate he may offer the last chicken leg over to a guest but really he wants it for himself, that's the pain body too. The seeker who wants the guru for himself to be seen as a great meditator over others feels sharing over with another as painful or if the teacher places attention to a new seeker he may feel like taking a knife out to stab both teacher and student. A bit like the story of the prodigal son in the bible. Or one who can know more book knowledge over one who hasn't. Why Ramana said the cook in the kitchen who serves is better than one who comes with his book knowledge, Guru Gobind once went to battle on return he told his warriors this man who I told to just comb the hair of the horses and still is, will come to this place of stillness. With Guru Ravidas he remained in the leather trade. Princess Mira Bai the great sage left diamonds in his thatched roof but on her return she would find they were still there. The king approached him so the story goes and a story is that its either true or not but can be a pointer. He asked Ravidas for truth and he gave him a glass of water in which he had been dipping his leather in. The king pretended to drink it and poured it down his shirt, his sleeve. On going back to his kingdom he summoned the laundry man to clean his shirt. And in fear he scrubbed and scrubbed but fell asleep from exhaustion. His poor daughter knowing that her father would have to face the king began to chew on the sleeve to take out the leather stains but in her devotion to her father she awakened. Started speaking from That space. The story goes that he summoned her before and asked how she came to this and she said I just chewed on your shirt trying to get the leather stains out. Even the size of your plate can work against you. You can read this in many ways..... I say this πas I used to cut my elderly neighbours lawn every Sunday. And they would pull out their plates and explain how they were handed down from their parents. The plate sizes were tiny, they ate meat too but they both had slim waist sizes too. So like the plant based experts like Dr Michael Greger, Dr Esselstyn, Dr Campbell. Take your ratio of omega 3 to omega 6. In all diets you have to get that ratio right. Most don't. Most people who will eat biscuits or cakes can say yes yes yes to it but in business the manufacturers are going to use cheaper oils most likely higher in omega 6. Which is not good for you. In the China Study by Professor Campbell and he was raised on a farm around livestock. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn too. They both were born around pretty much the same time. Challenged the food pyramid we are advised to go by. So your argument on being advised by a qualified nutritionist falls a little short according to them. As they have published many scientific publications on nutrition and health. Dr Esselstyn has more than 150 publications. Is the author of prevent and reverse heart disease, the revolutionary , scientifically nutrition based cure. 20 years ago when I first came across them both the studies were here and there. Now they are published they are pretty much self evident. But don't take my word for it do your own search. That applies on your search for truth too. When president Clinton was in power they tried to push for the food pyramid to be changed as they were challenging the information the standard but they were ignored, and as they said recently they felt the full force from the Dairy and Meat industry over the years. I do feel they genuinely care for people's health. They don't want people to die and sages who do care for people want them to die in a different way. And they have also pointed out time and time again how doctors when they are taught medicine do little if any research into nutrition and food. Maybe two or three hours throughout their PhD. You will find vegans know more on nutrition than you average doctor. With Dr Michael Greger he will do the real science. Swap groups over, add placebo effects, to see how sound his advice may be on if a patient adds this plant or that fruit in to their diet. And he allows the science to see if it's true or not. And he makes sure he's out of the way. Being out of the way. It's a good trait. Here is a recent video
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Oct 2, 2018 19:00:56 GMT -5
Post by lolly on Oct 2, 2018 19:00:56 GMT -5
You will find that there isn't much accurate information in the 'plant based diet' lit, and a great deal of nonsense, but a qualified dietitian could inform people about a purely vegan way of eating, which would near enough always involve supplementing essential nutrients. There can be very unhealthy plant based diets and there can be very healthy diets involving animal products. Almost all dietitians would agree that including animal products in ones diet is optimal (though this can be substituted by supplementation for vegans). I'm sure Greger explains the importance of supplementation, him being a doctor and all, and sensible dietitians recommend getting nutrients from actual food before resorting to supplements. The nutritional case for veganism is, therefore, unsound, but the ethical case is very compelling. Lolly I've found a better way to post. Write in a text message and copy and paste. This small box is a small box to type in to. If it doubles up or disappears. It is what it is. Yes Lolly you can adopt a junk food vegetarian or vegan diet. But what makes you so sure? Not just diet but emotions having a heavy pain body can lead to poor health. Also the body knows where it wants to go. Like mine it really has a need to be next to water, with a city nearby. I feel this will be sorted in the next few years. I feel many misunderstand Eckharts take on the pain body. We were both with Barry Long and his take on the pain body. The pain body doesn't just apply to the feelers but also the thinkers too. People who may not have experienced much emotional pain but may have had a pretty much pain free life but also a mind that ran like a train. Take my boss he can say he's never had to worry about paying a bill ever but on a plate he may offer the last chicken leg over to a guest but really he wants it for himself, that's the pain body too. The seeker who wants the guru for himself to be seen as a great meditator over others feels sharing over with another as painful or if the teacher places attention to a new seeker he may feel like taking a knife out to stab both teacher and student. A bit like the story of the prodigal son in the bible. Or one who can know more book knowledge over one who hasn't. Why Ramana said the cook in the kitchen who serves is better than one who comes with his book knowledge, Guru Gobind once went to battle on return he told his warriors this man who I told to just comb the hair of the horses and still is, will come to this place of stillness. With Guru Ravidas he remained in the leather trade. Princess Mira Bai the great sage left diamonds in his thatched roof but on her return she would find they were still there. The king approached him so the story goes and a story is that its either true or not but can be a pointer. He asked Ravidas