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Post by inavalan on Feb 18, 2024 2:13:13 GMT -5
... You can play the role being immersed in it, or being lucid. It is the same as regular dreaming vs. lucid-dreaming.
A more evolved entity, as Seth is, can control his level of immersion / lucidity better than a less evolved entity, as the entities most of us are part of are.In Ramana's quote terms, a male-actor playing a woman knows he isn't a woman. A good actor, as Seth is, can choose to believe to be a woman for the duration of the play, and play it more convincingly, in his own interpretation. A less good actor, as most of us are, will play the role less convincingly, believing to be a man that plays a woman, ... or even believing to be a woman who is forced to play a man that plays a woman  There is "method acting", for more authentic acting, which allegedly drived some actors crazy, because they misunderstood what they were and what they were doing, according to their evolvement and beliefs. . Seth is aware that it is a role, as is Ramana, which makes them not very convincing actors. There's a certain aloofness about these guys that spoils the convincingness of their performance. The average human though, is fully immersed in his/her role, and as such they fully embody that role and therefore are the best actors. They have the most intense experience. You can't have that when you are holding on to the witness position. Again the analogy to computer games. If you play with friends, in the same room, and you are always aware that you are just playing, it's fun, but it is no comparison at all in terms of depth and immediacy of experience when you are playing alone, totally immersed in the game and forget who you are, where you are and how much time you've already spent playing. It's a totally different quality of experience. Someone asked Abe a question once about dogs and why they love to stick their head out of a car window while risking getting bugs in their eyes, and they said, because it's so worth it! Similarly, why risk getting totally lost in your role? Because it's totally worth it! What's the worst thing that could happen anyway? Another thing Abe always say is that if we only knew how much we wanted to be in these bodies, we wouldn't try to get out of them all the time, haha. So this is where I usually disagree with popular spiritual paradigm of life being a school or the purpose of life being SR. SR is a given. And there is only what you are and no end to experience. So what's there left to do? Just live, full immersion, hands in the clay, right here right now. , I didn't express clearly what I meant. I wanted to say that a less evolved person gets stuck in the immersed state because he can't control his state well enough. If he became lucid, he couldn't then immerse and revert back to lucidity. Such a person couldn't play his incarnational role well, and couldn't benefit enough from his experience. I believe that we should aim to being in a default state of lucidity, and intentionally dip into an immersed state optimized for each task at hand, learning to revert to lucidity once the task is completed. I don't think that we're here to enjoy, or to accumulate knowledge only unconsciously. We always do that in the dreamless sleep state. EDIT: By lucidity, I mean a state of expanded focus in which you are aware, at the same time, of both your inner and outer aspects of your personality; like you feel when lucid-dreaming. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 18, 2024 2:43:04 GMT -5
The machines are appearing in your focus, those are being created and its expression is created as well. God is the ultimate ruler without giving control to anything. Surprisingly well-educated Christian knows that even bible teaches the same. Read from a Catholic pamphlet: "don't settle for the God of your imagination". What's the verse that goes ? .. "my ways are not your ways" .. ? "God" as a "controller" is one way to try to make sense of what will never completely make sense. God is neither personal, nor impersonal. Biasing a perspective one way or another leads to falsity. Best not to think about it. In fact, I mentioned that such a concept is promoted by Christianity in the Bible. Additionally, my direct observation is that everything moves as one. Hence, I was attempting to draw a connection between the two. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 18, 2024 2:44:44 GMT -5
Everything is appearance, those appearances are creation. Nothing escapes. Does the same infinite intelligence that 'operates' AI and Gopal also 'operate' Gopal's daughter and Gopal's wife? Infinite doesn't operate me, I myself is that Infinite viewing this reality from one of its viewpoints. You are another viewpoint. Tenka is another viewpoint so do everybody else. But this viewpoint can't know whether there is any other viewpoint exist because knowing happens at individual level. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 18, 2024 8:20:52 GMT -5
