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Post by inavalan on Jan 22, 2024 14:07:57 GMT -5
linkNovelist Rie Kudan wins Japan’s most prestigious literary prize – then reveals she used ChatGPT I think that AI can be creative only at higher-mediocre level. So, if we talk about creativity competitions, it will affect only those that don't actually reward creativity, but other criteria meant to promote agendas that aren't related to creativity.
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 3, 2024 8:52:59 GMT -5
Question: In non-duality and related ideas are the 10,000 forms dependent upon the Formless and therefore are extensions of the Formless, and if so, how does this idea manintain the idea of Oneness?
ChatGPT: In non-dual philosophy and related spiritual traditions, the concept of the Formless or the Absolute represents the ineffable, limitless, and transcendent reality that exists beyond the boundaries of individual forms and distinctions. This Formless is often described as the ultimate source and foundation of all that exists in the manifested world. It is the unchanging, eternal essence that underlies the ever-changing and transient nature of the myriad forms we perceive.
The metaphorical "10,000 forms" symbolizes the countless varieties and manifestations of the material and immaterial aspects of the universe. These forms encompass everything from tangible physical entities to abstract concepts, thoughts, and emotions. According to non-dual perspectives, this diversity is not a haphazard or random occurrence but rather an intricate dance or expression of the underlying Formless.
In this framework, the relationship between the Formless and the manifold forms is likened to the relationship between an ocean and its waves. Just as waves arise from and subsist within the vastness of the ocean, the diverse forms in the world are considered extensions or expressions of the Formless. The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean.
It's crucial to understand that the emphasis is not on diminishing the significance of the forms or considering them as secondary or inferior. Instead, the forms are regarded as valid expressions of the Formless, each contributing to the rich tapestry of existence. The non-dual perspective underscores the interconnectedness and interdependence of all forms, suggesting that, at a deeper level, they share a common essence.
The notion of Oneness is sustained through the recognition that, despite the apparent multiplicity and diversity in the phenomenal world, there exists an underlying unity that ties everything together. This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms. By realizing the interdependence of the forms on the Formless, individuals may come to a profound understanding of Oneness. This realization is not merely intellectual but experiential, often achieved through practices like meditation, contemplation, or self-inquiry, allowing individuals to transcend the illusions of separateness and recognize the inherent unity that pervades all of existence.
Question: Is the Formless considered the Source of all forms temporarily experiencing aliveness?
ChatGPT: Yes, according to many non-dual philosophies and spiritual traditions, the Formless is considered the ultimate source of all forms, and these forms are seen as temporarily experiencing aliveness. The Formless is often described as a transcendent, unchanging reality that precedes and underlies the ever-changing world of forms.
In this perspective, the forms—whether they be physical entities, thoughts, emotions, or any other manifestation—are considered temporary expressions or appearances within the realm of the Formless. The idea is that the Formless gives rise to, sustains, and eventually absorbs all forms, and these forms undergo a continuous cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution.
The concept of aliveness is associated with the temporary and dynamic nature of forms. The forms are considered alive or animated by the essence of the Formless, which lends them their vitality. The aliveness experienced in the world of forms is viewed as a transient expression of the underlying, eternal life force emanating from the Formless.
In this framework, the understanding is that the aliveness experienced in the diverse forms is an integral part of the cosmic dance of creation, sustained by the Formless. The forms are like ripples on the surface of an ocean, temporarily expressing the inherent life force of the Formless before merging back into the source.
Question: Where would the idea of a "Oneness Blob" fit it and how would it not be considered separation/duality?
ChatGPT: The concept of a "Oneness Blob" isn't a term commonly used in established non-dual or spiritual traditions, but I'll attempt to interpret it based on the idea of Oneness and the Formless.
If we conceptualize a "Oneness Blob," it could metaphorically represent the undifferentiated, formless unity underlying all of existence. In this metaphor, the "Blob" is a symbol for the Formless, and everything within it is an expression or manifestation of that undivided Oneness. This could include all forms, experiences, and phenomena within the "Blob."
However, it's essential to be cautious with the language used to describe such concepts. The term "blob" might carry connotations of formlessness but might also imply a lack of structure or intelligence. In non-dual philosophy, the Formless is often considered to be intelligent, aware, and the source of all potentialities.
