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Post by lolly on Feb 20, 2023 16:58:28 GMT -5
Technology went to certain point and I thought it was good, but after a point I thought it's just a step too far, became bizarre as Earth became clown world, so I'm letting the world get on with it, but for me, enough is enough.
Occasionally I send a text that I can write for my self, and I don't like pretending to act like there's an intelligent machine. You know how the automatic checkout machine says 'thank you come again' after you pay, there's nothing there. It's just an empty noise dissolving in the air. It sounds like gratitude but it isn't. Well, that's going to be everything. I'll know people told the machine to compose their texts to me and stuff, and they'll start just letting the digital twin handle it - even their voice calls will be curated through a digital twin that looks way sexier than they do IRL and speaks with perfect inflection. Art will be reduced to low value rubbish a machine generates in a millisecond. I'll know everything is FAKE long after everyone else stops noticing, but most will be glad they have the AI interface between themselves and everyone else because the machine just does things better, everyone pretends it's real anyway, and actually being visible and real is just weird.
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 17:13:53 GMT -5
Technology went to certain point and I thought it was good, but after a point I thought it's just a step too far, became bizarre as Earth became clown world, so I'm letting the world get on with it, but for me, enough is enough. Occasionally I send a text that I can write for my self, and I don't like pretending to act like there's an intelligent machine. You know how the automatic checkout machine says 'thank you come again' after you pay, there's nothing there. It's just an empty noise dissolving in the air. It sounds like gratitude but it isn't. Well, that's going to be everything. I'll know people told the machine to compose their texts to me and stuff, and they'll start just letting the digital twin handle it - even their voice calls will be curated through a digital twin that looks way sexier than they do IRL and speaks with perfect inflection. Art will be reduced to low value rubbish a machine generates in a millisecond. I'll know everything is FAKE long after everyone else stops noticing, but most will be glad they have the AI interface between themselves and everyone else because the machine just does things better and people everyone pretends it's real anyway, and actually being visible and genuinely real is just weird. I share your sentiment. 'AI' is about 'better results' or 'improved performance', and I don't think life is about that. I'm all for following our creative passions and desires, but it's for the joy of it, and 'improvement' is a secondary benefit. The juice of life is in the 'inspiration', because inspiration is divine. For all AI's capacity for excellent performance, it won't be 'inspired' performance. And if we aren't careful, we will hand over our own inspiration to the bots. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 20, 2023 17:27:59 GMT -5
Technology went to certain point and I thought it was good, but after a point I thought it's just a step too far, became bizarre as Earth became clown world, so I'm letting the world get on with it, but for me, enough is enough. Occasionally I send a text that I can write for my self, and I don't like pretending to act like there's an intelligent machine. You know how the automatic checkout machine says 'thank you come again' after you pay, there's nothing there. It's just an empty noise dissolving in the air. It sounds like gratitude but it isn't. Well, that's going to be everything. I'll know people told the machine to compose their texts to me and stuff, and they'll start just letting the digital twin handle it - even their voice calls will be curated through a digital twin that looks way sexier than they do IRL and speaks with perfect inflection. Art will be reduced to low value rubbish a machine generates in a millisecond. I'll know everything is FAKE long after everyone else stops noticing, but most will be glad they have the AI interface between themselves and everyone else because the machine just does things better and people everyone pretends it's real anyway, and actually being visible and genuinely real is just weird. The checkout clerk says the same, with the same gratitude. That isn't a good example. What is "art"? What is "value"? What is "fake"? What is "actually being visible and genuinely real"? This is "really" funny! We have only hypotheses about what the physical-reality, that we perceive through our five-senses, represents. Everyone is a "brain in a vat".  How does all this AI thing, fear, doom jibe with our "spiritual" realizations? If it doesn't, then we aren't that "realized", are we?  We just fool ourselves. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 20, 2023 17:45:02 GMT -5
