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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 10, 2017 21:01:53 GMT -5
If you knew anything at all about Gurdjieff you would know he did not desire adulation, in fact went out of his way to insure others would not have any kind of false admiration for him. He taught people how to become conscious, and if anyone did not work towards that or did not serve a purpose concerning that, he chased them away, drove them away. Students stayed with him at their own choice and this usually wasn't easy. He created conditions whereby a student was faced to see what they were, some could not stand to see self as is, and then anything could happen, personality/ego/cultural self run amok. But if they could stand to see themselves, they could become something else, if and only if they practiced the inner work. But also at some point for every student, in some manner, at a time right for them, maybe even after years, he asked them to leave, and if they wouldn't, he forced them to leave, he didn't want followers, he taught people to stand on their own, to find their own way. People loved him because of what they gained from his teaching, for Gurdjieff it was all about the teaching, not himself, the teaching that came through him, not from him. You carry on. I would never point any one in the direction of gurdjieff. It's one of the reasons why you have not awakened to your true self. Carry on as you are. I posted here for years before I even mentioned the name Gurdjieff, and only then to point out an error someone had made concerning the teaching. What's important is the teaching, it existed before Gurdjieff and it will continue to exist. Answer the OP, then I will listen to what you have to say. Yes, until then I will carry on. But as said before, anyone here, or most everyone, who recognizes the answer or comes to know it is probably not going to be happy with it, as it relates to your own post, above. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2017 12:14:42 GMT -5
"Work with attention enters into all work on oneself. It is the ground on which a great deal is based. If we cannot tell the difference between voluntary and involuntary attention, we are living in a dream world. The science of attention is hardly known in the contemporary world, and to come to real understanding of this takes a very long time once we have been conditioned by contemporary culture". pg 26 Deeper Man JG Bennett
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 12, 2017 23:50:03 GMT -5
"Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes. 'Identification' is so common a quality that for the purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. 'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention....Namely, his constant 'identification' with what at a given moment has attracted his attention...."... In Search of the Miraculous
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 13, 2017 11:00:19 GMT -5
And, additionally, being-awareness is not the same as self-reflection.
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Post by bluey on Feb 13, 2017 15:51:48 GMT -5
"Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes. 'Identification' is so common a quality that for the purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. 'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention....Namely, his constant 'identification' with what at a given moment has attracted his attention...."... In Search of the Miraculous I'm sure I was very close in what I posted stardust, you're a very demanding teacher. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 13, 2017 16:02:27 GMT -5
"Man is always in a state of identification, only the object of identification changes. 'Identification' is so common a quality that for the purposes of observation it is difficult to separate it from everything else. 'Identifying' is one of our most terrible foes because it penetrates everywhere and deceives a man at the moment when it seems to him he is struggling with it. It is especially difficult to free oneself from identifying because a man naturally becomes more easily identified with the things that interest him most, to which he gives his time, his work, and his attention....Namely, his constant 'identification' with what at a given moment has attracted his attention...."... In Search of the Miraculous I'm sure I was very close in what I posted stardust, you're a very demanding teacher. Yes, but one key word is important, that is, the meaning of the (one key) word (and just emphasized it on the Being conscious thread, with a parable by the Buddha. + more, two "birds", one stone). |
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