The challenge arises when using metaphors, as they are inherently limited and may not fully capture the profound nature of non-dual reality. The risk of misconstruing the metaphor lies in the potential for misunderstanding or misrepresenting the nature of Oneness. Referring to it as a "blob" might unintentionally imply a lack of sophistication or order.
Regarding the question of separation and duality, non-dual philosophy emphasizes the fundamental unity of all existence. In the context of a "Oneness Blob," if it symbolizes the undivided unity of everything, it aligns with non-dual principles. The challenge lies in using language and metaphors that don't inadvertently suggest separation or duality.
In the pursuit of understanding non-duality, it's essential to recognize that language itself is inherently dualistic, as it relies on distinctions and concepts. Metaphors and symbols are useful tools for conveying abstract concepts, but they are always limited and may not capture the full depth of non-dual reality. Ultimately, the goal is to move beyond conceptual frameworks and directly experience the Oneness or Formless nature of existence.
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Post by laughter on Feb 4, 2024 4:24:43 GMT -5
Question: In non-duality and related ideas are the 10,000 forms dependent upon the Formless and therefore are extensions of the Formless, and if so, how does this idea manintain the idea of Oneness? ChatGPT: In non-dual philosophy and related spiritual traditions, the concept of the Formless or the Absolute represents the ineffable, limitless, and transcendent reality that exists beyond the boundaries of individual forms and distinctions. This Formless is often described as the ultimate source and foundation of all that exists in the manifested world. It is the unchanging, eternal essence that underlies the ever-changing and transient nature of the myriad forms we perceive. The metaphorical "10,000 forms" symbolizes the countless varieties and manifestations of the material and immaterial aspects of the universe. These forms encompass everything from tangible physical entities to abstract concepts, thoughts, and emotions. According to non-dual perspectives, this diversity is not a haphazard or random occurrence but rather an intricate dance or expression of the underlying Formless. In this framework, the relationship between the Formless and the manifold forms is likened to the relationship between an ocean and its waves. Just as waves arise from and subsist within the vastness of the ocean, the diverse forms in the world are considered extensions or expressions of the Formless. The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean. It's crucial to understand that the emphasis is not on diminishing the significance of the forms or considering them as secondary or inferior. Instead, the forms are regarded as valid expressions of the Formless, each contributing to the rich tapestry of existence. The non-dual perspective underscores the interconnectedness and interdependence of all forms, suggesting that, at a deeper level, they share a common essence. The notion of Oneness is sustained through the recognition that, despite the apparent multiplicity and diversity in the phenomenal world, there exists an underlying unity that ties everything together. This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms. By realizing the interdependence of the forms on the Formless, individuals may come to a profound understanding of Oneness. This realization is not merely intellectual but experiential, often achieved through practices like meditation, contemplation, or self-inquiry, allowing individuals to transcend the illusions of separateness and recognize the inherent unity that pervades all of existence. Question: Is the Formless considered the Source of all forms temporarily experiencing aliveness? ChatGPT: Yes, according to many non-dual philosophies and spiritual traditions, the Formless is considered the ultimate source of all forms, and these forms are seen as temporarily experiencing aliveness. The Formless is often described as a transcendent, unchanging reality that precedes and underlies the ever-changing world of forms. In this perspective, the forms—whether they be physical entities, thoughts, emotions, or any other manifestation—are considered temporary expressions or appearances within the realm of the Formless. The idea is that the Formless gives rise to, sustains, and eventually absorbs all forms, and these forms undergo a continuous cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution. The concept of aliveness is associated with the temporary and dynamic nature of forms. The forms are considered alive or animated by the essence of the Formless, which lends them their vitality. The aliveness experienced in the world of forms is viewed as a transient expression of the underlying, eternal life force emanating from the Formless. In this framework, the understanding is that the aliveness experienced in the diverse forms is an integral part of the cosmic dance of creation, sustained by the Formless. The forms are like ripples on the surface of an ocean, temporarily expressing the inherent life force of the Formless before merging back into the source. Question: Where would the idea of a "Oneness Blob" fit it and how would it not be considered separation/duality? ChatGPT: The concept of a "Oneness Blob" isn't a term commonly used in established non-dual or spiritual traditions, but I'll attempt to interpret it based on the idea of Oneness and the Formless. If we conceptualize a "Oneness Blob," it could metaphorically represent the undifferentiated, formless unity