Technology went to certain point and I thought it was good, but after a point I thought it's just a step too far, became bizarre as Earth became clown world, so I'm letting the world get on with it, but for me, enough is enough. Occasionally I send a text that I can write for my self, and I don't like pretending to act like there's an intelligent machine. You know how the automatic checkout machine says 'thank you come again' after you pay, there's nothing there. It's just an empty noise dissolving in the air. It sounds like gratitude but it isn't. Well, that's going to be everything. I'll know people told the machine to compose their texts to me and stuff, and they'll start just letting the digital twin handle it - even their voice calls will be curated through a digital twin that looks way sexier than they do IRL and speaks with perfect inflection. Art will be reduced to low value rubbish a machine generates in a millisecond. I'll know everything is FAKE long after everyone else stops noticing, but most will be glad they have the AI interface between themselves and everyone else because the machine just does things better and people everyone pretends it's real anyway, and actually being visible and genuinely real is just weird. I share your sentiment. 'AI' is about 'better results' or 'improved performance', and I don't think life is about that. I'm all for following our creative passions and desires, but it's for the joy of it, and 'improvement' is a secondary benefit. The juice of life is in the 'inspiration', because inspiration is divine. For all AI's capacity for excellent performance, it won't be 'inspired' performance. And if we aren't careful, we will hand over our own inspiration to the bots. As I see it, " artificial intelligence" is less dangerous than " natural stupidity", the kind we see around us, in our political leaders, in the masses that blindly follow them, in science, military, communities, everywhere. I doubt that an AI would've brought the world where it is now, and on its current trajectory. |
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Post by lolly on Feb 20, 2023 18:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 18:41:28 GMT -5
ChatGPT's arrival actually changed my mind as to what AI can do
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 18:52:11 GMT -5
I share your sentiment. 'AI' is about 'better results' or 'improved performance', and I don't think life is about that. I'm all for following our creative passions and desires, but it's for the joy of it, and 'improvement' is a secondary benefit. The juice of life is in the 'inspiration', because inspiration is divine. For all AI's capacity for excellent performance, it won't be 'inspired' performance. And if we aren't careful, we will hand over our own inspiration to the bots. As I see it, " artificial intelligence" is less dangerous than " natural stupidity", the kind we see around us, in our political leaders, in the masses that blindly follow them, in science, military, communities, everywhere. I doubt that an AI would've brought the world where it is now, and on its current trajectory. I hear you, but what is 'stupidity' exactly? Is it maybe an individual consciousness exploring a particular theme? Maybe an immature soul with lessons to learn? I assume that it's through experience that we overcome stupidity, maybe the stupid just haven't had the necessary experience yet.....? Or maybe it's just too much fluoride in the water! |
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 18:54:09 GMT -5
ChatGPT's arrival actually changed my mind as to what AI can do The ChatGPT is politically programmed, and that's another problem. Whoever controls the AI, controls the narratives. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 18:59:58 GMT -5
ChatGPT's arrival actually changed my mind as to what AI can do The ChatGPT is politically programmed, and that's another problem. Whoever controls the AI, controls the narratives. The one programmed can't predict what it will create. That's what AI is! The creator of chess program can't win the same program. |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 20, 2023 19:06:21 GMT -5
As I see it, " artificial intelligence" is less dangerous than " natural stupidity", the kind we see around us, in our political leaders, in the masses that blindly follow them, in science, military, communities, everywhere. I doubt that an AI would've brought the world where it is now, and on its current trajectory. I hear you, but what is 'stupidity' exactly? Is it maybe an individual consciousness exploring a particular theme? Maybe an immature soul with lessons to learn? I assume that it's through experience that we overcome stupidity, maybe the stupid just haven't had the necessary experience yet.....? Or maybe it's just too much fluoride in the water! The way I use these terms, stupidity is an expression of ignorance when arrogance and / or stubbornness are added. From soul point of view, I believe that stupidity happens when the soul takes on itself more than it can handle, before its level of evolvement can handle a specific problem. Stupidity isn't necessary, nor unavoidable. I guess humility can prevent, alleviate, cure it. It isn't fluoride (see Niz' smoking). |
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 19:16:29 GMT -5
The ChatGPT is politically programmed, and that's another problem. Whoever controls the AI, controls the narratives. The one programmed can't predict what it will create. That's what AI is! The creator of chess program can't win the same program. There have certainly been political limits programmed into the ChatGPT bot. They call it a 'Trust and Safety' layer. I can't show you, because you don't watch videos. For example, apparently the AI will give you a nice poem about Biden, but won't give you a nice poem about Trump. Check it if you like. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 19:17:41 GMT -5
I hear you, but what is 'stupidity' exactly? Is it maybe an individual consciousness exploring a particular theme? Maybe an immature soul with lessons to learn? I assume that it's through experience that we overcome stupidity, maybe the stupid just haven't had the necessary experience yet.....? Or maybe it's just too much fluoride in the water! The way I use these terms, stupidity is an expression of ignorance when arrogance and / or stubbornness are added. From soul point of view, I believe that stupidity happens when the soul takes on itself more than it can handle, before its level of evolvement can handle a specific problem.
