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Post by enigma on Oct 4, 2017 18:22:39 GMT -5
That's why he needs a little help now and then. We could put together some bullet points (no pun intended) and discuss them with Him. Maybe we can get him back on track. I hear it takes some serious effort to get on the list of consulting vendors. You have to demonstrate reach in terms of followers before you can get an appointment to make a pitch. He shouldn't be so picky. Running the world with a little more compassion is pretty much a no-brainer that any dufus can figure out.
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Post by krsnaraja on Oct 4, 2017 18:23:54 GMT -5
I qustioned God why He caused countless to starve and die of pestilence. I questioned God why He let nature to cause havoc on earth with super cyclones and earthquakes. I questioned God why He gave us cancer. God said it was a way to reduce the world's growing population. He said the world's too over crowded. God said those who will be killed earlier than the others will have their turn to live longer in their next lives. Those who will live longer in this present life will get to live shorter in the next. The first will be the last and the last will be the first says the Bible. Are you 100% serious about this? I promise no judgments either way from me on this. I'm really just curious as to whether there's any element of kidding around in what you wrote. These statements either come from mind or God. I thought I was just kidding.
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Post by enigma on Oct 4, 2017 18:25:27 GMT -5
The idea that you aren't in control, and therefore nothing you do matters, sounds like Andy's flawful logic. It's not really so that you are a tiny cog in a cosmic mechanism. You are the cosmos, and you don't get to play the game of being a separate person. Trying to play that game is what makes you suffer. Killjoy frog! Maybe that's the whole issue with nonduality: you don't get to be separate.
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Post by enigma on Oct 4, 2017 18:27:51 GMT -5
Are you 100% serious about this? I promise no judgments either way from me on this. I'm really just curious as to whether there's any element of kidding around in what you wrote. These statements either come from mind or God. I thought I was just kidding. What do you think now?
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Post by krsnaraja on Oct 4, 2017 18:28:58 GMT -5
I qustioned God why He caused countless to starve and die of pestilence. I questioned God why He let nature to cause havoc on earth with super cyclones and earthquakes. I questioned God why He gave us cancer. God said it was a way to reduce the world's growing population. He said the world's too over crowded. God said those who will be killed earlier than the others will have their turn to live longer in their next lives. Those who will live longer in this present life will get to live shorter in the next. The first will be the last and the last will be the first says the Bible. God said that?? Tell God I have a better plan. Don't cause as many pregnancies to occur and you won't have to cause all that suffering and bloodshed. Tell Him to just put down his riffle for a minute and think about it, okay? God invented the pill but the Catholic Church won't allow it.
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2017 18:29:03 GMT -5
Are you 100% serious about this? I promise no judgments either way from me on this. I'm really just curious as to whether there's any element of kidding around in what you wrote. These statements either come from mind or God. I thought I was just kidding. In that case.
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2017 18:32:49 GMT -5
Killjoy frog! Maybe that's the whole issue with nonduality: you don't get to be separate. Oh, that's definitely the issue with the constant denial, objections and theories of the people peeps.
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Post by enigma on Oct 4, 2017 18:32:51 GMT -5
God said that?? Tell God I have a better plan. Don't cause as many pregnancies to occur and you won't have to cause all that suffering and bloodshed. Tell Him to just put down his riffle for a minute and think about it, okay? God invented the pill but the Catholic Church won't allow it. The Pope is infallible, and therefore it is God who won't allow it. If that sounds like nonsense, there might be a clue there.
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2017 18:34:50 GMT -5
I hear it takes some serious effort to get on the list of consulting vendors. You have to demonstrate reach in terms of followers before you can get an appointment to make a pitch. He shouldn't be so picky. Running the world with a little more compassion is pretty much a no-brainer that any dufus can figure out.
