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Post by laughter on Apr 7, 2016 13:47:43 GMT -5
Marlowe Sands (a pen name) writes of her 15 year association with Andrew Cohen and the "Community" that grew up around him during that time in "Paradise and Promises", and to my eye the heart and soul of the book is encapsulated at the end: "Andrew Cohen's Community, taken in its entirety, was overwhelmingly destructive to hundreds of people. But to make sense of the controversy surrounding Andrew Cohen we also have to understand the threads of grace and healing that ran simultaneously through his work. ... The weakness of some anti-cult writings is that they categorize all forms of spiritual experience as pathological and/or dissociative. In order to do justice to the complexity of human experience we need a model that distinguishes between those experiences that bring about greater awareness and those that shatter us." Postscript para 11. Her story is one of an intense commitment to rigorous spiritual practice and relates a series of sacrifices for the Community she makes as a part of that. Within and spanning the narrative is a progression of her world view, central to which are several intense point experiences. Two in particular are in the form of spiritual awakenings, one by Cohen's grace, and the other essentially in spite of him. While accounts of experiences of this nature can be categorized and generalized, the subjective nature of them leads necessarily to their relation inevitably taking the form of a poetic voice, and Marlowe's poetry in this regard is quite unique, genuine and profound. While she pulls no punches about the Community, and hints strongly at an overall orientation of regret as to lost opportunity and price paid by her and her family, she conveys a very deep understanding of the underlying existential issues that would draw one to make the sacrifices she describes in the story, and credits that understanding largely to her participation in the Community and goes to lengths to acknowledge Andrew as a factor. It's easy to despise the image of Andrew Cohen, especially when his exploits are read through the looking glass of conventional cultural conditioning. But central to Marlowe's journey and commitment was a hard, in depth subjective examination of her own cultural conditioning, and she presents the reader an opportunity to explore three different perspectives: what it was like for her at the time, the Community from an objective viewpoint, and the upshot and downsides of the journey for her as a person looking backward. Marlowe's training and work experience in the fields of education and psychology offer us a unique opportunity for an examination of the process of exploitation of a committed spiritual seekers interest. While surrender to a guru or spiritual awakening by the grace of a guru are foreign to me, ultimately devotion and insight are roads that lead to the same Rome. While the stories about prostrations, chanting and tithing certainly might sound shocking to us average joe's, I have been to a few Catholic funerals. Kneeling on the back of the pew during catechism as incense filled the air gives me a point of reference for spiritual sacrifice in a cultural context widely accepted as conventional. Some of the more heinous acts described in the book will be familiar to many as the power politics between people that happen in all walks and situations of life. Anyone who's ever had a white collar corporate job can relate and understand this in terms of simple personal self-interest in the context of a social hierarchy. The closest I've ever come to communal living was time served in a college dorm room, but the U.S. military is a widely accepted form of it, and there is a long history of monastic traditions that span world culture. Navy seals would all be quite familiar with the offering in the autumn lake, and celibacy would never be my deal, but I can certainly suspend my judgment of the choice. Where the line comes down with regard to suspending my judgment of the Community is in terms of the mechanisms of control, and the purposes that this control was put to use. This is illustrated most starkly by the disruptions to the marital and other family relationships experienced by some of it's members. The lever of control was spiritual devotion, with Andrew as the proxy for God, and the primary mechanism was a subversion of the process of subjective inquiry. So how does all of this happen? How do educated and otherwise sophisticated people find themselves in a situation such as the Community? The spiritual seekers interest can, of course, take the form of a consuming obsession. This interest can be understood in terms of the first Christian commandment and thereby correlated into secular terms. One way to understand "Thou Shalt Have no God before Me" is to recognize that the default human condition is one that involves a sense of incompleteness that can range from totally unconscious, to a subtle gnawing sense that something isn't quite right, through on to an