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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 17:16:33 GMT -5
When they say the power output from the cubic meter is 275 watts, they mean the power coming directly off that cubic meter, not the power that eventually reaches the surface. Does that help clarify? You're making it more complicated by bringing in the surface, photons, and gamma rays, and 100,000 years and all that. And that's leading to some misunderstanding. Their statement is relatively simple – just looking a cubic meter of star-material in isolation, the fusion gives off 275 watts, enough for a few light bulbs. Yes, that's what I've been saying since my first reply. Thanks. Don't gaslight me bro. 😅
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 1, 2023 18:25:03 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I've been saying since my first reply. Thanks. Don't gaslight me bro. 😅 I said in my first reply I wasn't sure what you were saying, so I gave both options, at the core of the sun and at the surface of the sun, and I said they are incompatible. You eventually said you meant on the surface. I said, sure, that's correct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 19:02:43 GMT -5
I said in my first reply I wasn't sure what you were saying, so I gave both options, at the core of the sun and at the surface of the sun, and I said they are incompatible. You eventually said you meant on the surface. I said, sure, that's correct. Haha. Apparently I'm not speaking English well. I never said I meant the surface. It's in the core, in a cubic meter, the fusion power output is 275 watts. Maybe when I said "coming off that cubic meter", you somehow think I mean coming of it at the surface. No, I mean the energy coming out of that cubic meter, which is in the bleeping core. Not on the surface, in the core, where the hydrogen fusion is happening. Notice I'm saying cubic (3D), not square (2D). Since I can't speak English apparently, I'll quote Wikipedia. Maybe they do better: The large power output of the Sun is mainly due to the huge size and density of its core (compared to Earth and objects on Earth), with only a fairly small amount of power being generated per cubic metre. Theoretical models of the Sun's interior indicate a maximum power density, or energy production, of approximately 276.5 watts per cubic metre at the center of the core, which, according to Karl Kruszelnicki, is about the same power density inside a compost pile.I give up.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 1, 2023 19:21:14 GMT -5
I said in my first reply I wasn't sure what you were saying, so I gave both options, at the core of the sun and at the surface of the sun, and I said they are incompatible. You eventually said you meant on the surface. I said, sure, that's correct. Haha. Apparently I'm not speaking English well. I never said I meant the surface. It's in the core, in a cubic meter, the fusion power output is 275 watts. Maybe when I said "coming off that cubic meter", you somehow think I mean coming of it at the surface. No, I mean the energy coming out of that cubic meter, which is in the bleeping core. Not on the surface, in the core, where the hydrogen fusion is happening. Notice I'm saying cubic (3D), not square (2D). Since I can't speak English apparently, I'll quote Wikipedia. Maybe they do better: The large power output of the Sun is mainly due to the huge size and density of its core (compared to Earth and objects on Earth), with only a fairly small amount of power being generated per cubic metre. Theoretical models of the Sun's interior indicate a maximum power density, or energy production, of approximately 276.5 watts per cubic metre at the center of the core, which, according to Karl Kruszelnicki, is about the same power density inside a compost pile.I give up. I will even give you that, taking overall, averaging. That's not what concerns me. What's important is the actual point of the fusion of two hydrogen atoms which release energy in the process of forming a helium atom. Concerning averages, it's not important where, in the core of the sun, fusion is-not-occurring. Does that make sense? To be able to cost effective create clean energy through fusion, on earth, that's what's important. Yes? No? I will look to se if you linked the article, that seems necessary, for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 20:10:15 GMT -5
I will even give you that, taking overall, averaging. That's not what concerns me. What's important is the actual point of the fusion of two hydrogen atoms which release energy in the process of forming a helium atom. Concerning averages, it's not important where, in the core of the sun, fusion is-not-occurring. Does that make sense? To be able to cost effective create clean energy through fusion, on earth, that's what's important. Yes? No? I will look to se if you linked the article, that seems necessary, for me. Yes, nuclear fusion for energy could be great. It's very difficult, but maybe they will succeed. You may be interested to know that simply getting fusion to happen is easy. I was surprised to learn that some hobbyists and high school kids have done it in their home workshops, and unlike a fission reactor, the government will not lock you up for messing with it. The hard part is getting out more energy out than you put in. Plus dealing with the released neutrons which like to destroy the container and turn it radioactive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 2:03:51 GMT -5
We're launching the rocket to the sun tomorrow, everyone. It's going to be 120 days journey Are there any key things they are trying study about the sun, that you're watching for? I don't know much about what research they could do there. Just getting high res photos back could be awesome. I learned recently something interesting about the sun: the fusion power it generates is not that intense - per unit of volume it's something like the heat generated by the human body. It get's super-hot because it's so huge and heat can't escape easily. That has some ramifications for potential fusion power on Earth. We don't need to just duplicate the fusion process in the sun; we would need to make it much more dense and intense. It's launched now, all the televisions are telecasting that right now. The motto behind this is not clear.