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2017 18:35:31 GMT -5
God invented the pill but the Catholic Church won't allow it. The Pope is infallible, and therefore it is God who won't allow it. If that sounds like nonsense, there might be a clue there. "heh heh i like paradox heh heh"
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Post by krsnaraja on Oct 4, 2017 19:47:43 GMT -5
God invented the pill but the Catholic Church won't allow it. The Pope is infallible, and therefore it is God who won't allow it. If that sounds like nonsense, there might be a clue there. Ah okay...there are two Hindu Gods. One is Balarama. He is the elder brother of Krsna. Balarama according to Ananda Goswami and me, " .. is Christ Jesus, the original supreme spiritual master. He is the incarnation of Shesha, the snake whom Vishnu finds rest. He is the 🐍 whom Moses lifted in the desert. So that those who will follow Him shall have eternal life. " Balarama Christ Jesus founded the Catholic Universal Church because of Love. When He said, " Love one another as I have loved you. " There is the other Hindu God. His name is Krsna. He is the Adi Purusa or 1st Person. Balarama is Krsna's direct expansion. In short, it can be told Krsna is the Father and Balarama, the Son. The Paramatma Holy Spirit is the localize expansion of the Father/Son present in the heart of all living entities. It is directing indirectly/directly the wanderings of the living entities. Krsna who does not want the world to populate caused the invention of the pill. But the Pope who represents Christ Balarama allow humans to love one another and multiply. Krsna in His form of Maya Durga diminished the world's population through calamities, war and pestilence. Krsna is black while Balarama Jesus is white. The Darkness and Light.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 0:46:43 GMT -5
Mostly, what you talk about has always seemed like a different, more complex way of talking about nonduality, while constantly declaring that nonduality is inadequate. That's why I tend not to engage your different language but rather to question why you seek to distance yourself from what most of us talk about. Your mantra is 'I'm not a nondualist', as though anyone here has even claimed such an affiliation. I'm just presenting my view. When you come to Spiritual Teachers Discussions/Forums, right at the top it says: "...is not limited to those interested in spiritual teachers reviewed..." It just seems the majority of the posters here seem to think once one gets the nondual thingy, that makes duality irrelevant, that nothing you can then say about duality, matters. I'm just saying, here...we...are, I want to know what matters in the land of here, we, are. I just share that, in case anybody else is interested. I'm just saying, yes, something does happen next. If there is no next (for "you"), then I can't put a burr under "your" saddle. Isn't wanting to put a burr under your brother's saddle a little childish to say the least? We have another newsflash just coming in.. :: Grown men are permitted to hug each other now. Fathers are permitted to love their children and grandfathers no longer have to secretly worship the ground that their grandchildren walk on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 1:16:27 GMT -5
I'm sure somebody has done a study on religious devotion and brain activity. Jesus Christ perhaps already conducted EEGs on his disciples. It says from a prayer Apostle's Creed, " ... He is seated at the right hand of the Father and will come to judge the living and the dead. " The answer is in the right brain hemisphere ( devotional worship ). Non-dualism is in the left. Cool, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah I agree that non-duality is in the left hemisphere. The right hemisphere is where, neurologists agree, identity is formed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 2:30:39 GMT -5
The bold is in direct contradiction to the underlined, and vice versa. If the person is conditioned, and is nothing but their conditioning, they can only act from their conditioning, which negates what peeps say and do, mattering. Peeps would have zero control over what they say and do (the veritable foundation of nonvolition). So saying it matters, is "pouring from the empty into the void". It's the ultimate catch-22. You can't have it both ways, nonvolition, and saying it matters what we do (as if we had any control over what we do). nonvolition must necessarily say that the self (imaginary or otherwise) is but a tiny cog in a huge (Cosmic) mechanism, and cannot do anything except be-do what it is programmed to do. The idea that you aren't in control, and therefore nothing you do matters, sounds like Andy's flawful logic. It's not really so that you are a tiny cog in a cosmic mechanism. You are the cosmos, and you don't get to play the game of being a separate person. Trying to play that game is what makes you suffer. I have a perfectly good and harmonious home right where I am, why would I try and leave it?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 5, 2017 3:31:00 GMT -5
I can't follow what you are trying to say here. Let me put it a different way. self 1 is our ordinary self, otherwise known as ego (described earlier as the fictitious self). When we are in self 1 "mode", we merely are what we are. This is like an iceberg, that is, the part above the water, we only know the part above the water, we function as-if there is no subconscious (nothing below water level). self 1 doesn't know self 2. self 2 is what-can-see...self 1. self 2 knows it is, and knows self 1 is. But self 2 cannot control self 1, it can only see self 1. when self 2 is present, self 1 can be present, or not. self 2 is ~below water level~. self 2 is real, (more real). self 1 is what responds to the world, is the ~knee-jerk reflex~. If self 2 is present, ~it~ can be a cushion, that is, absorb some of the shock of exterior events. But what usually happens for a long time, when life "sucks", it temporarily obliterates self 2 leaving only self 1. Eventually, after hours, days, weeks or even months, self 2 might show back up, and basically "say": wt____? (I don't know what you mean concerning the 3' up chin...)... What you're calling self 2 is just about being present. If you really and truly don't feel present, like here, in your skin, reading words on a screen, without trying to run anywhere, just noticing your breathing, in.. in.. the sounds rippling through.. in.. in... here, tasting lips, breathing out, chest lifting.. not running anywhere.. laughing at the muscle spasm in the skull.. oh.. Where did she say to go.. oh yeah.. in.. in.. here.. in Yes (more or less). Are you saying you are present, all the time?
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