underlying all of existence. In this metaphor, the "Blob" is a symbol for the Formless, and everything within it is an expression or manifestation of that undivided Oneness. This could include all forms, experiences, and phenomena within the "Blob." However, it's essential to be cautious with the language used to describe such concepts. The term "blob" might carry connotations of formlessness but might also imply a lack of structure or intelligence. In non-dual philosophy, the Formless is often considered to be intelligent, aware, and the source of all potentialities. The challenge arises when using metaphors, as they are inherently limited and may not fully capture the profound nature of non-dual reality. The risk of misconstruing the metaphor lies in the potential for misunderstanding or misrepresenting the nature of Oneness. Referring to it as a "blob" might unintentionally imply a lack of sophistication or order. Regarding the question of separation and duality, non-dual philosophy emphasizes the fundamental unity of all existence. In the context of a "Oneness Blob," if it symbolizes the undivided unity of everything, it aligns with non-dual principles. The challenge lies in using language and metaphors that don't inadvertently suggest separation or duality. In the pursuit of understanding non-duality, it's essential to recognize that language itself is inherently dualistic, as it relies on distinctions and concepts. Metaphors and symbols are useful tools for conveying abstract concepts, but they are always limited and may not capture the full depth of non-dual reality. Ultimately, the goal is to move beyond conceptual frameworks and directly experience the Oneness or Formless nature of existence. Thanks for taking the time to share this one. I'd like to point out a few facets here. Note that even though the bot didn't (really) recognize what you meant by "Oneness Blob", it addressed the issue with this sentence: "This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms." Where I would refine and extend this text is to caveat that "interconnectivity" is a shadow on the side of Plato's cave, and that while one can approach these topics as a form of Philosophy, there is a deeper significance to what is pointed at that no Philosopher can ever grasp with their intellectual approach. To illustrate: "The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean." This part of the answer illustrates how such text just perpetuates the questioning, which is fine, really, because the questioning can and will continue until such time as it ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Been using ChatGpt in business, quite useful, but also very limited. Eventually I'll have to start using some sort of paid version specific to the industry. Once you start doing this it becomes clear that these "AI" are really just an evolution on the search-engine tech. A significant development for sure.
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 4, 2024 12:14:18 GMT -5
Question: In non-duality and related ideas are the 10,000 forms dependent upon the Formless and therefore are extensions of the Formless, and if so, how does this idea manintain the idea of Oneness? ChatGPT: In non-dual philosophy and related spiritual traditions, the concept of the Formless or the Absolute represents the ineffable, limitless, and transcendent reality that exists beyond the boundaries of individual forms and distinctions. This Formless is often described as the ultimate source and foundation of all that exists in the manifested world. It is the unchanging, eternal essence that underlies the ever-changing and transient nature of the myriad forms we perceive. The metaphorical "10,000 forms" symbolizes the countless varieties and manifestations of the material and immaterial aspects of the universe. These forms encompass everything from tangible physical entities to abstract concepts, thoughts, and emotions. According to non-dual perspectives, this diversity is not a haphazard or random occurrence but rather an intricate dance or expression of the underlying Formless. In this framework, the relationship between the Formless and the manifold forms is likened to the relationship between an ocean and its waves. Just as waves arise from and subsist within the vastness of the ocean, the diverse forms in the world are considered extensions or expressions of the Formless. The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean. It's crucial to understand that the emphasis is not on diminishing the significance of the forms or considering them as secondary or inferior. Instead, the forms are regarded as valid expressions of the Formless, each contributing to the rich tapestry of existence. The non-dual perspective underscores the interconnectedness and interdependence of all forms, suggesting that, at a deeper level, they share a common essence. The notion of Oneness is sustained through the recognition that, despite the apparent multiplicity and diversity in the phenomenal world, there exists an underlying unity that ties everything together. This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms. By realizing the interdependence of the forms on the Formless, individuals may come to a profound understanding of Oneness. This realization is not merely intellectual but experiential, often achieved through practices like meditation, contemplation, or self-inquiry, allowing individuals to transcend the illusions of separateness and recognize the inherent unity that pervades all of existence. Question: Is the Formless considered the Source of all forms temporarily experiencing aliveness? ChatGPT: Yes, according to many non-dual philosophies and