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Post by laughter on Sept 2, 2023 11:32:20 GMT -5
I will even give you that, taking overall, averaging. That's not what concerns me. What's important is the actual point of the fusion of two hydrogen atoms which release energy in the process of forming a helium atom. Concerning averages, it's not important where, in the core of the sun, fusion is-not-occurring. Does that make sense? To be able to cost effective create clean energy through fusion, on earth, that's what's important. Yes? No? I will look to se if you linked the article, that seems necessary, for me. Yes, nuclear fusion for energy could be great. It's very difficult, but maybe they will succeed. You may be interested to know that simply getting fusion to happen is easy. I was surprised to learn that some hobbyists and high school kids have done it in their home workshops, and unlike a fission reactor, the government will not lock you up for messing with it. The hard part is getting out more energy out than you put in. Plus dealing with the released neutrons which like to destroy the container and turn it radioactive. Stumbled onto a vid about a company applying an interesting twist. It described the Tokamak strategy as harvesting the heat of the reaction. These guys instead are trying to generate power by the changes in the em fields resulting in the pressures against the containment. Those change the shape of the "magnetic bottle". Sounds to me, at least intuitively, as if it would be more efficient than a tokamak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 9:54:05 GMT -5
What? Who is paying money to India? Sorry I am not aware of that. No need to apologise ... it is about 2.4 billion over a 5 year period .. It does make you question at times when financial aid is given to countries that spend a fortune on nuclear weapons or space programs when their own country is experiencing their own financial crisis . I am not sure why these countries don't spend their own money on helping their own countrymen rather than want to land on the moon . I am not sure how that helps people that are homeless and hungry . All you have to know is, The sequence of celestial bodies - Moon, Sun, Mars, and soon, Venus - may not astonish Western observers. India, once a prosperous and knowledge-rich nation, endured two centuries of colonization that stripped it of its wealth, leaving its people among the world's poorest. However, India has embarked on a remarkable journey to reclaim its global standing. Presently, over 20 CEOs of major multinational companies, including Google and Microsoft, hail from India. The country has ascended to become the fifth-largest economy in the world, surpassing Britain.
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Post by andrew on Sept 3, 2023 10:00:02 GMT -5
No need to apologise ... it is about 2.4 billion over a 5 year period .. It does make you question at times when financial aid is given to countries that spend a fortune on nuclear weapons or space programs when their own country is experiencing their own financial crisis . I am not sure why these countries don't spend their own money on helping their own countrymen rather than want to land on the moon . I am not sure how that helps people that are homeless and hungry . All you have to know is, The sequence of celestial bodies - Moon, Sun, Mars, and soon, Venus - may not astonish Western observers. India, once a prosperous and knowledge-rich nation, endured two centuries of colonization that stripped it of its wealth, leaving its people among the world's poorest. However, India has embarked on a remarkable journey to reclaim its global standing. Presently, over 20 CEOs of major multinational companies, including Google and Microsoft, hail from India. The country has ascended to become the fifth-largest economy in the world, surpassing Britain. You have spent hours telling me that your baby doesn't appear unless you are directly seeing her. I have given you hundreds of invitations to acknowledge the context of what you have told me about directly seeing your baby, but you consistently ignored or denied those invitations. So I really, really, really don't understand how what you said here...your understandings about the planets, about 'India', about history.....fits in with your strongly held view that your baby only appears when you directly see her. Can you put the pieces together for me?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 11:11:48 GMT -5
All you have to know is, The sequence of celestial bodies - Moon, Sun, Mars, and soon, Venus - may not astonish Western observers. India, once a prosperous and knowledge-rich nation, endured two centuries of colonization that stripped it of its wealth, leaving its people among the world's poorest. However, India has embarked on a remarkable journey to reclaim its global standing. Presently, over 20 CEOs of major multinational companies, including Google and Microsoft, hail from India. The country has ascended to become the fifth-largest economy in the world, surpassing Britain. You have spent hours telling me that your baby doesn't appear unless you are directly seeing her. I have given you hundreds of invitations to acknowledge the context of what you have told me about directly seeing your baby, but you consistently ignored or denied those invitations. So I really, really, really don't understand how what you said here...your understandings about the planets, about 'India', about history.....fits in with your strongly held view that your baby only appears when you directly see her. Can you put the pieces together for me? You will not understand even if I explain you. You will be answered by yourself oneday.