all-consuming angst and drive to set matters straight. If one doesn't look to God in this endeavor, then they'll fill that void with something else. It might be money and power -- lots of people throw themselves into their jobs, perhaps in sacrifice for their loved ones, perhaps not -- or it might be chasing the pleasure from sex, drugs and rock and roll. It might take the form of devotion to a social cause like global warming, social justice or changing the laws to make life difficult for the evil pedophiles, or it might just take the form of losing yourself in the impersonal love of your friendly smiling neighborhood guru. To understand the Community one must face it's flaws, and in so doing, suspension of judgment might get us to a deeper understanding and exploration, but recognition of those flaws does ultimately require some sort of cultural lens. The one I'll offer here is the culture and vocabulary of the discussion forum on this site. For example, Marlowe's narrative includes a vivid description of an instance of what is termed "split mind" in the vernacular of the forum, one precipitated by being faced with an urgent situational double-bind. As an outsider looking in, the biggest flaw at the core of the Community struck me as what Marlowe writes here: "He claimed to teach love but was a bully. He taught surrender in an atmosphere of fear; vulnerability in the context of intense competition. He claimed to teach impersonality, yet cultivated favorites in an atmosphere of suspicion. Worst of all were his responses to budding spirituality among his students. In the name of rooting out ego, he crushed the spiritual impulse just as we began to trust our deepest selves". 2nd to last para chapter 17. Central to this is something that Cohen obviously missed: what we really are doesn't evolve, and impersonal love, forgiveness, and acceptance certainly do apply -- and ever and always so -- to any and every individual and start with the recognition that every human being is always worthy of them, regardless of circumstance. It is, after all .. well, you know .. impersonal. Another way to state it is that impersonal love is unconditional. The Community, as Marlowe describes it, was an embodiment of a conceptualized negation of this notion. Now that expression does entangle a bit of controversy on the forum about evolution, change, paths, effort and the notion of identity. But I think that one point that even my most determined of debating partners here would agree on, is that the subject of the spiritual search can never be forced. Coercion of any sort has no place in a genuine spiritual story. A controversial refinement of this point would be that while some forms of deep spiritual experience can be induced, even planned for and almost scripted, the end of the search is always by grace, which isn't to say either random or destined. The Community's approach was one of an extreme material effort to obtain what everyone already is, and thereby doomed by premise to begin with. What seems another flaw to me in Andrews five tenants is this idea of the destruction of ego. In the way I think of either ego, or even the false self/person, it is only ever ego that would want to or think that it can succeed in destroying ego. Reading the tenants is rather spooky because of how they subvert ideas that are common with some sources that myself and others have found useful and helpful along the way. Even when they're lost in translation -- such as describing self-honesty and internal practice/inquiry in terms of volition -- the commonality is striking. The way to understand them in the context of the Community though -- and this is really rather horrifying -- is as instruments of control. The Terrible Tenants, as I like to think of them, could be interesting fodder for discussion and analysis, but I'll spare that unless anyone has any specific interest. I'll also hold off on my speculation as to what Marlowe's pen name might express by way of anagram unless and until anyone gets curious.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 7, 2016 18:59:22 GMT -5
Thanks for that laughter. I read Marlowe's post on the marketing section, and browsed her book (on Amazon), read the 5 terrible tenets. The story is Cohen visited Poonja and in a few days Poonja declared him enlightened. So it seems Cohen felt qualified to set up shop and teach. (I just chanced upon this link, a guy who knew Cohen and Poonja, and was also declared enlightened by Poonja. I just browsed it, it seems pretty clear, fairly "objective", not too long. I will probably read it all later). www.lovebringspeace.com/poonja.htmlBut my question is, is there any indication in the book as to how Cohen arrived at the 5 terrible tenets or how he arrived at any of his teaching methods? From a quote by Poonja in the link, Poonja himself seems quite suspect (but that might be obvious from the Cohen mess). I browsed a book of his dialogues years ago (it was a thick mostly white cover book) but didn't buy. (Also, wasn't he Gangaji's "authority" to teach?)