spiritual traditions, the Formless is considered the ultimate source of all forms, and these forms are seen as temporarily experiencing aliveness. The Formless is often described as a transcendent, unchanging reality that precedes and underlies the ever-changing world of forms. In this perspective, the forms—whether they be physical entities, thoughts, emotions, or any other manifestation—are considered temporary expressions or appearances within the realm of the Formless. The idea is that the Formless gives rise to, sustains, and eventually absorbs all forms, and these forms undergo a continuous cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution. The concept of aliveness is associated with the temporary and dynamic nature of forms. The forms are considered alive or animated by the essence of the Formless, which lends them their vitality. The aliveness experienced in the world of forms is viewed as a transient expression of the underlying, eternal life force emanating from the Formless. In this framework, the understanding is that the aliveness experienced in the diverse forms is an integral part of the cosmic dance of creation, sustained by the Formless. The forms are like ripples on the surface of an ocean, temporarily expressing the inherent life force of the Formless before merging back into the source. Question: Where would the idea of a "Oneness Blob" fit it and how would it not be considered separation/duality? ChatGPT: The concept of a "Oneness Blob" isn't a term commonly used in established non-dual or spiritual traditions, but I'll attempt to interpret it based on the idea of Oneness and the Formless. If we conceptualize a "Oneness Blob," it could metaphorically represent the undifferentiated, formless unity underlying all of existence. In this metaphor, the "Blob" is a symbol for the Formless, and everything within it is an expression or manifestation of that undivided Oneness. This could include all forms, experiences, and phenomena within the "Blob." However, it's essential to be cautious with the language used to describe such concepts. The term "blob" might carry connotations of formlessness but might also imply a lack of structure or intelligence. In non-dual philosophy, the Formless is often considered to be intelligent, aware, and the source of all potentialities. The challenge arises when using metaphors, as they are inherently limited and may not fully capture the profound nature of non-dual reality. The risk of misconstruing the metaphor lies in the potential for misunderstanding or misrepresenting the nature of Oneness. Referring to it as a "blob" might unintentionally imply a lack of sophistication or order. Regarding the question of separation and duality, non-dual philosophy emphasizes the fundamental unity of all existence. In the context of a "Oneness Blob," if it symbolizes the undivided unity of everything, it aligns with non-dual principles. The challenge lies in using language and metaphors that don't inadvertently suggest separation or duality. In the pursuit of understanding non-duality, it's essential to recognize that language itself is inherently dualistic, as it relies on distinctions and concepts. Metaphors and symbols are useful tools for conveying abstract concepts, but they are always limited and may not capture the full depth of non-dual reality. Ultimately, the goal is to move beyond conceptual frameworks and directly experience the Oneness or Formless nature of existence. Thanks for taking the time to share this one. I'd like to point out a few facets here. Note that even though the bot didn't (really) recognize what you meant by "Oneness Blob", it addressed the issue with this sentence: "This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms." Where I would refine and extend this text is to caveat that "interconnectivity" is a shadow on the side of Plato's cave, and that while one can approach these topics as a form of Philosophy, there is a deeper significance to what is pointed at that no Philosopher can ever grasp with their intellectual approach. To illustrate: "The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean." This part of the answer illustrates how such text just perpetuates the questioning, which is fine, really, because the questioning can and will continue until such time as it ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Been using ChatGpt in business, quite useful, but also very limited. Eventually I'll have to start using some sort of paid version specific to the industry. Once you start doing this it becomes clear that these "AI" are really just an evolution on the search-engine tech. A significant development for sure. . Thanks, L. I sent you a PM.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 4, 2024 18:54:21 GMT -5
Question: In non-duality and related ideas are the 10,000 forms dependent upon the Formless and therefore are extensions of the Formless, and if so, how does this idea manintain the idea of Oneness? ChatGPT: In non-dual philosophy and related spiritual traditions, the concept of the Formless or the Absolute represents the ineffable, limitless, and transcendent reality that exists beyond the boundaries of individual forms and distinctions. This Formless is often described as the ultimate source and foundation of all that exists in the manifested world. It is the unchanging, eternal essence that underlies the ever-changing and transient nature of the myriad forms we perceive. The metaphorical "10,000 forms" symbolizes the countless varieties and manifestations of the material and immaterial aspects of the universe. These forms encompass everything from tangible physical entities to abstract