Oh, no doubt. "Supreme ruler" is a personification. For some people that personification "works" in various ways at various times in their lives, but it's misconceived, ammo for atheists, and the seed of certain destructive ideations about reality. I think Niz also preferred the Ishvara concept for God. After all, he placed himself prior to God. That you can only do with Ishvara, but not with Brahman. There's a potential for confusion that seems to me to spin out differently based on cultural conditioning and context: what all human beings actually are is infinite, but the infinite cannot be contained. Maybe a way to point to this is to say that God is you, but you are not God. "The wave is the ocean, but the ocean is not the wave" sotra' points the same way, with the potential ptifall of objectification. And then, again, there is the way that Niz would distinguish between "Consciousness" and "Awareness", and the way some skillfull folks can sometimes point to the truth by disclaiming that anything ever really happens. It's related to the point that the Present is not a small interval of time. Eternity, is sideways to time. To say that Eternity encompasses time would be accurate, but similar to ocean/wave, risks objectification. Intervals in temporary flow are timeless, but can be reflected on in terms of a beginning, and and end. "Creation" to someone trying to understand it from the personal perspective, is premised on a flow of time. The pointer of "prior-to" is one of those notions that has a useful shadow in the form of a quiescent body/mind in a true witnessing position, but it also is premised on change, which, at bedrock is all that time is: change. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 18, 2024 8:27:49 GMT -5
Read from a Catholic pamphlet: "don't settle for the God of your imagination". What's the verse that goes ? .. "my ways are not your ways" .. ? "God" as a "controller" is one way to try to make sense of what will never completely make sense. God is neither personal, nor impersonal. Biasing a perspective one way or another leads to falsity. Best not to think about it. In fact, I mentioned that such a concept is promoted by Christianity in the Bible. Additionally, my direct observation is that everything moves as one. Hence, I was attempting to draw a connection between the two. Drawing such connections can be a tricky business.  There is no explaining the relationship of the individual to what moves as One. For practical purposes, people accept one explanation or another, but your curiosity can serve you well in looking past those. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 18, 2024 20:34:52 GMT -5
I rather think it's the other way around. Seth is aware that it is a role, as is Ramana, which makes them not very convincing actors. There's a certain aloofness about these guys that spoils the convincingness of their performance. The average human though, is fully immersed in his/her role, and as such they fully embody that role and therefore are the best actors. They have the most intense experience. You can't have that when you are holding on to the witness position. Again the analogy to computer games. If you play with friends, in the same room, and you are always aware that you are just playing, it's fun, but it is no comparison at all in terms of depth and immediacy of experience when you are playing alone, totally immersed in the game and forget who you are, where you are and how much time you've already spent playing. It's a totally different quality of experience. Someone asked Abe a question once about dogs and why they love to stick their head out of a car window while risking getting bugs in their eyes, and they said, because it's so worth it! Similarly, why risk getting totally lost in your role? Because it's totally worth it! What's the worst thing that could happen anyway? Another thing Abe always say is that if we only knew how much we wanted to be in these bodies, we wouldn't try to get out of them all the time, haha. So this is where I usually disagree with popular spiritual paradigm of life being a school or the purpose of life being SR. SR is a given. And there is only what you are and no end to experience. So what's there left to do? Just live, full immersion, hands in the clay, right here right now. , I didn't express clearly what I meant. I wanted to say that a less evolved person gets stuck in the immersed state because he can't control his state well enough. If he became lucid, he couldn't then immerse and revert back to lucidity. Such a person couldn't play his incarnational role well, and couldn't benefit enough from his experience. I believe that we should aim to being in a default state of lucidity, and intentionally dip into an immersed state optimized for each task at hand, learning to revert to lucidity once the task is completed. I don't think that we're here to enjoy, or to accumulate knowledge only unconsciously. We always do that in the dreamless sleep state. EDIT: By lucidity, I mean a state of expanded focus in which you are aware, at the same time, of both your inner and outer aspects of your personality; like you feel when lucid-dreaming. Okay, I see. What do you mean by "incarnational role"? Do you mean karma or just pre-birth intention? |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 18, 2024 20:43:13 GMT -5