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Post by laughter on Apr 7, 2016 21:43:12 GMT -5
Thanks for that laughter. I read Marlowe's post on the marketing section, and browsed her book (on Amazon), read the 5 terrible tenets. The story is Cohen visited Poonja and in a few days Poonja declared him enlightened. So it seems Cohen felt qualified to set up shop and teach. (I just chanced upon this link, a guy who knew Cohen and Poonja, and was also declared enlightened by Poonja. I just browsed it, it seems pretty clear, fairly "objective", not too long. I will probably read it all later). www.lovebringspeace.com/poonja.htmlBut my question is, is there any indication in the book as to how Cohen arrived at the 5 terrible tenets or how he arrived at any of his teaching methods? From a quote by Poonja in the link, Poonja himself seems quite suspect (but that might be obvious from the Cohen mess). I browsed a book of his dialogues years ago (it was a thick mostly white cover book) but didn't buy. (Also, wasn't he Gangaji's "authority" to teach?) Yeah, come to google it, far as I can tell, guess they are the same, hadn't even looked into that thanks. AC came into his terrible t's over time as he gained experience with his role, and Marlowe was there from the beginning and relates the t's specifically to developments in the Community as they happened, and lends detailed insight into them and that development as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 15:37:14 GMT -5
Thanks for that laughter. I read Marlowe's post on the marketing section, and browsed her book (on Amazon), read the 5 terrible tenets. The story is Cohen visited Poonja and in a few days Poonja declared him enlightened. So it seems Cohen felt qualified to set up shop and teach. (I just chanced upon this link, a guy who knew Cohen and Poonja, and was also declared enlightened by Poonja. I just browsed it, it seems pretty clear, fairly "objective", not too long. I will probably read it all later). www.lovebringspeace.com/poonja.htmlBut my question is, is there any indication in the book as to how Cohen arrived at the 5 terrible tenets or how he arrived at any of his teaching methods? From a quote by Poonja in the link, Poonja himself seems quite suspect (but that might be obvious from the Cohen mess). I browsed a book of his dialogues years ago (it was a thick mostly white cover book) but didn't buy. (Also, wasn't he Gangaji's "authority" to teach?) Poonja declares peeps as enlightened? Wha...?
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2016 18:00:55 GMT -5
Thanks for that laughter. I read Marlowe's post on the marketing section, and browsed her book (on Amazon), read the 5 terrible tenets. The story is Cohen visited Poonja and in a few days Poonja declared him enlightened. So it seems Cohen felt qualified to set up shop and teach. (I just chanced upon this link, a guy who knew Cohen and Poonja, and was also declared enlightened by Poonja. I just browsed it, it seems pretty clear, fairly "objective", not too long. I will probably read it all later). www.lovebringspeace.com/poonja.htmlBut my question is, is there any indication in the book as to how Cohen arrived at the 5 terrible tenets or how he arrived at any of his teaching methods? From a quote by Poonja in the link, Poonja himself seems quite suspect (but that might be obvious from the Cohen mess). I browsed a book of his dialogues years ago (it was a thick mostly white cover book) but didn't buy. (Also, wasn't he Gangaji's "authority" to teach?) Poonja declares peeps as enlightened? Wha...? According to Baba and Cohen that's the way it was. Perhaps there's something lost in translation, and we can always do our homework on what Mooji and Gangaji each had to say about it.
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Post by sam90 on Apr 16, 2016 7:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Apr 16, 2016 22:18:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Sam. What Osho wrote about there is a very common thread of discussion out on the forum -- and it's not even purposeful, it's just where the conversation always seems to wend to on it's own. Characterizing, classifying and describing what happens between "flowering" and "enlightenment" is, of course, a most natural movement of mind. Relating this to AC, I'd opine that the Community missed this point: "The question is not what it is by which the ego can get nourished—any idea can make you fall." When the ocean has emptied itself into the dewdrop, the progression from "flowering"/"awakening"/"self-realization"/"enlightenment" is seen for what it is precisely because the one who progressed is not only "gone, gone forever, without a trace left behind", but also is seen to have never been other than the ocean during the progression.