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Post by andrew on Sept 3, 2023 12:57:37 GMT -5
You have spent hours telling me that your baby doesn't appear unless you are directly seeing her. I have given you hundreds of invitations to acknowledge the context of what you have told me about directly seeing your baby, but you consistently ignored or denied those invitations. So I really, really, really don't understand how what you said here...your understandings about the planets, about 'India', about history.....fits in with your strongly held view that your baby only appears when you directly see her. Can you put the pieces together for me? You will not understand even if I explain you. You will be answered by yourself oneday. My answer would be that they are 2 different contexts, but I also remember that you were not happy with that answer.
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Post by inavalan on Sept 3, 2023 15:50:37 GMT -5
All you have to know is, The sequence of celestial bodies - Moon, Sun, Mars, and soon, Venus - may not astonish Western observers. India, once a prosperous and knowledge-rich nation, endured two centuries of colonization that stripped it of its wealth, leaving its people among the world's poorest. However, India has embarked on a remarkable journey to reclaim its global standing. Presently, over 20 CEOs of major multinational companies, including Google and Microsoft, hail from India. The country has ascended to become the fifth-largest economy in the world, surpassing Britain. You have spent hours telling me that your baby doesn't appear unless you are directly seeing her. I have given you hundreds of invitations to acknowledge the context of what you have told me about directly seeing your baby, but you consistently ignored or denied those invitations. So I really, really, really don't understand how what you said here...your understandings about the planets, about 'India', about history.....fits in with your strongly held view that your baby only appears when you directly see her. Can you put the pieces together for me? People should get in the habit of comparing their spiritual beliefs with their secular thinking and behavior. Your question is a good query. Obviously Gopal is proud of his cultural heritage. It is also obvious that his patriotic views, as reflected in the above post don't correlate with his expressed spiritual beliefs. It isn't popular to think that victims attracted their predicament, and that they accepted it at some level. This doesn't excuse the perpetrators at all, but the victim-perpetrator match is unconsciously accepted by both sides. At any level of life there are such matches, subjectively perceived differently by the involved parts and by observers.
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Post by andrew on Sept 3, 2023 17:36:37 GMT -5
You have spent hours telling me that your baby doesn't appear unless you are directly seeing her. I have given you hundreds of invitations to acknowledge the context of what you have told me about directly seeing your baby, but you consistently ignored or denied those invitations. So I really, really, really don't understand how what you said here...your understandings about the planets, about 'India', about history.....fits in with your strongly held view that your baby only appears when you directly see her. Can you put the pieces together for me? People should get in the habit of comparing their spiritual beliefs with their secular thinking and behavior. Your question is a good query. Obviously Gopal is proud of his cultural heritage. It is also obvious that his patriotic views, as reflected in the above post don't correlate with his expressed spiritual beliefs. It isn't popular to think that victims attracted their predicament, and that they accepted it at some level. This doesn't excuse the perpetrators at all, but the victim-perpetrator match is unconsciously accepted by both sides. At any level of life there are such matches, subjectively perceived differently by the involved parts and by observers. Yes, understand. In the case of Gopal it is a strange situation to me. The idea of 'India' can be understood to be an abstract idea, even by non-spiritual standards. One doesn't have to be spiritual to understand that countries are just land masses, arbitrarily divided, and represented by a 'flag'. I feel patriotism does have its place in certain limited contexts, but then I am more supportive of abstraction and assumption than Gopal has traditionally been. He has always taken a very hard view on perception i.e the appearance of something is 100% dependent on whether he is perceiving it, right then and then. Gopal, when does India appear?
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Post by andrew on Sept 3, 2023 17:38:23 GMT -5
On the other hand, let me just say, that if India's achievements make you happy Gopal, then I support that. I'm actually happy to see you taking that position!
I just don't get how it works for you.
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Post by andrew on Sept 3, 2023 19:15:47 GMT -5
1990s Eddie Izzard was funny
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