concepts, thoughts, and emotions. According to non-dual perspectives, this diversity is not a haphazard or random occurrence but rather an intricate dance or expression of the underlying Formless. In this framework, the relationship between the Formless and the manifold forms is likened to the relationship between an ocean and its waves. Just as waves arise from and subsist within the vastness of the ocean, the diverse forms in the world are considered extensions or expressions of the Formless. The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean. It's crucial to understand that the emphasis is not on diminishing the significance of the forms or considering them as secondary or inferior. Instead, the forms are regarded as valid expressions of the Formless, each contributing to the rich tapestry of existence. The non-dual perspective underscores the interconnectedness and interdependence of all forms, suggesting that, at a deeper level, they share a common essence. The notion of Oneness is sustained through the recognition that, despite the apparent multiplicity and diversity in the phenomenal world, there exists an underlying unity that ties everything together. This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms. By realizing the interdependence of the forms on the Formless, individuals may come to a profound understanding of Oneness. This realization is not merely intellectual but experiential, often achieved through practices like meditation, contemplation, or self-inquiry, allowing individuals to transcend the illusions of separateness and recognize the inherent unity that pervades all of existence. Question: Is the Formless considered the Source of all forms temporarily experiencing aliveness? ChatGPT: Yes, according to many non-dual philosophies and spiritual traditions, the Formless is considered the ultimate source of all forms, and these forms are seen as temporarily experiencing aliveness. The Formless is often described as a transcendent, unchanging reality that precedes and underlies the ever-changing world of forms. In this perspective, the forms—whether they be physical entities, thoughts, emotions, or any other manifestation—are considered temporary expressions or appearances within the realm of the Formless. The idea is that the Formless gives rise to, sustains, and eventually absorbs all forms, and these forms undergo a continuous cycle of creation, preservation, and dissolution. The concept of aliveness is associated with the temporary and dynamic nature of forms. The forms are considered alive or animated by the essence of the Formless, which lends them their vitality. The aliveness experienced in the world of forms is viewed as a transient expression of the underlying, eternal life force emanating from the Formless. In this framework, the understanding is that the aliveness experienced in the diverse forms is an integral part of the cosmic dance of creation, sustained by the Formless. The forms are like ripples on the surface of an ocean, temporarily expressing the inherent life force of the Formless before merging back into the source. Question: Where would the idea of a "Oneness Blob" fit it and how would it not be considered separation/duality? ChatGPT: The concept of a "Oneness Blob" isn't a term commonly used in established non-dual or spiritual traditions, but I'll attempt to interpret it based on the idea of Oneness and the Formless. If we conceptualize a "Oneness Blob," it could metaphorically represent the undifferentiated, formless unity underlying all of existence. In this metaphor, the "Blob" is a symbol for the Formless, and everything within it is an expression or manifestation of that undivided Oneness. This could include all forms, experiences, and phenomena within the "Blob." However, it's essential to be cautious with the language used to describe such concepts. The term "blob" might carry connotations of formlessness but might also imply a lack of structure or intelligence. In non-dual philosophy, the Formless is often considered to be intelligent, aware, and the source of all potentialities. The challenge arises when using metaphors, as they are inherently limited and may not fully capture the profound nature of non-dual reality. The risk of misconstruing the metaphor lies in the potential for misunderstanding or misrepresenting the nature of Oneness. Referring to it as a "blob" might unintentionally imply a lack of sophistication or order. Regarding the question of separation and duality, non-dual philosophy emphasizes the fundamental unity of all existence. In the context of a "Oneness Blob," if it symbolizes the undivided unity of everything, it aligns with non-dual principles. The challenge lies in using language and metaphors that don't inadvertently suggest separation or duality. In the pursuit of understanding non-duality, it's essential to recognize that language itself is inherently dualistic, as it relies on distinctions and concepts. Metaphors and symbols are useful tools for conveying abstract concepts, but they are always limited and may not capture the full depth of non-dual reality. Ultimately, the goal is to move beyond conceptual frameworks and directly experience the Oneness or Formless nature of existence. Thanks for taking the time to share this one. I'd like to point out a few facets here. Note that even though the bot didn't (really) recognize what you meant by "Oneness Blob", it addressed the issue with this sentence: "This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms." Where I would refine and extend this text is to caveat that "interconnectivity" is a shadow on the side of Plato's cave, and that while one can approach these topics as