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Post by ricktaylor on Apr 19, 2016 16:33:58 GMT -5
. . . But my question is, is there any indication in the book as to how Cohen arrived at the 5 terrible tenets or how he arrived at any of his teaching methods? From a quote by Poonja in the link, Poonja himself seems quite suspect (but that might be obvious from the Cohen mess). I browsed a book of his dialogues years ago (it was a thick mostly white cover book) but didn't buy. (Also, wasn't he Gangaji's "authority" to teach?) I was a formal student of Andrew's around the same time Marlowe recounts in her book. As far as I know, Andrew came up with the five tenets (which he called the five tenants) on his own, from his experience teaching. I don't believe Poonja had anything to do with them. I remember Andrew in a teaching introducing what would eventually become the second tenet, saying he just realized that everyone knew what they were doing. He introduced what would eventually become the third tenet, saying that at first he found it fascinating as a teacher to meet so many different people, but then at some point he realized they were all the same. Poonja did send out Gangaji to teach, telling her to clean up Andrew's mess.
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Post by ricktaylor on Apr 19, 2016 16:48:53 GMT -5
Just to add, while I do blame Poonja for telling Andrew he was a Buddha who was destined to be a great teacher, and setting Andrew's extraordinary proclivity to narcissism completely free, I don't believe Poonja is responsible for any of Andrew's teachings or actions beyond that. Andrew only spent something a couple weeks with Poonja, and went off to make things up as he went along. Moreover, Andrew's teaching philosophy diverged sharply from Poonja's. I don't think Andrew's stress on evolutionary enlightenment and the need for structure and rules like the five tenets had any place in Poonja's understanding of awakening. Poonja was horrified when he was told what Andrew was up to with his students. That's when Poonja sent out students like Gangaji to teach and to counteract Andrew's influence. Andrew felt completely betrayed by Poonja, and a huge breakup with him, after which he said, "That man mean's nothing to me now." Eventually, after Poonja died, Andrew had a vision where Poonja visited him from beyond. Since then, Andrew has spoken of his love and devotion his guru. If you're interested in more details, there's a more detailed account of this here. www.integralworld.net/mavrides1.html
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Post by ricktaylor on Apr 19, 2016 16:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by spookstreet on Apr 21, 2016 9:19:13 GMT -5
Just wondered if anyone could say how Marlowe's book holds up against Andre van der Braak's brilliant Enlightenment Blues (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Enlightenment-Blues-Years-American-Guru/dp/0972635718/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461248279&sr=8-1&keywords=enlightenment+blues).
Incidentally, I'm still waiting for his Gurus & Charisma to be published in the UK - just about every month I get an email from Amazon to say it's been postponed yet again!
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Post by sam90 on Apr 22, 2016 6:43:34 GMT -5
He`s an interesting piece by Aziz( Anadi) :
The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita by Anadi, formerly Aziz on the proliferation of "unqualified" Satsang Service Providers. This is an updated version from 2008, with some small and middle-sized changes, plus some supplementary material at the bottom)
We would like to express our concern regarding the recent phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which has degenerated seriously the original spirit of advaita. Many individuals, who have very little or no knowledge of the awakening process, feel qualified to give satsang and speak on the subject of enlightenment. Enlightenment has become very cheap these days. Nobody actually really knows what this term means, as it virtually means too much to mean anything at all. Nowadays, it is sufficient to say 'I am awakened' in order to give satsang to groups of immature seekers and guru hunters.
Because of the unverifiable nature of enlightenment, this notion has been much manipulated. Satsang has been Americanized. In an average satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing signs of euphoric and unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look like he or she is in bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually meditate. Why to meditate if we are all already awakened?
But is this really advaita? Is advaita a poor repetition of a several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You are That,' You are already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has this anything to do with teaching of masters of high degree like Nisargadatta Maharaj or Ramana Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before he could be really complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate for months and years before they could receive from him the glimpse of the Self.
It is true that New Millennium is a time of spiritual awakening. But this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the level of most people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that there would be a time when many false teachers will teach in the name of Light. It seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers are not necessarily 'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in truth. They have believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready to teach!' Somewhere on the way, they have lost their innocence and sincerity, and the reason why they entered the path in the first place.
