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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 21, 2016 9:10:43 GMT -5
Jnana is mental speculation. Bhakti is devotion. Prabhupad was talking about love of Krishna & going back to Krishna. Jnana is not mental speculation. It is direct knowledge. Bhakta is devotion or love of God. It is dualistic to begin with where God is seen as separate but must finally result in knowing God is within in a non dual impersonal sense. That doesn't mean the dualistic path is inferior. The personal aspect doesn't have to disappear either. Most non dual masters have a deep devotional aspect also. The impersonal sense of God is the localized expansion of Krishna, the Paramatma. The latter is present within the hearts of all living entities. From without as the time factor. Bhakti is when you place Krishna in your heart. Jnana is when you place the Paramatma ( God without form ) in your heart. You are like the born-again Christians who do not have a personal form of Christ. Vaishnavas worship Krishna in his arca-saccid-ananda-vigraha form. Just like Catholics.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 9:15:44 GMT -5
Jnana is not mental speculation. It is direct knowledge. Bhakta is devotion or love of God. It is dualistic to begin with where God is seen as separate but must finally result in knowing God is within in a non dual impersonal sense. That doesn't mean the dualistic path is inferior. The personal aspect doesn't have to disappear either. Most non dual masters have a deep devotional aspect also. The impersonal sense of God is the localized expansion of Krishna, the Paramatma. The latter is present within the hearts of all living entities. From without as the time factor. Bhakti is when you place Krishna in your heart. Jnana is when you place the Paramatma ( God without form ) in your heart. You are like the born-again Christians who do not have a personal form of Christ. Vaishnavas worship Krishna in his arca-saccid-ananda-vigraha form. Just like Catholics. There's nothing wrong with dualistic devotion to Krishna in form, but that in itself cannot be liberation. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 21, 2016 9:28:20 GMT -5
The impersonal sense of God is the localized expansion of Krishna, the Paramatma. The latter is present within the hearts of all living entities. From without as the time factor. Bhakti is when you place Krishna in your heart. Jnana is when you place the Paramatma ( God without form ) in your heart. You are like the born-again Christians who do not have a personal form of Christ. Vaishnavas worship Krishna in his arca-saccid-ananda-vigraha form. Just like Catholics. There's nothing wrong with dualistic devotion to Krishna in form, but that in itself cannot be liberation. Liberation is when you are conscious you are not the body, ego. But you can not dissociate the fact you still have to move your bowels and urinate whenever you go to the restroom. You are still conscious of your body even if you feel and think you are only a driver within this body. Even the kriyabans who go into samadhi do not take water or food will still have to return to the physical world and have a haircut. Bhakti is different. It is devotion. By rendering service to Krishna in order to please Krishna the beloved. While Jnanists even if liberated do not aim to please. Only themselves & this is selfishness. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 9:37:51 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with dualistic devotion to Krishna in form, but that in itself cannot be liberation. Liberation is when you are conscious you are not the body, ego. But you can not dissociate the fact you still have to move your bowels and urinate whenever you go to the restroom. You are still conscious of your body even if you feel and think you are only a driver within this body. Even the kriyabans who go into samadhi do not take water or food will still have to return to the physical world and have a haircut. Bhakti is different. It is devotion. By rendering service to Krishna in order to please Krishna the beloved. While Jnanists even if liberated do not aim to please. Only themselves & this is selfishness. By pleasing Krishna you are pleasing yourself. This is self-ishness. There is only Self. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 21, 2016 9:45:28 GMT -5
Liberation is when you are conscious you are not the body, ego. But you can not dissociate the fact you still have to move your bowels and urinate whenever you go to the restroom. You are still conscious of your body even if you feel and think you are only a driver within this body. Even the kriyabans who go into samadhi do not take water or food will still have to return to the physical world and have a haircut. Bhakti is different. It is devotion. By rendering service to Krishna in order to please Krishna the beloved. While Jnanists even if liberated do not aim to please. Only themselves & this is selfishness. By pleasing Krishna you are pleasing yourself. This is self-ishness. There is only Self. Krishna is present in the hearts of everyone including you. So if I offer you a leaf, flower, fruit or rice & you accept them. & I see you smile because you are pleased then I am also pleased. This is bhakti. Is sharing to Krishna & others what I have to please is selfishness? |
