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Post by etolle on Jan 5, 2018 20:15:32 GMT -5
been listening to a 4 hr tape of his and its opened these eyes..feels like who I thought I was died and what is left is who I always was. whatever that means. what caused me to realize this boils down to "images in my head" pre conceived notions,etc...have lived 65 years like that and always knew somethin was bad wrong with me no matter what I tried. I have read most everything that zendancer and enigma have wrote over last few weeks and found krishnamurti in the teacher section. so much that I want to say but don't know how to say it right now..feel like I have got religion but have never been religious or believed in all of that..thanks
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Post by explorer on Jan 6, 2018 7:03:47 GMT -5
Krishnamurti certainly helped many people to look within and not to take on teachings and teachers uncritically. Ironically, he had plenty of followers too! For me, Adyashanti is a modern Krishnamurti and well worth reading and listening to but not "following." One of my favourite quotations of his is that "Enlightenment is a demolition project." It sounds like your demolition project has begun Etolle. Congratulations!
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Post by zendancer on Jan 6, 2018 10:39:01 GMT -5
Krishnamurti certainly helped many people to look within and not to take on teachings and teachers uncritically. Ironically, he had plenty of followers too! For me, Adyashanti is a modern Krishnamurti and well worth reading and listening to but not "following." One of my favourite quotations of his is that "Enlightenment is a demolition project." It sounds like your demolition project has begun Etolle. Congratulations! Yes, the key is "listening to but not following," and this applies to all sages and spiritual masters throughout history. The only "guru" worth following is the one within oneself (sometimes called "the satguru"). ATST, it's great fun to hear how the truth is expressed through different sages because all of them have a unique way of discussing, explaining, and illuminating existential issues.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2018 11:04:27 GMT -5
been listening to a 4 hr tape of his and its opened these eyes..feels like who I thought I was died and what is left is who I always was. whatever that means. what caused me to realize this boils down to "images in my head" pre conceived notions,etc...have lived 65 years like that and always knew somethin was bad wrong with me no matter what I tried. I have read most everything that zendancer and enigma have wrote over last few weeks and found krishnamurti in the teacher section. so much that I want to say but don't know how to say it right now..feel like I have got religion but have never been religious or believed in all of that..thanks “My barn burned down, now I can see the moon” ~ Haiku by Masahide Once we start noticing how all the structure of "who we are" pivots on one major absurd assumption, things can begin to implode rather quickly. There's generally a slip into free fall. Thought of impending disaster might give rise to existential fear in that drama, but that's just conditioned existence within "what you are". Keep looking. You're looking for what's looking, but often in the wrong direction. Watch out, you might get what you're after Cool babies, strange but not a stranger I'm an ordinary guy Burning down the house Hold tight Wait 'til the party's over Hold tight We're in for nasty weather There has got to be a way Burning down the house Here's your ticket pack your bags Time for jumpin' overboard The transportation is here Close enough but not too far, Maybe you know where you are Fightin' fire with fire All wet, hey, you might need a raincoat Shakedown, dreams walking in broad daylight Three hundred sixty-five degrees Burning down the house It was once upon a place, Sometimes I listen to myself Gonna come in first place People on their way to work, Baby, what did you expect? Gonna burst into flame Burning down the house My house's out of the ordinary That's right Don't want to hurt nobody Some things sure can sweep me off my feet Burning down the house No visible means of support And you ain't not seen (some)NOTHIN' yet Everything's stuck together And I don't know what you expect Staring into the TV set Fighting fire with fire
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jan 6, 2018 11:15:42 GMT -5
Krishnamurti certainly helped many people to look within and not to take on teachings and teachers uncritically. Ironically, he had plenty of followers too! For me, Adyashanti is a modern Krishnamurti and well worth reading and listening to but not "following." One of my favourite quotations of his is that "Enlightenment is a demolition project." It sounds like your demolition project has begun Etolle. Congratulations! Yes, the key is "listening to but not following," and this applies to all sages and spiritual masters throughout history. The only "guru" worth following is the one within oneself (sometimes called "the satguru"). ATST, it's great fun to hear how the truth is expressed through different sages because all of them have a unique way of discussing, explaining, and illuminating existential issues. Yeah, generally pointers may be meant to contemplate to some extent, but the "perfect problems" generally arise because of the stickiness of conditioned conceptual thinking pulling one further into the created drama. So interesting, really. What can be said that might arrest the thinking just that once, allowing "seeing"/"realizing" all such thinking, mind, movement, etc. is created within what one actually is? (rhetorical device) “Here it is--right now. Start thinking about it and you miss it.” ― Huang Po
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 6, 2018 14:54:06 GMT -5
been listening to a 4 hr tape of his and its opened these eyes..feels like who I thought I was died and what is left is who I always was. whatever that means. what caused me to realize this boils down to "images in my head" pre conceived notions,etc...have lived 65 years like that and always knew somethin was bad wrong with me no matter what I tried. I have read most everything that zendancer and enigma have wrote over last few weeks and found krishnamurti in the teacher section. so much that I want to say but don't know how to say it right now..feel like I have got religion but have never been religious or believed in all of that..thanks About 1971 I discovered J Krishnamurti. I had studied many things previously, but from then and for about five years Krishnamurti was IT for me. I read everything available and then started ordering books, I ended up with over 30 Krishnamurti books (essentially saying the same thing in many ways. Always central, attention). Skipping part of the story, in April/May 1980 I went to Ojai, Calif and for 3 weeks+ heard Krishnamurti and watched numerous videos (he didn't speak every day). He has ~unlocked~ something for you. I ~hope~ it's permanent, but self is usually not so easy to be ~over~. But Krishnamurti didn't do-IT, ~you~ did it, not-you did it (listening to/watching him).
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Post by etolle on Dec 12, 2018 21:07:23 GMT -5
thanks to everyone who replied. its now obvious that what I took as myself was an illusion,all made up by the mind..all my life I got the sense of who I was from stuff in my head and I always felt there was something wrong. being raised a fundamental Baptist,and not believing that stuff ( man walking on water,etc) I was taught that there was something very wrong with me.L O L...BUT HERE IS THE KICKER. DEEP DOWN I BELIEVED IT....
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Post by zendancer on Dec 13, 2018 9:32:14 GMT -5
thanks to everyone who replied. its now obvious that what I took as myself was an illusion,all made up by the mind..all my life I got the sense of who I was from stuff in my head and I always felt there was something wrong. being raised a fundamental Baptist,and not believing that stuff ( man walking on water,etc) I was taught that there was something very wrong with me.L O L...BUT HERE IS THE KICKER. DEEP DOWN I BELIEVED IT.... You're not alone. I. too, was raised fundamentalist Baptist. That's some strong conditioning to break free from, but fortunately it's only a head trip.
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Post by lolly on Dec 14, 2018 3:08:49 GMT -5
True. Ol' 'mutri is da bomb!
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