a form of Philosophy, there is a deeper significance to what is pointed at that no Philosopher can ever grasp with their intellectual approach. To illustrate: "The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean." This part of the answer illustrates how such text just perpetuates the questioning, which is fine, really, because the questioning can and will continue until such time as it ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Been using ChatGpt in business, quite useful, but also very limited. Eventually I'll have to start using some sort of paid version specific to the industry. Once you start doing this it becomes clear that these "AI" are really just an evolution on the search-engine tech. A significant development for sure. If your company purchases Microsoft products, Bing comes along with it. In this scenario, Bing Copilot is available for free and provides access to the latest version of ChatGPT. I frequently use it, and it functions exceptionally well for practical tasks. As you mentioned, it excels in work-related applications rather than delving into philosophical discussions. Contrary to the notion that these AIs are merely advanced search engines, there's a distinction. While a search engine retrieves information available on the web, AI goes a step further by generating responses. When seeking a program, ChatGPT can also generate the code. What astonishes me is its ability to uncover unique solutions that might not immediately occur to us. With the advent of ChatGPT, programming has become more accessible, but it also poses a challenge to our traditional thinking and coding skills.
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Post by laughter on Feb 5, 2024 7:49:02 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to share this one. I'd like to point out a few facets here. Note that even though the bot didn't (really) recognize what you meant by "Oneness Blob", it addressed the issue with this sentence: "This unity is not a forced homogeneity but rather a shared essence that transcends individual forms." Where I would refine and extend this text is to caveat that "interconnectivity" is a shadow on the side of Plato's cave, and that while one can approach these topics as a form of Philosophy, there is a deeper significance to what is pointed at that no Philosopher can ever grasp with their intellectual approach. To illustrate: "The forms, in their various shapes and manifestations, derive their existence and essential nature from the Formless, similar to how waves find their existence and motion in the ocean." This part of the answer illustrates how such text just perpetuates the questioning, which is fine, really, because the questioning can and will continue until such time as it ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Been using ChatGpt in business, quite useful, but also very limited. Eventually I'll have to start using some sort of paid version specific to the industry. Once you start doing this it becomes clear that these "AI" are really just an evolution on the search-engine tech. A significant development for sure. If your company purchases Microsoft products, Bing comes along with it. In this scenario, Bing Copilot is available for free and provides access to the latest version of ChatGPT. I frequently use it, and it functions exceptionally well for practical tasks. As you mentioned, it excels in work-related applications rather than delving into philosophical discussions. Contrary to the notion that these AIs are merely advanced search engines, there's a distinction. While a search engine retrieves information available on the web, AI goes a step further by generating responses. When seeking a program, ChatGPT can also generate the code. What astonishes me is its ability to uncover unique solutions that might not immediately occur to us. With the advent of ChatGPT, programming has become more accessible, but it also poses a challenge to our traditional thinking and coding skills. Neural net tech was founded on the idea that you let the machine discover the solution. The core principal was to simulate the brain, and a few writers back in the '90's drew the metaphor between left/right brain type solutions. The big breakthrough here seems to be in these generative-loops. Seems to me that google and Westlaw each were getting pretty good at understanding questions years ago. But now the bots can engage in these dialogs that refine the Q/A process. There is definitely still hype though. ChatGPT and the top-level google results suck at converting python to java. They're fast and can do simple stuff, but anything involving more than one or two functions and they fail big time. I paid for a subscription here (ChatGpt specifically disclaims and explains its limitations and cuts off any conversion at like 50 lines or so) and my first script broke it. Sent it into a loop of generating the same set of import statements that went on for several hundred lines before it choked altogether. I'm sure there are specialized converters using the generative AI tech that actually work, but to the extent that they might be publicly available, they aren't easy to find, I'd bet that they're not cheap, and I'd also wager that they integrate traditional top-down methods with the AI to get the job done.
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Post by inavalan on Feb 5, 2024 14:18:18 GMT -5
As it always happened, advances in knowledge and technology lead to changes in the way some things are done, in obsoleting of some ways of thinking and professions. That causes all kinds of reactions from hopes to fears, from unrealistic expectations to not seeing the potential.