for truth and he gave him a glass of water in which he had been dipping his leather in. The king pretended to drink it and poured it down his shirt, his sleeve. On going back to his kingdom he summoned the laundry man to clean his shirt. And in fear he scrubbed and scrubbed but fell asleep from exhaustion. His poor daughter knowing that her father would have to face the king began to chew on the sleeve to take out the leather stains but in her devotion to her father she awakened. Started speaking from That space. The story goes that he summoned her before and asked how she came to this and she said I just chewed on your shirt trying to get the leather stains out. Even the size of your plate can work against you. You can read this in many ways..... I say this πas I used to cut my elderly neighbours lawn every Sunday. And they would pull out their plates and explain how they were handed down from their parents. The plate sizes were tiny, they ate meat too but they both had slim waist sizes too. So like the plant based experts like Dr Michael Greger, Dr Esselstyn, Dr Campbell. Take your ratio of omega 3 to omega 6. In all diets you have to get that ratio right. Most don't. Most people who will eat biscuits or cakes can say yes yes yes to it but in business the manufacturers are going to use cheaper oils most likely higher in omega 6. Which is not good for you. In the China Study by Professor Campbell and he was raised on a farm around livestock. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn too. They both were born around pretty much the same time. Challenged the food pyramid we are advised to go by. So your argument on being advised by a qualified nutritionist falls a little short according to them. As they have published many scientific publications on nutrition and health. Dr Esselstyn has more than 150 publications. Is the author of prevent and reverse heart disease, the revolutionary , scientifically nutrition based cure. 20 years ago when I first came across them both the studies were here and there. Now they are published they are pretty much self evident. But don't take my word for it do your own search. That applies on your search for truth too. When president Clinton was in power they tried to push for the food pyramid to be changed as they were challenging the information the standard but they were ignored, and as they said recently they felt the full force from the Dairy and Meat industry over the years. I do feel they genuinely care for people's health. They don't want people to die and sages who do care for people want them to die in a different way. And they have also pointed out time and time again how doctors when they are taught medicine do little if any research into nutrition and food. Maybe two or three hours throughout their PhD. You will find vegans know more on nutrition than you average doctor. With Dr Michael Greger he will do the real science. Swap groups over, add placebo effects, to see how sound his advice may be on if a patient adds this plant or that fruit in to their diet. And he allows the science to see if it's true or not. And he makes sure he's out of the way. Being out of the way. It's a good trait. Here is a recent video I'll watch the vid later. It loos interesting. I think people can take on too much at a time, bite off more than they can chew, and it is too chaotic to deal with the whole gamut in one go, so I like to look over the entire person, physical/psychological and spiritual, and then address the lifestyle in manageable steps. The physical, being the 'gateway', is the first step, so I wouldn't address the emotional dimensions directly, but 'go through the body' to get there, so to speak. In the diet context, where 'diet' simply means the food one consumes, it's all math. What do you weigh, what is the fat percentage, what are their physical activity levels, how many calories are needed to lose or gain weight, whats the optimal nutrient distribution, what activity best signals the preservation or increase of muscle mass, and how to implement that in a way that affects change in a person's lifestyleThe notion of lifestyle is important because sustainability is 'a way of life'. A change in lifestyle at the physical level will reveal the emotional aspects of the situation, and when a person is already proactively addressing their physical condition, and have already affected noticeable change in body composition, that helps them to have some level of confidence to overcome their emotional hurdles. The nutritional guidelines are essentially useless in that they are hegemonic and designed for people who don't anything about nutrition. It's not something that dietitians actually follow. Dietitians count calorie intake and advise on nutrient distribution on an individual basis, and anyone who advises not consulting a dietitian is giving terrible advice. It's true that medical doctors have poor nutritional knowledge and knowledge about exercise, which is pretty strange for what is called a 'health professional'. That shows how perverse the system is and perhaps explains why health systems are overwhelmed by entirely preventable illnesses. I'm sure Greger is good at what he does, and I'm sure in his vegan advocacy he stresses to importance of supplementation. Of course nutrient distribution include plant foods and whole foods as critically important, and if a person adheres to a vegan lifestyle, then certain supplements are necessary. The issue with veganism is that it is an ethical issue, so people including Greger are biased, righteously. This limits his clientele to vegans as people who consume animal products already know he's only going to advise veganism. That's not the way to 'do good', and purely nutritionally speaking, animal products are necessary for a complete real food nutritional profile. This is a huge 'inconvenient truth' for the vegan argument because actually, the vegan diet is sub-optimal nutritionally speaking as it cannot provide a complete nutrient profile. There are very good ethical reasons to be vegan, though, and supplementation resolves any nutrient deficiency.
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Oct 3, 2018 15:25:07 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 3, 2018 15:25:07 GMT -5
You will find that there isn't much accurate information in the 'plant based diet' lit, and a great deal of nonsense, but a qualified dietitian could inform people about a purely vegan way of eating, which would near enough always involve supplementing essential nutrients. There can be very unhealthy plant based diets and there can be very healthy diets involving animal products. Almost all dietitians would agree that including animal products in ones diet is optimal (though this can be substituted by supplementation for vegans). I'm sure Greger explains the importance of supplementation, him being a doctor and all, and sensible dietitians recommend getting nutrients from actual food before resorting to supplements. The nutritional case for veganism is, therefore, unsound, but the ethical case is very compelling. This is just not true. (see following post)
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