It seems that the pauperization of satsang culture began after the death of Poonjaji, a disciple of Ramana Maharishi. He himself has lost the practical aspect of advaita and simplified the teaching of Ramana to the point of becoming very unrealistic. On the other hand, Poonjaji did not understand the twisted ego of western seekers. Many of his followers started to claim that he actually approved their 'awakening.' It seems that so desperately desiring spiritual attainment and approval, they were just too keen to take him literally. It is an advaita custom to say 'you are already awakened.' This is however more a teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his disciples had a glimpse of awakening, Poonjaji made it clear that none of his disciples reached the actual enlightenment. Only at the end of his life he realized that most of his western disciples were insincere, seeking not true self-realization but to assume the role of ‘satsang-givers’. He expressed it on many occasions that none of his followers was worthy his teaching.
We can observe the gradual process of decline of advaita from Ramana to Poonjaji, and from Poonjaji to his followers, and from his followers to their successors. One may naively believe that advaita has been reborn on the higher scale in our century. In truth it is a time of the death of advaita.
It is not our intention to suggest that nobody reaches enlightenment. We just wish to make it clear that complete enlightenment and understanding of its nature is still an extremely rare phenomenon in this reality, which is a plane of low evolution. And equally important, we wish to emphasize that a partial or pre-mature experience of awakening does not qualify one at all to take a role of a self-realized being.
Enlightenment is not that cheap. Many seekers seem to be unaware of a very simple fact that there are actually many levels of self-realization. There is an enormous difference between initial awakening and the actual state of enlightenment. One has to go through many stages of realization to become complete and whole.
But who cares? Most seekers would not bother to study these matters, for in their case there is really 'nobody’ there, just a collective seeker's mind. And most teachers would refuse to enquire into the true nature of enlightenment because they already have a hidden doubt and deep fear concerning the validity of their own attainment.
We would like to suggest not to rush too fast with announcing oneself 'awakened,' and to rush even less with the idea of giving satsang. In Zen tradition one had to wait 10 to 20 years even after real enlightenment before one could guide others. These days we hear about individuals who give satsang the next day after their highly doubtful awakening experience! This is not merely a lack of wisdom but an expression of spiritual idiocy.
Most teachers giving so-called satsang have realized only partial and unstable state of awakening if any at all, but due to their ignorance lack higher perspective to view their realization as relative and incomplete. Following naïve concepts of enlightenment they convince themselves that they have reached the ultimate and block the possibility of further evolution thus jeopardizing their own path.
We recommend to all students and teachers of advaita to be more critical. Follow advaita, if you wish but know that the truth of self-realization is simply much more rich and complex than any linear philosophy, with advaita included. The practical advaita and the theoretical advaita are very different. In the theoretical advaita, the Self is the only reality, there is no path and we are all already awakened. But practical advaita includes the understanding that there is a long way to go before the truth of these statements can become our living reality.
We would like also to create a few practical anti-pseudo-advaita statements: 'You are not awakened unless you awaken' 'You are not That, unless you reach unity with the Absolute Reality', 'There is no path, but only for those who completed it!', 'There is nobody here, but only when the somebody has dissolved’;
Giving satsang and convincing oneself of being awakened when in truth one is fragmented inside is not an option for someone who possesses the basic wisdom, integrity, honesty and honor.
Blessings to Seekers of Truth and Clarity who have the courage to renounce the False
Further to this, also from Aziz . . .
Student: Are all enlightened beings in the same state?
Aziz: In most cases, those who announce their Enlightenment represent only a certain type of Self-realisation. Most often they represent the realisation of pure awareness. And even among them not all are stabilised in this experience. Not to be established in the State of Presence means that one is still losing it from time to time. In Zen, they say that after Enlightenment, twenty years practice is required! It is because, in their understanding, Enlightenment initially means to see one's true nature; and then one has to practice hard not to lose it. There is a level called 'beyond practice' where the state is spontaneously and permanently present, but it is not easy to reach. The problem with the popular view concerning 'sudden Enlightenment' is that its interpretation is rather naïve. This idea can be very misleading because many seekers assume Enlightenment is a sudden, complete and permanent shift of perception. They think that after Enlightenment everything suddenly changes and one is free from problems; that one is continuously happy and lives in bliss. But this is not true. Even those who are considered the greatest masters had to take many steps in their evolution towards completion. In most cases, a master reaches complete Enlightenment in old age.