Stupidity isn't necessary, nor unavoidable. I guess humility can prevent, alleviate, cure it. It isn't fluoride (see Niz' smoking). That's an interesting understanding. So has the soul made a mistake in taking on too much, or does it want to experience what it's like to take on more than it can handle? |
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 19:21:33 GMT -5
Technology went to certain point and I thought it was good, but after a point I thought it's just a step too far, became bizarre as Earth became clown world, so I'm letting the world get on with it, but for me, enough is enough. Occasionally I send a text that I can write for my self, and I don't like pretending to act like there's an intelligent machine. You know how the automatic checkout machine says 'thank you come again' after you pay, there's nothing there. It's just an empty noise dissolving in the air. It sounds like gratitude but it isn't. Well, that's going to be everything. I'll know people told the machine to compose their texts to me and stuff, and they'll start just letting the digital twin handle it - even their voice calls will be curated through a digital twin that looks way sexier than they do IRL and speaks with perfect inflection. Art will be reduced to low value rubbish a machine generates in a millisecond. I'll know everything is FAKE long after everyone else stops noticing, but most will be glad they have the AI interface between themselves and everyone else because the machine just does things better and people everyone pretends it's real anyway, and actually being visible and genuinely real is just weird. The checkout clerk says the same, with the same gratitude. That isn't a good example. What is "art"? What is "value"? What is "fake"? What is "actually being visible and genuinely real"? This is "really" funny! We have only hypotheses about what the physical-reality, that we perceive through our five-senses, represents. Everyone is a "brain in a vat". How does all this AI thing, fear, doom jibe with our "spiritual" realizations? If it doesn't, then we aren't that "realized", are we? We just fool ourselves. I'd say that inspiration and intuition come from a higher mind, or higher self, and that's why the AI has no access to it. So although AI can create high performance art, it can only do so from within a particular boundary, and I'm not sure that is 'art' (I guess it depends on definition). Problem solving is its arena. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 20, 2023 19:36:17 GMT -5
 ok, now do a poem.  (.. no ai! ..) You are definitely my friend and I never say no to you, here it is for you
This seemed like a solidly good poem to me, I wouldn't have know it was AI. It's good performance. But what I believe we are compelled to look for in each other is the inner unique genius. That spark of 'something' magical that we each have, that comes from beyond the material performance level. We could probably watch AI perform to extraordinary standards that is way beyond human in some regards, but we won't ever see its inner genius, unless AI somehow crosses the boundary from artificial intelligence to actual intelligence. I doubt we'd ever look at an AI poem and sense genius. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 20, 2023 20:33:00 GMT -5
Folks who've been imagining this for long before either of us were born eventually wind up at the idea of the "singularity". I could point you to fiction that's decades old that illustrates this point. Functionally, you have to anticipate that eventually, we'll be able to create systems capable of modifying themselves and even changing over time in such ways that we don't understand as and after those changes occur. Even then though, as reefs has pointed out, there is the plug - but again, some of the futurists have imagined scenarios where the AI gains control of the power source via robotics (duh, but still, an energy source is always a vulnerability of a force). Also, even an AI capable of generating insights beyond that of human capability will still ultimately be reflecting the goals, designs and bias of the initial system developers. Undoubtedly, I have been thoroughly amazed by my recent discoveries over the past three weeks. This journey began with my fortuitous encounter with a news channel, which piqued my curiosity, leading me to delve into its vast capabilities. From my investigation, I have gleaned the following: Firstly, it possesses an extensive repository of data, which is one of its distinctive features. Additionally, its proficiency in understanding the English language surpasses that of any other machine. No matter how intricate or specific your query may be, in the event that you require further clarification, you can pose additional questions, and it will delve deeper into the subject matter to provide you with the necessary clarity. Furthermore, while Google conducts searches for web pages, this machine is capable of producing content, thus distinguishing it from its counterparts. If I were to request that it write or translate code from one language to another, it would do so, although the accuracy cannot be guaranteed due to the absence of a compiler or interpreter to validate it. For instance, if I were to reference the Bible, this machine could retrieve verses related to my inquiry, providing me with the evidence to support my query. Thus, If I asked why Paul believed that Jesus was the Son of God, it would supply me with the relevant scripture. I could continue to pose logical questions, and the machine would respond as if a human were on the other end of the conversation. Hence, I can confidently assert that in my perspective, this machine is executing its task remarkably well. The products of human ingenuity, organization and effort can be quite sublime to contemplate. Think of what goes into a car, or how much work it took to construct the national road networks or to build a skyscraper. Even the work required to build a residential house -- all the components, the fact that in cities there's plumbed water and gas, and then, of course, the electrical grid. For the most part, we take all of this for as granted as we do the functions of our body. |
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We just fool ourselves.
ok, now do a poem. 