Does the same infinite intelligence that 'operates' AI and Gopal also 'operate' Gopal's daughter and Gopal's wife? Infinite doesn't operate me, I myself is that Infinite viewing this reality from one of its viewpoints. You are another viewpoint. Tenka is another viewpoint so do everybody else. But this viewpoint can't know whether there is any other viewpoint exist because knowing happens at individual level. If you are infinite intelligence then, by definition, there is nothing that you cannot know. And if there is no separation anywhere in the universe, then again, by definition, there is nothing that can keep you from knowing if Tenka is another perceiver or not, except your own ignorance (which is optional). So if you truly believe that there is no separate and that infinite intelligence operates everything in your experience, then you cannot speak in such absolute terms. Because if you insist that it cannot be known, then must necessarily believe in actual separation and infinite intelligence not actually being infinite. So, make up your mind. Either go with oneness and drop the other perceiver uncertainty dogma, or stick with the other perceiver uncertainty dogma but drop oneness and reinstate separation. You see, if you want to have it both ways, then you are just proving that you don't actually understand what no separation and infinite intelligence means, i.e. you are just making stuff up. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 18, 2024 22:11:57 GMT -5
Infinite doesn't operate me, I myself is that Infinite viewing this reality from one of its viewpoints. You are another viewpoint. Tenka is another viewpoint so do everybody else. But this viewpoint can't know whether there is any other viewpoint exist because knowing happens at individual level. If you are infinite intelligence then, by definition, there is nothing that you cannot know. And if there is no separation anywhere in the universe, then again, by definition, there is nothing that can keep you from knowing if Tenka is another perceiver or not, except your own ignorance (which is optional). So if you truly believe that there is no separate and that infinite intelligence operates everything in your experience, then you cannot speak in such absolute terms. Because if you insist that it cannot be known, then must necessarily believe in actual separation and infinite intelligence not actually being infinite. So, make up your mind. Either go with oneness and drop the other perceiver uncertainty dogma, or stick with the other perceiver uncertainty dogma but drop oneness and reinstate separation. You see, if you want to have it both ways, then you are just proving that you don't actually understand what no separation and infinite intelligence means, i.e. you are just making stuff up. Infinite Intelligence knows 'something' when it touches the thought/perception. That's the sole means through which it can know something. Then how does it know whether it has other perceiving point? When it touches the other thought/perception, then it comes to know something else other than the first viewpoint. So how can it know whether it has another viewpoint from one of its viewpoints? Impossible, yes? |
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Post by inavalan on Feb 18, 2024 22:16:19 GMT -5
You are correct, I didn't express clearly what I meant. I wanted to say that a less evolved person gets stuck in the immersed state because he can't control his state well enough. If he became lucid, he couldn't then immerse and revert back to lucidity. Such a person couldn't play his incarnational role well, and couldn't benefit enough from his experience. I believe that we should aim to being in a default state of lucidity, and intentionally dip into an immersed state optimized for each task at hand, learning to revert to lucidity once the task is completed. I don't think that we're here to enjoy, or to accumulate knowledge only unconsciously. We always do that in the dreamless sleep state. EDIT: By lucidity, I mean a state of expanded focus in which you are aware, at the same time, of both your inner and outer aspects of your personality; like you feel when lucid-dreaming. Okay, I see. What do you mean by "incarnational role"? Do you mean karma or just pre-birth intention? In my understanding, the physical reality is a consciousness hyperspace: time, 3d-space, alternate realities, populated by identities / avatars (incarnational roles). When launching a new incarnation, the entity chooses an entry point (the coordinates mentioned above) that is probable to offer the best opportunities to meet the entity's goals for that incarnation. Then, the incarnated personality has free will, and supervision, in every state and stage it experiences. This means that when Ruburt decided to incarnate as Jane Roberts, he had laid out a probable path that checked several goals, including to channel Seth. We don't know how well Jane's life met Ruburt's objectives, if it required rework or change of plans. An incarnational role is an identity / avatar that probabilistically follows a set of possible paths through the hyperspace, and that can be and is selected and experienced by an endless number of entities, each in its own way. Seth mentioned that he experienced being Ruburt / Jane too, obviously in a different way. EDIT: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/506357 |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 18, 2024 23:51:42 GMT -5