Student: So how come certain teachers who claim to be enlightened don't know that they deceive themselves?
Aziz: First of all, they don't necessarily deceive themselves. They've possibly experienced a shift into pure awareness, and it is an enlightened state. The only question is whether it is the Final Enlightenment and whether they possess the complete knowledge about the awakening process.
You see, it is a very subtle area. It does not work in such a way that you become enlightened and then you know everything. You may know nothing. When you become suddenly enlightened, it is similar to being transported, in one instant, in your sleep, to the top of Mount Everest. And you say: 'Oh, I'm so high but how did I get here? What am I doing here, actually?' You don't understand your situation yet, for your intelligence has not caught up with the experience. You must see that if there is no intelligence, any experience is meaningless. It is like an enlightened cow the cow may become a Buddha, but her mind is not capable either of understanding or appreciating the gift of Freedom.
We are in the process of a multidimensional evolution. Even if one has experienced a certain shift of consciousness, it takes years for such a person to understand his or her state and much longer to be able to teach. It is not enough to be enlightened in order to teach. A spiritual master has to understand the process of awakening. It is a very complex process.
It is not just to be there, hiding oneself behind the Guru-image and projecting energy onto seekers. Teaching is a responsibility and most teachers, because of their egos, want to become masters as quick as possible. They have some spiritual shift and immediately they start to give Satsang! It is ridiculous what is happening on the spiritual scene.
It is not to judge. It is not to walk around saying: 'this man is enlightened' and 'this one is not enlightened.' Just know that the term Enlightenment designates many stages and possibilities of awakening, and not everyone who awakens is completely enlightened. Use your sensitivity and discriminative wisdom in order to feel what level of Enlightenment the teacher represents and if you wish to choose him or her for a spiritual guide.
It is irrelevant for you whether a particular master is enlightened or not. It is their problem. It is not your life, it is theirs. The question is: how can such a teacher help you? What is important is whether he can give you a teaching that leads you straight to the Self. There are many pseudo-gurus who do not have any real understanding of the awakening process; they tell their followers, 'just stick around and everything will happen.' A real master never over-emphasizes his own presence but is humble and hidden behind the light of Truth.
Do you understand? That is the point. If a spiritual teacher can help you, see this as an opportunity to grow, until the point where perhaps you may go beyond. I have personally met many masters which from my present perspective were not in a complete state. But still I have learnt from them and I am grateful because they shared their truth as much as they could.
Next, it is not necessary to be completely enlightened. Complete Enlightenment is the destiny of very few Souls. What an average person, an average seeker, needs to awaken to is a certain relatively permanent experience of the I Am, and the ability to come back to this experience at any time to have this inner home. Such a person does not need to reach the Absolute State. Enlightenment is not the only purpose of life. You want to live life, you want to be happy, you wish to reach a certain essential amount of emotional fulfillment, you want to adventure in life, to express your creativity. If the purpose of life was only Enlightenment, this universe would not be created.
Yes…there are many elements. You are multidimensional and you need to have in your perspective the vision of your blueprint, your destiny and your completion. You are heading towards the point in your experience of the inner and the outer where you simply feel complete and done with this dimension.
Somebody can be enlightened and be an asshole, while someone else may be only partially connected to I Am but be a wonderful person. Enlightenment doesn't necessarily make you a better person. It gives you a foundation of inner peace, a continuity of awareness, and a depth of Being. But if the Heart is not awakened, the ego may still be arrogant. Apart from awakening, the Soul needs to still evolve emotionally, mentally and in many different areas.