On the other hand, much of the efforts are focused on "rubbing the mirror", on perfecting old paradigms, not investigating the human mind potential.
For example, currently for ordinary communication you don't need to learn a foreign language. Multiple people can speak, each one using his own language, and use real-time machine translators. This has a great potential to improve the exchange of ideas, frees time and resources, surely with some limitations, which further technological progress keeps overcoming.
A much better way would be telepathy, which I believe to be a potential that currently is not consciously used. It seems possible that changes in the understanding of reality would / will lead to dramatic changes in the way we approach life. Think about the implications of universal use of telepathy! I can see how some people would / will fight tooth and nail such a development ...
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Post by Gopal on Feb 5, 2024 22:06:05 GMT -5
If your company purchases Microsoft products, Bing comes along with it. In this scenario, Bing Copilot is available for free and provides access to the latest version of ChatGPT. I frequently use it, and it functions exceptionally well for practical tasks. As you mentioned, it excels in work-related applications rather than delving into philosophical discussions. Contrary to the notion that these AIs are merely advanced search engines, there's a distinction. While a search engine retrieves information available on the web, AI goes a step further by generating responses. When seeking a program, ChatGPT can also generate the code. What astonishes me is its ability to uncover unique solutions that might not immediately occur to us. With the advent of ChatGPT, programming has become more accessible, but it also poses a challenge to our traditional thinking and coding skills. Neural net tech was founded on the idea that you let the machine discover the solution. The core principal was to simulate the brain, and a few writers back in the '90's drew the metaphor between left/right brain type solutions. The big breakthrough here seems to be in these generative-loops. Seems to me that google and Westlaw each were getting pretty good at understanding questions years ago. But now the bots can engage in these dialogs that refine the Q/A process. There is definitely still hype though. ChatGPT and the top-level google results suck at converting python to java. They're fast and can do simple stuff, but anything involving more than one or two functions and they fail big time. I paid for a subscription here (ChatGpt specifically disclaims and explains its limitations and cuts off any conversion at like 50 lines or so) and my first script broke it. Sent it into a loop of generating the same set of import statements that went on for several hundred lines before it choked altogether. I'm sure there are specialized converters using the generative AI tech that actually work, but to the extent that they might be publicly available, they aren't easy to find, I'd bet that they're not cheap, and I'd also wager that they integrate traditional top-down methods with the AI to get the job done. I concur with your observation that it might not be suitable for handling 100 lines of code. However, what I appreciate is its ability to swiftly generate small Ruby programs, which consistently prove effective for me. While ChatGPT's accuracy may be lower, Bing Copilot, which incorporates the latest version of ChatGPT, performs exceptionally well. I've also utilized the mentioned site primarily for verifying the conversion of Ruby to Java code, and I find it satisfactory. By the way, may I inquire why you utilize a Python to Java converter? As far as I'm aware, you predominantly code in Java, correct?
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Post by Gopal on Feb 5, 2024 22:09:30 GMT -5
As it always happened, advances in knowledge and technology lead to changes in the way some things are done, in obsoleting of some ways of thinking and professions. That causes all kinds of reactions from hopes to fears, from unrealistic expectations to not seeing the potential. On the other hand, much of the efforts are focused on "rubbing the mirror", on perfecting old paradigms, not investigating the human mind potential. For example, currently for ordinary communication you don't need to learn a foreign language. Multiple people can speak, each one using his own language, and use real-time machine translators. This has a great potential to improve the exchange of ideas, frees time and resources, surely with some limitations, which further technological progress keeps overcoming. A much better way would be telepathy, which I believe to be a potential that currently is not consciously used. It seems possible that changes in the understanding of reality would / will lead to dramatic changes in the way we approach life. Think about the implications of universal use of telepathy! I can see how some people would / will fight tooth and nail such a development ... I've employed telepathy, and it has proven effective for me. However, mastering this skill requires considerable practice. I've learned to implant my thoughts into someone else's mind without their awareness, and it indeed works. Yet, it's not an easy feat; it demands a substantial amount of practice. The Law of attraction operates similarly, relying on a clear mental image. Telepathy follows a similar principle but involves the reduction of brain waves.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Feb 5, 2024 23:06:50 GMT -5
As it always happened, advances in knowledge and technology lead to changes in the way some things are done, in obsoleting of some ways of thinking and professions. That causes all kinds of reactions from hopes to fears, from unrealistic expectations to not seeing the potential. On the other hand, much of the efforts are focused on "rubbing the mirror", on perfecting old paradigms, not investigating the human mind potential. For example, currently for ordinary communication you don't need to learn a foreign language. Multiple people can speak, each one using his own language, and use real-time machine translators. This has a great potential to improve the exchange of ideas, frees time and resources, surely with some limitations, which further technological progress keeps overcoming. A much better way would be telepathy, which I believe to be a potential that currently is not consciously used. It seems possible that changes in the understanding of reality would / will lead to dramatic changes in the way we approach life. Think about the implications of universal use of telepathy! I can see how some people would / will fight tooth and nail such a development ... I've employed telepathy, and it has proven effective for me. However, mastering this skill requires considerable practice. I've learned to implant my thoughts into someone else's mind without their awareness, and it indeed works. Fascinating. Can you prove this under experimentally controlled conditions?
