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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:41:16 GMT -5
I recently read "Refuting The External World" and remain unconvinced that it is a valid proof that a separate world does not exist. I have not really seen a valid proof of this. I have seen arguments that provide a an alternative theory for our experience. For example I think the argument that it's possible this is an illusion cannot be refuted. But it does not prove that it isn't an illusion. I recently heard an argument that says that if we change the underlying assumption, we can prove that we are not separate and that the world is not separate, but this seems flawed. If you change the underlying assumption you can prove that frogs talk. I'm open to the notion. Not that frogs talk, but that we are not separate. But I feel strongly that what it comes down to is a matter of belief. No different than believing in God. I am open to the notion and in fact believe that the world is not separate, but feel uncomfortable saying and defending that statement. I believe that since this debate has raged for thousands of years without a convincing proof, then there is none. I would say that if we change the underlying assumption we can know that there is no separation, but this knowing isn't proof of anything, in fact this knowing is more akin to trust or faith than it is logical proof. I'm not sure it would be to our benefit to be able to prove that oneness is the case, the mystery is better I think. What is the underlying assumption that has to be changed to know that you're living in non-separation? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:48:22 GMT -5
Since I'm in unmoderated speak. I believe I can say this without Saint Peter shutting me down. Gopal is a religious fanatic. You need a sledge hammer to crack that brick.Interesting idea. Lucid dreaming is how I imagine SR feels like. Those who are SR can let me know if that's what it feels like to walk around here knowing, I mean really knowing, you are dreaming. What is this? The day you arrive here you started to talk nonsense about Enigma and now it's me. Let me report this post and let me see what would happen. Reporting this post. Big baby, tattle tale, small, hard head you know even if you are joking real men don't report posts, if they have a issue they settle it outside of moderation, such a pu**y, I bet in school you were always the one running home crying. Mommy asks what wrong honey you say they make fun of me all the time. Mommy says don't let then do that, next time report them to your teacher, hence began the running program called Gopal. |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Feb 7, 2017 16:09:38 GMT -5
What is this? The day you arrive here you started to talk nonsense about Enigma and now it's me. Let me report this post and let me see what would happen. Reporting this post. Big baby, tattle tale, small, hard head you know even if you are joking real men don't report posts, if they have a issue they settle it outside of moderation, such a pu**y, I bet in school you were always the one running home crying. Mommy asks what wrong honey you say they make fun of me all the time. Mommy says don't let then do that, next time report them to your teacher, hence began the running program called Gopal. "Since I'm in unmoderated speak. I believe I can say this without Saint Peter shutting me down. Gopal is a religious fanatic. You need a sledge hammer to crack that brick." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4849/separate-world?page=2#ixzz4Y2I1Ljr6Come at me, Zaz! Right now! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:11:53 GMT -5
Big baby, tattle tale, small, hard head you know even if you are joking real men don't report posts, if they have a issue they settle it outside of moderation, such a pu**y, I bet in school you were always the one running home crying. Mommy asks what wrong honey you say they make fun of me all the time. Mommy says don't let then do that, next time report them to your teacher, hence began the running program called Gopal. "Since I'm in unmoderated speak. I believe I can say this without Saint Peter shutting me down. Gopal is a religious fanatic. You need a sledge hammer to crack that brick." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4849/separate-world?page=2#ixzz4Y2I1Ljr6Come at me, Zaz! Right now!  |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Feb 7, 2017 16:13:31 GMT -5
What? Don't you think that sounds a bit brutal? I thought you're a softy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:14:37 GMT -5
The real underlying assumption is that we are frogs imagining we are humans. The conclusion is that frogs can talk. Just kidding. Not important. I misunderstood. Error. I'm prone to those.
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Feb 7, 2017 16:17:03 GMT -5
The real underlying assumption is that we are frogs imagining we are humans. The conclusion is that frogs can talk. Just kidding. Not important. I misunderstood. Error. I'm prone to those. I have an assumption about who you are in real life, Zaz. You better don't mess with me. Peace, bro....m'kay? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:19:04 GMT -5
What? Don't you think that sounds a bit brutal? I thought you're a softy. Soft on the outside, hard on the inside, that's me |
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Post by alertpeaceeternal on Feb 7, 2017 16:20:44 GMT -5
What? Don't you think that sounds a bit brutal? I thought you're a softy. Soft on the outside, hard on the inside, that's me... ....unfortunately, yes. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 7, 2017 16:22:37 GMT -5
I would say that if we change the underlying assumption we can know that there is no separation, but this knowing isn't proof of anything, in fact this knowing is more akin to trust or faith than it is logical proof. I'm not sure it would be to our benefit to be able to prove that oneness is the case, the mystery is better I think. What is the underlying assumption that has to be changed to know that you're living in non-separation? Okay. Hmmm. Lots of choices. Maybe one to change is... I have a life |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:23:41 GMT -5
What? Don't you think that sounds a bit brutal? I thought you're a softy. Soft on the outside. Hard on the inside. Or is it hard on the outside and soft on the inside? But if you insist, i'll apologize to Gopal. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:28:54 GMT -5
Soft on the outside, hard on the inside, that's me... ....unfortunately, yes. no it's fortunate, I could be hard on both sides like Niz was |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:30:06 GMT -5
What is the underlying assumption that has to be changed to know that you're living in non-separation? Okay. Hmmm. Lots of choices. Maybe one to change is... I have a life good one, most ppl fall for that one |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:38:00 GMT -5
The real underlying assumption is that we are frogs imagining we are humans. The conclusion is that frogs can talk. Just kidding. Not important. I misunderstood. Error. I'm prone to those. I have an assumption about who you are in real life, Zaz. You better don't mess with me. Peace, bro....m'kay? Consider yourself messed with. Bring it on! I promise not report you. Let's see what you got! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:40:16 GMT -5
I have an assumption about who you are in real life, Zaz. You better don't mess with me. Peace, bro....m'kay? Consider yourself messed with. Bring it on! I promise not report you. Let's see what you got! food fight! food fight! |
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