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Post by quinn on Apr 22, 2016 8:40:51 GMT -5
He`s an interesting piece by Aziz( Anadi) : The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita by Anadi, formerly Aziz on the proliferation of "unqualified" Satsang Service Providers. This is an updated version from 2008, with some small and middle-sized changes, plus some supplementary material at the bottom) ... Next, it is not necessary to be completely enlightened. Complete Enlightenment is the destiny of very few Souls. What an average person, an average seeker, needs to awaken to is a certain relatively permanent experience of the I Am, and the ability to come back to this experience at any time to have this inner home. Such a person does not need to reach the Absolute State. Enlightenment is not the only purpose of life. You want to live life, you want to be happy, you wish to reach a certain essential amount of emotional fulfillment, you want to adventure in life, to express your creativity. If the purpose of life was only Enlightenment, this universe would not be created. Yes…there are many elements. You are multidimensional and you need to have in your perspective the vision of your blueprint, your destiny and your completion. You are heading towards the point in your experience of the inner and the outer where you simply feel complete and done with this dimension. Somebody can be enlightened and be an not a very nice person, while someone else may be only partially connected to I Am but be a wonderful person. Enlightenment doesn't necessarily make you a better person. It gives you a foundation of inner peace, a continuity of awareness, and a depth of Being. But if the Heart is not awakened, the ego may still be arrogant. Apart from awakening, the Soul needs to still evolve emotionally, mentally and in many different areas. I especially like these. We've talked here before about intention and I think that's key in a "purpose of life" discussion. With the second: My experience bears out what Anadi's describing - constant evolution (I've called it dissolution). This is all really good information about teachers and shakes up (if not blasts apart) assumption we might have about who to trust. And then we get to inquire, "If I can't trust myself and I can't be sure of the teacher, then what?".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 8:57:22 GMT -5
He`s an interesting piece by Aziz( Anadi) : The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita by Anadi, formerly Aziz on the proliferation of "unqualified" Satsang Service Providers. This is an updated version from 2008, with some small and middle-sized changes, plus some supplementary material at the bottom) ... Next, it is not necessary to be completely enlightened. Complete Enlightenment is the destiny of very few Souls. What an average person, an average seeker, needs to awaken to is a certain relatively permanent experience of the I Am, and the ability to come back to this experience at any time to have this inner home. Such a person does not need to reach the Absolute State. Enlightenment is not the only purpose of life. You want to live life, you want to be happy, you wish to reach a certain essential amount of emotional fulfillment, you want to adventure in life, to express your creativity. If the purpose of life was only Enlightenment, this universe would not be created. Yes…there are many elements. You are multidimensional and you need to have in your perspective the vision of your blueprint, your destiny and your completion. You are heading towards the point in your experience of the inner and the outer where you simply feel complete and done with this dimension. Somebody can be enlightened and be an not a very nice person, while someone else may be only partially connected to I Am but be a wonderful person. Enlightenment doesn't necessarily make you a better person. It gives you a foundation of inner peace, a continuity of awareness, and a depth of Being. But if the Heart is not awakened, the ego may still be arrogant. Apart from awakening, the Soul needs to still evolve emotionally, mentally and in many different areas. I especially like these. We've talked here before about intention and I think that's key in a "purpose of life" discussion. With the second: My experience bears out what Anadi's describing - constant evolution (I've called it dissolution). This is all really good information about teachers and shakes up (if not blasts apart) assumption we might have about who to trust. And then we get to inquire, "If I can't trust myself and I can't be sure of the teacher, then what?". So how can you be sure about Anadi?
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 22, 2016 11:18:09 GMT -5
I especially like these. We've talked here before about intention and I think that's key in a "purpose of life" discussion. With the second: My experience bears out what Anadi's describing - constant evolution (I've called it dissolution). This is all really good information about teachers and shakes up (if not blasts apart) assumption we might have about who to trust. And then we get to inquire, "If I can't trust myself and I can't be sure of the teacher, then what?". So how can you be sure about Anadi? well you see he has an open door for the truth to move through him from another dimension
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