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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 23:13:50 GMT -5
The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life. A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin. In great anger the parent went to the master. “Is that so?” was all he would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed. A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth – the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?” What was Hakuin thinking? Questioning their integrity of what they said when he was first accused of being the father and lastly when they wanted the child back..he was asking them ..are you sure in both cases? |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:16:08 GMT -5
A monk asked Zhao Zhou to teach him.
Zhao Zhou asked, “Have you eaten your meal?”
The monk replied, “Yes, I have.”
“Then go wash your bowl,” said Zhao Zhou.
At that moment, the monk was enlightened.
What is the deepest meaning of this?
What is the truth of it?
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:21:17 GMT -5
The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life. A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin. In great anger the parent went to the master. “Is that so?” was all he would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed. A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth – the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?” What was Hakuin thinking? Questioning their integrity of what they said when he was first accused of being the father and lastly when they wanted the child back..he was asking them ..are you sure in both cases? Do you imagine that Hakuin thinks thoughts about thoughts? The real answer may be imaginable or unimaginable...what season is this, and what needs done, right now?...and how does that question affect your answer? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 23:24:41 GMT -5
Questioning their integrity of what they said when he was first accused of being the father and lastly when they wanted the child back..he was asking them ..are you sure in both cases? Do you imagine that Hakuin thinks thoughts about thoughts? The real answer may be imaginable or unimaginable...what season is this, and what needs done, right now?...and how does that question affect your answer? Is that so?  |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:24:41 GMT -5
Koans can serve two masters, one practical, the other mystical...which one is this?
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:25:48 GMT -5
Do you imagine that Hakuin thinks thoughts about thoughts? The real answer may be imaginable or unimaginable...what season is this, and what needs done, right now?...and how does that question affect your answer? Is that so? very good...and then what? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 23:29:29 GMT -5
Is that so? very good...and then what? then What IS or Is that so |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:39:17 GMT -5
very good...and then what? then What IS or Is that so ahh....you were on the right path to the temple, then you went astray....read the koan again, there is a very beautiful Zen Mind life lesson here...see if you can find it...at first you were too practical, then you hit close to the target, then you went too mystical....come back to the center...Be Hakuin in that moment...whats right here, right now. Perhaps I've said too much, or not enough 😋😋😋 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 23:50:27 GMT -5
then What IS or Is that so ahh....you were on the right path to the temple, then you went astray....read the koan again, there is a very beautiful Zen Mind life lesson here...see if you can find it...at first you were too practical, then you hit close to the target, then you went to mystical....come back to the center...Be Hakuin in that moment...whats right here, right now. Perhaps I've said too much, or not enough 😋😋😋 confused now what is the question? |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:51:53 GMT -5
One day Banzan was walking through a market. He overheard a customer say to the butcher, “Give me the best piece of meat you have.”
“Everything in my shop is the best,” replied the butcher. “You can not find any piece of meat that is not the best.”
At these words, Banzan was enlightened.
Why?
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Post by steven777 on Dec 12, 2016 23:58:51 GMT -5
ahh....you were on the right path to the temple, then you went astray....read the koan again, there is a very beautiful Zen Mind life lesson here...see if you can find it...at first you were too practical, then you hit close to the target, then you went to mystical....come back to the center...Be Hakuin in that moment...whats right here, right now. Perhaps I've said too much, or not enough 😋😋😋 confused now what is the question? lol...honesty is good but you got lost along the way...alertness is useful in these dialogues lol Here ya go: The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life. A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin. In great anger the parent went to the master. “Is that so?” was all he would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed. A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth – the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?” What was Hakuin thinking? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 0:00:04 GMT -5
then What IS or Is that so ahh....you were on the right path to the temple, then you went astray....read the koan again, there is a very beautiful Zen Mind life lesson here...see if you can find it...at first you were too practical, then you hit close to the target, then you went too mystical....come back to the center...Be Hakuin in that moment...whats right here, right now. Perhaps I've said too much, or not enough 😋😋😋 Ok here is what I picked up from this story since I really don't understand the question I will answer it this way when the master says is that so he was showing Equanimity as he did not allow this to interfere with his inner life and he also show acceptance with whatever life throws at you also he did not judge them for what they did to him |
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Post by steven777 on Dec 13, 2016 0:03:04 GMT -5
confused now what is the question? lol...honesty is good but you got lost along the way...alertness is useful in these dialogues lol Here ya go: The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life. A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin. In great anger the parent went to the master. “Is that so?” was all he would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed. A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth – the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?” What was Hakuin thinking? A commentary: In the winter when it snows, we shovel the sidewalk and spread the salt...the sage is not troubled by this before, or after. Yet the path to the car is cleared, and in it there is an astonishing wonder, for the cleared eye'd one. "Is that so?" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 0:18:33 GMT -5
lol...honesty is good but you got lost along the way...alertness is useful in these dialogues lol Here ya go: The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life. A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child. This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin. In great anger the parent went to the master. “Is that so?” was all he would say. After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed. A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth – the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket. The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back. Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: “Is that so?” What was Hakuin thinking? A commentary: In the winter when it snows, we shovel the sidewalk and spread the salt...the sage is not troubled by this before, or after. Yet the path to the car is cleared, and in it there is an astonishing wonder, for the cleared eye'd one. "Is that so?" I was correct did you not read my previous post..Ok here is what I picked up from this story since I really don't understand the question I will answer it this way when the master says is that so he was showing Equanimity as he did not allow this to interfere with his inner life and he also show acceptance with whatever life throws at you also he did not judge them for what they did to him I kinda like mine better your commentary seems more like another koan |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 0:21:21 GMT -5
If You Love, Love Openly
Twenty monks and one nun, who was named Eshun, were practicing meditation with a certain Zen master.
Eshun was very pretty even though her head was shaved and her dress plain. Several monks secretly fell in love with her. One of them wrote her a love letter, insisting upon a private meeting.
Eshun did not reply. The following day the master gave a lecture to the group, and when it was over, Eshun arose. Addressing the one who had written to her, she said: "If you really love me so much, come and embrace me now."
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