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Post by zendancer on Nov 17, 2017 14:27:41 GMT -5
The reality is NOT that there is an I, or a me, or a you trapped inside a body. That's the fundamental illusion that every sage penetrates and becomes free of. We only think that we're trapped inside a body as long as the illusion remains in place. If we penetrate the illusion, we discover THAT which is not born and does not die and in which all bodies appear and disappear. Ramana encouraged people to do self inquiry--to search for the self that they imagine themselves to be. He encouraged this inquiry because he knew that if one searches for it, it will never be found. Why? Because it doesn't exist. What will be found, rather than a personal entity inside a body, is vast and unimaginable. May all beings find THAT. Listened to a fascinating conversation this morning between two neuroscientist/philosophers, both long time meditators (one dzochen the other vipassana), both having seen through the illusion of selfhood. Amazing discussion! Max: I don't know how to link videos on the internet to a post. Please go to youtube and enter "adyashanti when you can't find yourself" and see if you can post that here. I think many people would enjoy hearing his account of searching for the personal "me." |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 17, 2017 17:19:31 GMT -5
You can not dissociate yourself from your body unless. of course. you commit hara kiri. I find it interesting the life of Yogananda Paramahansa. He was into Kriya yoga. He can at anytime go into samadhi. He can escape from his body and go to places he wants to go in his spiritual body. This is what bi-location means. You can be in this place and yet you can be seen in another place. What happened to Yoganandaji was prior to his giving a speech to an audience, he suffered a heart attack. Nobody knew if it was deliberate or not. He could have cause his heart to stop beating. Finally, releasing his self from the body and gone to that place he always dreamed of. Christ Jesus also did that. He feigned being a savior. When all the time he wanted to be killed. It was a promise from his Father. That if he is killed, the Son escapes from his body. Through resurrection. What I am trying to drive at is that the only way to become liberated is to experience death. Freedom of self means death to this body. One can not achieve that if one don`t experience death. This so-called CC experience/samadhi is when you see yourself out of the body. And what do you see and experience when out of the body? Brilliance and light, eternal joy. What I'm pointing to has nothing to do with either samadhi or a CC experience; it is the direct realization that selfhood (the "me") is a colossal illusion, and the discovery of what remains when that illusion collapses. This has nothing to do with disassociating from the body; it is realizing the infinite isness that the body appears within. So, what remains when the illusion collapses? And what is this infinite ishness that the body appears within? You must be talking of atoms and molecules when organize form bodies. These bodies are cells when grouped form tissues. When placed together form organs like the liver, kidneys, brain. You must be referring to the red blood cells, the white blood cells circulating the body carrying oxygen, destroying bacteria within. Yes, you are correct. Within the body is a universe. And people just can not comprehend how vast they are within. How tiny they are from without. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 17, 2017 17:37:35 GMT -5
Max: I don't know how to link videos on the internet to a post. Please go to youtube and enter "adyashanti, how can you find yourself?" and see if you can post that here. I think many people would enjoy hearing his account of searching for the personal "me." ZD, when you are at the video on YouTube, go up top to the address bar and copy the address. Now, back at the forum reply text box, where I am typing this response to you, notice the little icon that looks like a director's take board in the row of icons above the text box. It looks something like this...  ...click that icon and then paste the YouTube address you copied into the "Video URL" field that pops up, Finally click the insert video button, and wa-lah! If done correctly, the video should appear in your post. You can check your preview and click on the video to see that it works before submitting your post. It's actually pretty easy...once you know how :-) |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 17, 2017 18:03:08 GMT -5
What I'm pointing to has nothing to do with either samadhi or a CC experience; it is the direct realization that selfhood (the "me") is a colossal illusion, and the discovery of what remains when that illusion collapses. This has nothing to do with disassociating from the body; it is realizing the infinite isness that the body appears within. So, what remains when the illusion collapses? And what is this infinite ishness that the body appears within? You must be talking of atoms and molecules when organize form bodies. These bodies are cells when grouped form tissues. When placed together form organs like the liver, kidneys, brain. You must be referring to the red blood cells, the white blood cells circulating the body carrying oxygen, destroying bacteria within. Yes, you are correct. Within the body is a universe. And people just can not comprehend how vast they are within. How tiny they are from without. No, that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about or pointing to. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 17, 2017 18:03:57 GMT -5