Okay, I see. What do you mean by "incarnational role"? Do you mean karma or just pre-birth intention? In my understanding, the physical reality is a consciousness hyperspace: time, 3d-space, alternate realities, populated by identities / avatars (incarnational roles). When launching a new incarnation, the entity chooses an entry point (the coordinates mentioned above) that is probable to offer the best opportunities to meet the entity's goals for that incarnation. Then, the incarnated personality has free will, and supervision, in every state and stage it experiences. This means that when Ruburt decided to incarnate as Jane Roberts, he had laid out a probable path that checked several goals, including to channel Seth. We don't know how well Jane's life met Ruburt's objectives, if it required rework or change of plans. An incarnational role is an identity / avatar that probabilistically follows a set of possible paths through the hyperspace, and that can be and is selected and experienced by an endless number of entities, each in its own way. Seth mentioned that he experienced being Ruburt / Jane too, obviously in a different way. EDIT: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/506357Okay, I can agree with that. So RM had not cancer because he was naughty in a previous life but because he made stupid decisions in this life. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2024 8:38:52 GMT -5
In Ramana's quote terms, a male-actor playing a woman knows he isn't a woman. A good actor, as Seth is, can choose to believe to be a woman for the duration of the play, and play it more convincingly, in his own interpretation. A less good actor, as most of us are, will play the role less convincingly, believing to be a man that plays a woman, ... or even believing to be a woman who is forced to play a man that plays a woman There is "method acting", for more authentic acting, which allegedly drived some actors crazy, because they misunderstood what they were and what they were doing, according to their evolvement and beliefs. I rather think it's the other way around. Seth is aware that it is a role, as is Ramana, which makes them not very convincing actors. There's a certain aloofness about these guys that spoils the convincingness of their performance. The average human though, is fully immersed in his/her role, and as such they fully embody that role and therefore are the best actors. They have the most intense experience. You can't have that when you are holding on to the witness position. Again the analogy to computer games. If you play with friends, in the same room, and you are always aware that you are just playing, it's fun, but it is no comparison at all in terms of depth and immediacy of experience when you are playing alone, totally immersed in the game and forget who you are, where you are and how much time you've already spent playing. It's a totally different quality of experience. Someone asked Abe a question once about dogs and why they love to stick their head out of a car window while risking getting bugs in their eyes, and they said, because it's so worth it! Similarly, why risk getting totally lost in your role? Because it's totally worth it! What's the worst thing that could happen anyway? Another thing Abe always say is that if we only knew how much we wanted to be in these bodies, we wouldn't try to get out of them all the time, haha. So this is where I usually disagree with popular spiritual paradigm of life being a school or the purpose of life being SR. SR is a given. And there is only what you are and no end to experience. So what's there left to do? Just live, full immersion, hands in the clay, right here right now. ok, two couterpoints I would like to offer. The first is that the witnessing position - even a false witnessing position - can lead you into flow. It's a relative improvement to being caught up in the NPC maelstrom, and improves your ability to focus. Second is that if you watch a professional sports team at the top of their game, of if you've ever been part of a cohesive team at work, what can happen is that the level of engagement actually gets magnified. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Feb 19, 2024 11:57:05 GMT -5
Task: Lets explore this little exchange between Nisargadatta (M) and a Questioner:
M: All life is conscious, all consciousness -- alive.