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:33:51 GMT -5
Can't stop laughing please stop  Are you NOT wearing underware Gopal? lol |
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:36:05 GMT -5
now ask me what you seek. To vanquish seeking. To no longer aspire to something else. To be without aspirational seeking because it just doesn't arise because whatever is happening is fine as it is. To completely without doubt understand what dies before the body dies. What dies before the body dies is 'dead' because it no longer holds sway or is invested in in any way. To not only be at peace with What Is, but to be What Is itself. To be an instrument of Thy Peace, an unobstructed expression of love and wisdom and appropriate action. color of eyes: hazel ah a hazel eye is a hybrid of earth bound soul and starseed, what question do you need answered? may i also ask if one parent has blue and one has brown eyes. blue might be greeny. |
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:43:28 GMT -5
now ask me what you seek. On Gurdjieff, did he really make all those trips as described, Meetings with remarkable men. Peters, Bennett and ouspensky did they love him as a teacher but not as a man? he tought what he knew, he only knew what his path lead him to believe, all paths are different and things can be learnt from all. we all can love every one as teachers for every one makes mistakes we can learn from. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Dec 22, 2016 2:46:06 GMT -5
To vanquish seeking. To no longer aspire to something else. To be without aspirational seeking because it just doesn't arise because whatever is happening is fine as it is. To completely without doubt understand what dies before the body dies. What dies before the body dies is 'dead' because it no longer holds sway or is invested in in any way. To not only be at peace with What Is, but to be What Is itself. To be an instrument of Thy Peace, an unobstructed expression of love and wisdom and appropriate action. color of eyes: hazel ah a hazel eye is a hybrid of earth bound soul and starseed, what question do you need answered? may i also ask if one parent has blue and one has brown eyes. blue might be greeny.
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:50:20 GMT -5
from the day we are born our eyes are blue, as we are one with the earth, as we grow in the first few months we become who we will be and our soul is chosen by the energy nurtured around us, then the energy gives colour to the eyes based on personality and origins of the soul.
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:52:42 GMT -5
these origins then are feed and fueled by ego, this can be controlled with meditation on the many chakras, 5-7-12 is just the beginning of it all. through conditioning of the mind we become who we choose to be at the times we are ready and our paths become clear.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 2:54:59 GMT -5
By pleasing Krishna you are pleasing yourself. This is self-ishness. There is only Self. Krishna is present in the hearts of everyone including you. So if I offer you a leaf, flower, fruit or rice & you accept them. & I see you smile because you are pleased then I am also pleased. This is bhakti. Is sharing to Krishna & others what I have to please is selfishness? Yes. Everything you do is selfish. It cannot be anything else. You cannot do action on behalf of another self can you? |
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:55:21 GMT -5
my life is full of energy so i at times will not be here to guide. just leave your eyes and a question, i will feel what you need in your questions, fill them with emotional energy deep with in your selves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 2:56:09 GMT -5
To vanquish seeking. To no longer aspire to something else. To be without aspirational seeking because it just doesn't arise because whatever is happening is fine as it is. To completely without doubt understand what dies before the body dies. What dies before the body dies is 'dead' because it no longer holds sway or is invested in in any way. To not only be at peace with What Is, but to be What Is itself. To be an instrument of Thy Peace, an unobstructed expression of love and wisdom and appropriate action. color of eyes: hazel ah a hazel eye is a hybrid of earth bound soul and starseed, what question do you need answered? may i also ask if one parent has blue and one has brown eyes. blue might be greeny. Do you also do lottery numbers? |
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Post by universalenergy on Dec 22, 2016 2:58:38 GMT -5
push the energy from within into the questions you need, by breathing intent into the words as you ask the question, then ground your self and release the energy as you read my answers, you will feel them in you, and know they are what you need.
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