Max: I don't know how to link videos on the internet to a post. Please go to youtube and enter "adyashanti, how can you find yourself?" and see if you can post that here. I think many people would enjoy hearing his account of searching for the personal "me." ZD, when you are at the video on YouTube, go up top to the address bar and copy the address. Now, back at the forum reply text box, where I am typing this response to you, notice the little icon that looks like a director's take board in the row of icons above the text box. It looks something like this... ...click that icon and then paste the YouTube address you copied into the "Video URL" field that pops up, Finally click the insert video button, and wa-lah! If done correctly, the video should appear in your post. You can check your preview and click on the video to see that it works before submitting your post. It's actually pretty easy...once you know how :-) Thanks. I'll try to do that, but I can't do it on this computer because the PC keyboard doesn't transmit the copy and paste function to the Apple computer it's connected to. I'll try it on a different computer as soon as the mouse recharges. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 17, 2017 18:20:50 GMT -5
ZD, when you are at the video on YouTube, go up top to the address bar and copy the address. Now, back at the forum reply text box, where I am typing this response to you, notice the little icon that looks like a director's take board in the row of icons above the text box. It looks something like this... ...click that icon and then paste the YouTube address you copied into the "Video URL" field that pops up, Finally click the insert video button, and wa-lah! If done correctly, the video should appear in your post. You can check your preview and click on the video to see that it works before submitting your post. It's actually pretty easy...once you know how :-) Thanks. I'll try to do that, but I can't do it on this computer because the PC keyboard doesn't transmit the copy and paste function to the Apple computer it's connected to. I'll try it on a different computer as soon as the mouse recharges. Hope it works for you ZD. BTW, I found a book at the town dump today. It's called "Mystics, Masters, Saints and Sages". Of all things to find at the dump :-) I just finished reading the chapter on Yogananda's description of his CC "experience". It's clear these things can't be faked or mistaken. Are you familiar with this book? |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 17, 2017 18:28:29 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll try to do that, but I can't do it on this computer because the PC keyboard doesn't transmit the copy and paste function to the Apple computer it's connected to. I'll try it on a different computer as soon as the mouse recharges. Hope it works for you ZD. BTW, I found a book at the town dump today. It's called "Mystics, Masters, Saints and Sages". Of all things to find at the dump :-) I just finished reading the chapter on Yogananda's description of his CC "experience". It's clear these things can't be faked or mistaken. Are you familiar with this book? Yes. I read it years ago. Picked it up in a used book store. Ironic for you to have found it at the town dump! God has a great sense of humor. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Nov 17, 2017 18:41:22 GMT -5
Hope it works for you ZD. BTW, I found a book at the town dump today. It's called "Mystics, Masters, Saints and Sages". Of all things to find at the dump :-) I just finished reading the chapter on Yogananda's description of his CC "experience". It's clear these things can't be faked or mistaken. Are you familiar with this book? Yes. I read it years ago. Picked it up in a used book store. Ironic for you to have found it at the town dump! God has a great sense of humor. Indeed. :-) |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 18, 2017 1:07:30 GMT -5
Max: I don't know how to link videos on the internet to a post. Please go to youtube and enter "adyashanti, how can you find yourself?" and see if you can post that here. I think many people would enjoy hearing his account of searching for the personal "me." ZD, when you are at the video on YouTube, go up top to the address bar and copy the address. Now, back at the forum reply text box, where I am typing this response to you, notice the little icon that looks like a director's take board in the row of icons above the text box. It looks something like this... ...click that icon and then paste the YouTube address you copied into the "Video URL" field that pops up, Finally click the insert video button, and wa-lah! If done correctly, the video should appear in your post. You can check your preview and click on the video to see that it works before submitting your post. It's actually pretty easy...once you know how :-) Got it. Thanks. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 18, 2017 7:09:03 GMT -5
ZD, when you are at the video on YouTube, go up top to the address bar and copy the address. Now, back at the forum reply text box, where I am typing this response to you, notice the little icon that looks like a director's take board in the row of icons above the text box. It looks something like this... ...click that icon and then paste the YouTube address you copied into the "Video URL" field that pops up, Finally click the insert video button, and wa-lah! If done correctly, the video should appear in your post. You can check your preview and click on the video to see that it works before submitting your post. It's actually pretty easy...once you know how :-) Got it. Thanks. To find yourself, you don`t look far. " It is from the heart one can see, what is essential is invisible to the eye" From the book, Little Prince by St Antoine Exupery. And what is this essential thing we are searching for in life? It`s LOVE! Love is You. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 18, 2017 9:47:36 GMT -5
To find yourself, you don`t look far. " It is from the heart one can see, what is essential is invisible to the eye" From the book, Little Prince by St Antoine Exupery. And what is this essential thing we are searching for in life? It`s LOVE! Love is You. Some people search for love, and some people search for what is searching. The Adya video deals with people in the second category. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 18, 2017 10:24:50 GMT -5