Q: Even stones?
M: Even stones are conscious and alive.
ChatGPT: Nisargadatta's statement that "Even stones are conscious and alive" can be interpreted in different ways. Some might see it as a concession to the limited understanding of the seeker, while others may take it more literally, suggesting that everything, including seemingly inert objects, is a manifestation of consciousness. The implication is not that each individual manifestation possesses its own separate consciousness, but rather that all expressions are interconnected manifestations of the same cosmic consciousness.
Expanding on the notion that all expressions are interconnected manifestations of the same cosmic consciousness involves delving deeper into the philosophical underpinnings of non-dualistic thought. In this perspective, the emphasis lies in transcending the conventional understanding of individualized consciousness and recognizing a unified, cosmic source that permeates all existence.
The idea is that the perceived diversity in the world—ranging from sentient beings to seemingly inert matter—is akin to different ripples on the surface of a vast, undivided cosmic pond of consciousness. Rather than each ripple possessing an independent consciousness, the essence of the analogy suggests that all ripples are interconnected expressions arising from the same underlying, boundless source.
This interconnectedness implies a profound unity in which the distinctions between self and other, animate and inanimate, dissolve. The cosmic consciousness is posited as the common thread that unites all manifestations, transcending the limitations of individualized identity. In this expansive understanding, the notion of a separate, isolated consciousness for each entity is considered an illusory construct, obscuring the deeper truth of an indivisible and interwoven cosmic fabric.
You said: "In this expansive understanding, the notion of a separate, isolated consciousness for each entity is considered an illusory construct, obscuring the deeper truth of an indivisible and interwoven cosmic fabric." What does this say about the very atoms that form the 10,000 things? Are atoms infused with the essence of the one living Cosmic Consciousness?
ChatGPT: In this philosophical framework, the perspective often posits that the essence of the one living Cosmic Consciousness is immanent in all aspects of creation, including the atomic and subatomic levels. The idea is that the apparent diversity of the material world, including atoms and subatomic particles, is not devoid of the underlying presence of the cosmic consciousness.
From this standpoint, atoms are seen as integral components within the grand tapestry of existence, infused with the essence of the universal consciousness. While atoms may not be considered alive in the conventional sense of the term, they are viewed as expressions or manifestations of the same cosmic life force that animates all of creation.
This perspective challenges the conventional, reductionist understanding of matter as inert and lifeless. Instead, it suggests that even at the most fundamental levels of material existence, there is an underlying vitality, a dynamic interplay of forces, and an inherent connection to the universal consciousness.
In essence, the idea is that the entire cosmos, from the smallest particles to the grandest galaxies, is a seamless expression of the living Cosmic Consciousness. The recognition of this interconnected and alive nature of all things forms a key tenet in certain spiritual and philosophical traditions, urging individuals to perceive beyond the surface of diversity and recognize the fundamental unity that transcends the apparent multiplicity in the manifested world.
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Post by inavalan on Feb 21, 2024 13:37:30 GMT -5
link- Chinese researchers have developed a new 3D optical data storage architecture that reaches petabit level capacity.
Nature, February 21, 2024
This can store 24 times the data of most advanced hard disk drives, paving way for energy efficient, cost-effective exabit data centers.
Exabit: a unit of information equal to 1000 petabits or 10^18 bits.
A research team in China says it has developed a technology that allows a massive data set – equal to about 5.8 billion indexed web pages – to be stored in a device the size of a desktop computer.
For perspective, if the data was stored using 1-terabyte hard drives, the devices would cover an area about the size of an average playground.
The good, the bad and the ugly.
Basically, this technology will likely revolutionize virtual reality, robotics, AI, human augmentation (transhumanism), self driving vehicles, space travel and data center storage. It will change our world in ways that we can’t imagine or conceive of. This is going to come at us fast folks and the ethical issues are enormous.