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Post by Gopal on Feb 6, 2024 3:28:30 GMT -5
I've employed telepathy, and it has proven effective for me. However, mastering this skill requires considerable practice. I've learned to implant my thoughts into someone else's mind without their awareness, and it indeed works. Fascinating. Can you prove this under experimentally controlled conditions? What do you mean by "experimentally controlled conditions"?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Feb 6, 2024 12:59:30 GMT -5
Fascinating. Can you prove this under experimentally controlled conditions? What do you mean by "experimentally controlled conditions"? I mean conditions where scientists create a test that eliminates any chance that you could be communicating with the other person in some non-telepathic way, and then systematically investigates your claimed telepathy.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 6, 2024 23:43:32 GMT -5
What do you mean by "experimentally controlled conditions"? I mean conditions where scientists create a test that eliminates any chance that you could be communicating with the other person in some non-telepathic way, and then systematically investigates your claimed telepathy. Their reaction is evident to me. And also, I don't let the other party know that I am sending my thoughts to them. I always do that without letting them know. And also, it happens only when they are very near me. If they are standing far away from me, it's not happening. When I project my thoughts, they react in a certain way, so I know my thoughts wellup in their minds.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Feb 6, 2024 23:53:04 GMT -5
I mean conditions where scientists create a test that eliminates any chance that you could be communicating with the other person in some non-telepathic way, and then systematically investigates your claimed telepathy. Their reaction is evident to me. And also, I don't let the other party know that I am sending my thoughts to them. I always do that without letting them know. And also, it happens only when they are very near me. If they are standing far away from me, it's not happening. When I project my thoughts, they react in a certain way, so I know my thoughts wellup in their minds. Ok, but in a scientific experiment, you'd have to tell a scientist what the thought was that you were projecting, and then they'd make sure you didn't have a chance to influence this other person in advance. For example, you would not have a chance to meet or speak to or in any way communicate with this other person in advance. You could be physically near them, but people would be watching what was happening. And then this other person would be asked afterwards what thoughts occurred to them, to make sure that the thought they reported was what you said you would be implanting. Do you think you could implant your thoughts under these sorts of conditions? Do you understand what I am getting at? Scientists are trying to ensure that what is going on is actually telepathy and not merely someone playing a trick -- on either themselves or someone else.
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Post by andrew on Feb 7, 2024 1:19:19 GMT -5
Their reaction is evident to me. And also, I don't let the other party know that I am sending my thoughts to them. I always do that without letting them know. And also, it happens only when they are very near me. If they are standing far away from me, it's not happening. When I project my thoughts, they react in a certain way, so I know my thoughts wellup in their minds. Ok, but in a scientific experiment, you'd have to tell a scientist what the thought was that you were projecting, and then they'd make sure you didn't have a chance to influence this other person in advance. For example, you would not have a chance to meet or speak to or in any way communicate with this other person in advance. You could be physically near them, but people would be watching what was happening. And then this other person would be asked afterwards what thoughts occurred to them, to make sure that the thought they reported was what you said you would be implanting. Do you think you could implant your thoughts under these sorts of conditions? Do you understand what I am getting at? Scientists are trying to ensure that what is going on is actually telepathy and not merely someone playing a trick -- on either themselves or someone else. If he says 'yes' are you going to set up a science test for him? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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