To find yourself, you don`t look far. " It is from the heart one can see, what is essential is invisible to the eye" From the book, Little Prince by St Antoine Exupery. And what is this essential thing we are searching for in life? It`s LOVE! Love is You. Some people search for love, and some people search for what is searching. The Adya video deals with people in the second category. You wont be born in this world if not for love. Without love, there is no joy in living. That is what Adyashanti tell his audience. That without love life can be so boring. The falling out of love is hate. People go into something and become obsessed with it simply because of love. People excel in sports, entertainment, in music because for the love of them. God is love. Christ Jesus told his disciples the greatest commandment is to love oneself and thy neighbor. St Paul in his letter to the Corinthians said, " Of faith and charity, the greatest is love. " Yes, people search for love because of loneliness. They just do not know how to love which is already in their hearts. Sexuality is not love. Love is compassion for all living entities. Ramana and the rest of the gang goes teaching their disciples about consciousness, the self, self-realization, CC experiences to make them attentive and wanting to learn more. Why did they not instead teach others how to love? Imagine if all were in love with one another. There be no more wars and killing. Zero criminality rates. When Christ Jesus said, " Come and follow me. " He was telling them what love is. While people search for what is searching end with nothing. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 18, 2017 10:37:40 GMT -5
Some people search for love, and some people search for what is searching. The Adya video deals with people in the second category. You wont be born in this world if not for love. Without love, there is no joy in living. That is what Adyashanti tell his audience. That without love life can be so boring. The falling out of love is hate. People go into something and become obsessed with it simply because of love. People excel in sports, entertainment, in music because for the love of them. God is love. Christ Jesus told his disciples the greatest commandment is to love oneself and thy neighbor. St Paul in his letter to the Corinthians said, " Of faith and charity, the greatest is love. " Yes, people search for love because of loneliness. They just do not know how to love which is already in their hearts. Sexuality is not love. Love is compassion for all living entities. Ramana and the rest of the gang goes teaching their disciples about consciousness, the self, self-realization, CC experiences to make them attentive and wanting to learn more. What can`t the gurus and sages teach others how to love? Imagine if all were in love with one another. There be no more wars and killing. Zero criminality rates. When Christ Jesus said, " Come and follow me. " He was telling them what really love is. While people search for what is searching end with nothing. Ironically, the last line, above, is correct, but not in the way that's imagined. Adya searched for the searcher and found nothing (No Thing). The NoThing that he found includes everything (Every Thing). What he found can't be imagined. He discovered that he was NOT what he had thought he was. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Nov 18, 2017 10:43:20 GMT -5
You wont be born in this world if not for love. Without love, there is no joy in living. That is what Adyashanti tell his audience. That without love life can be so boring. The falling out of love is hate. People go into something and become obsessed with it simply because of love. People excel in sports, entertainment, in music because for the love of them. God is love. Christ Jesus told his disciples the greatest commandment is to love oneself and thy neighbor. St Paul in his letter to the Corinthians said, " Of faith and charity, the greatest is love. " Yes, people search for love because of loneliness. They just do not know how to love which is already in their hearts. Sexuality is not love. Love is compassion for all living entities. Ramana and the rest of the gang goes teaching their disciples about consciousness, the self, self-realization, CC experiences to make them attentive and wanting to learn more. What can`t the gurus and sages teach others how to love? Imagine if all were in love with one another. There be no more wars and killing. Zero criminality rates. When Christ Jesus said, " Come and follow me. " He was telling them what really love is. While people search for what is searching end with nothing. Ironically, the last line, above, is correct, but not in the way that's imagined. Adya searched for the searcher and found nothing (No Thing). The NoThing that he found includes everything (Every Thing). What he found can't be imagined. He discovered that he was NOT what he had thought he was. The No Thing he was referring to was love. He described it as vast and unimaginable. I listened to that in his other video The Internal Flame. |
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Post by zendancer on Nov 18, 2017 11:11:05 GMT -5
Ironically, the last line, above, is correct, but not in the way that's imagined. Adya searched for the searcher and found nothing (No Thing). The NoThing that he found includes everything (Every Thing). What he found can't be imagined. He discovered that he was NOT what he had thought he was. The No Thing he was referring to was love. He described it as vast and unimaginable. I listened to that in his other video The Internal Flame. Sorry. That's not what he's pointing to. I know Adya personally (first met him 10 years ago), and two of my friends studied under him for several years. They both discovered what he discovered, and both are now ND teachers. |
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