This is a typical example of technological progress based on intelligence, that lacks intuition; for many reasons. A less obvious one is that innerly and innately we are all connected, and could access an infinite amount of information, instantly. What we lack, and apparently little effort is made to overcome the lack of, is the mindset to do it. Then surely we are distributed on a bell-curve in regard to intellectual abilities. The knowledge how to overcome this is more or less described by ancient knowledge, like the chapter 3 of the Yoga Sutras, and can be individually accessed innerly, once you brake through conditioning. If this were happening at mass level, not just at isolated individual level, a leap ahead would happen. Breaking through conditioning can be done, and I'm sure it is done in some probable realities. Surely there are probable realities that are much worse than ours, but we should do our best, individually and en masse, to join the frontrunners not the losers.
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Post by laughter on Feb 22, 2024 12:19:43 GMT -5
In my understanding, the physical reality is a consciousness hyperspace: time, 3d-space, alternate realities, populated by identities / avatars (incarnational roles). When launching a new incarnation, the entity chooses an entry point (the coordinates mentioned above) that is probable to offer the best opportunities to meet the entity's goals for that incarnation. Then, the incarnated personality has free will, and supervision, in every state and stage it experiences. This means that when Ruburt decided to incarnate as Jane Roberts, he had laid out a probable path that checked several goals, including to channel Seth. We don't know how well Jane's life met Ruburt's objectives, if it required rework or change of plans. An incarnational role is an identity / avatar that probabilistically follows a set of possible paths through the hyperspace, and that can be and is selected and experienced by an endless number of entities, each in its own way. Seth mentioned that he experienced being Ruburt / Jane too, obviously in a different way. EDIT: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/506357Okay, I can agree with that. So RM had not cancer because he was naughty in a previous life but because he made stupid decisions in this life. much?  |
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Post by DonHelado on Feb 22, 2024 13:40:29 GMT -5
link- Chinese researchers have developed a new 3D optical data storage architecture that reaches petabit level capacity.
Nature, February 21, 2024
This can store 24 times the data of most advanced hard disk drives, paving way for energy efficient, cost-effective exabit data centers.
Exabit: a unit of information equal to 1000 petabits or 10^18 bits.
A research team in China says it has developed a technology that allows a massive data set – equal to about 5.8 billion indexed web pages – to be stored in a device the size of a desktop computer.
For perspective, if the data was stored using 1-terabyte hard drives, the devices would cover an area about the size of an average playground.
The good, the bad and the ugly.
Basically, this technology will likely revolutionize virtual reality, robotics, AI, human augmentation (transhumanism), self driving vehicles, space travel and data center storage. It will change our world in ways that we can’t imagine or conceive of. This is going to come at us fast folks and the ethical issues are enormous.
This is a typical example of technological progress based on intelligence, that lacks intuition; for many reasons. A less obvious one is that innerly and innately we are all connected, and could access an infinite amount of information, instantly. What we lack, and apparently little effort is made to overcome the lack of, is the mindset to do it. Then surely we are distributed on a bell-curve in regard to intellectual abilities. The knowledge how to overcome this is more or less described by ancient knowledge, like the chapter 3 of the Yoga Sutras, and can be individually accessed innerly, once you brake through conditioning. If this were happening at mass level, not just at isolated individual level, a leap ahead would happen. Breaking through conditioning can be done, and I'm sure it is done in some probable realities. Surely there are probable realities that are much worse than ours, but we should do our best, individually and en masse, to join the frontrunners not the losers. I read a book a while back by Peter Thiel. It was about businesses, startups. He said: if you know something other people don't know, you can build on that – it's an advantage. So if you have a way to draw upon terabytes of information without the help from silicon transistors, you can use it. Eventually people notice you're kicking ass, and they want to copy you, the secret would get out. |
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There is no explaining the relationship of the individual to what moves as One. For practical purposes, people accept one explanation or another, but your curiosity can serve you well in looking past those.
