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Dec 21, 2020 21:55:42 GMT -5 @tomah said:

Dec 21, 2020 20:16:00 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Care to explain? Thanks.

I think it means that the emptiness of mind, is not a state that the young are expected to want. They are full of life and living and doing and planning and sharing and building and wanting better and that's perfectly natural. As a man ages, if his dreams have been fulfilled and he's clear about what he can add to world and what he can't, usually because the world that he knew best has passed, he settles into the vacancy and it becomes important to him.

You can see it in the older men in your family. They are more present, yeah? They are listening and watching rather than rushing anywhere. They are appreciating every day and use their mind minimally and yet hopefully still effectively when necessary. They can absorb silence and trust it, rather than trying to fill it.. as they did when they were younger men.

It is pretty good observation!  Yes. Only when really don't want anything from Life or when the chasing really stops, witnessing starts, eh?

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Dec 23, 2020 11:42:52 GMT -5 @gopalan said:

Dec 21, 2020 21:55:42 GMT -5 @tomah said:

I think it means that the emptiness of mind, is not a state that the young are expected to want. They are full of life and living and doing and planning and sharing and building and wanting better and that's perfectly natural. As a man ages, if his dreams have been fulfilled and he's clear about what he can add to world and what he can't, usually because the world that he knew best has passed, he settles into the vacancy and it becomes important to him.

You can see it in the older men in your family. They are more present, yeah? They are listening and watching rather than rushing anywhere. They are appreciating every day and use their mind minimally and yet hopefully still effectively when necessary. They can absorb silence and trust it, rather than trying to fill it.. as they did when they were younger men.

It is pretty good observation!  Yes. Only when really don't want anything from Life or when the chasing really stops, witnessing starts, eh?

Possibly yes..

[zendancer]

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
Franklin Roosevelt, Second Inaugural address, Jan 20, 1937

[inavalan]

Dec 23, 2020 17:37:03 GMT -5 zendancer said:

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
Franklin Roosevelt, Second Inaugural address, Jan 20, 1937

Just curious why did you pick this quote to share, now? Why FDR of all those that stated similar opinions?

Also, maybe a couple of lines about how does that opinion fit into your beliefs, as stated on this forum, if it isn't too much trouble.

Thanks.

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Dec 23, 2020 16:31:36 GMT -5 @tomah said:

Dec 23, 2020 11:42:52 GMT -5 @gopalan said:

It is pretty good observation!  Yes. Only when really don't want anything from Life or when the chasing really stops, witnessing starts, eh?

Possibly yes..

I have noticed many a times that when the very thing I have been chasing after would come on my own way with zero effect on my side when the chasing completely stops. I feel like when we are chasing something or some kind of state(may be peace), we are actually creating the chasing instead of creating the peaceful environment for ourselves. As long as long we chase behind the peace, it wouldn't be available to us because we are busy creating the chasing. 

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Dec 24, 2020 4:03:06 GMT -5 @gopalan said:

Dec 23, 2020 16:31:36 GMT -5 @tomah said:

Possibly yes..

I have noticed many a times that when the very thing I have been chasing after would come on my own way with zero effect on my side when the chasing completely stops. I feel like when we are chasing something or some kind of state(may be peace), we are actually creating the chasing instead of creating the peaceful environment for ourselves. As long as long we chase behind the peace, it wouldn't be available to us because we are busy creating the chasing. 

Yeah, yeah.. that's it. You have to see how it works to be able to make any alteration to it. 

[inavalan]

Dec 28, 2020 12:09:55 GMT -5 @whynot said:

Dec 23, 2020 21:26:56 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Just curious why did you pick this quote to share, now? Why FDR of all those that stated similar opinions?

Also, maybe a couple of lines about how does that opinion fit into your beliefs, as stated on this forum, if it isn't too much trouble.

Thanks.

I think FDR saw suffering, felt empathy and compassion, and sought to help.

My post was about the post, not about FDR. I don't want to get into the mushy stuff.

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"A wise man's kingdom is his own breast: or, if he ever looks farther, it will only be to the judgment of a select few, who are free from prejudices, and capable of examining his work."

David Hume, 1759.

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Dec 23, 2020 17:37:03 GMT -5 zendancer said:

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
Franklin Roosevelt, Second Inaugural address, Jan 20, 1937

We seem to have failed that test by the explosion of homelessness in the west coast cities, in particular. Poverty is needless suffering. But it will always be with us, and it seems that even the ultra wealthy suffer from dissatisfaction. Some quite deeply, and in their expression of that suffering (by way of greed), they become the relative cause of poverty.

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"To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."

-- Aldous Huxley

[inavalan]

Jan 18, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5 @whynot said:

“Ten thousand fools proclaim themselves into obscurity, while one wise man forgets himself into immortality.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

Do you mind explaining what do you think he meant by that? (honest question, I don't understand the meaning of this quote)

• who are the 10,000 fools?
  
• what does it mean to proclaim yourself in obscurity?
• who's the wise man?
• what does it mean to forget yourself in immortality?

Having posted this quote, it must've said something to you. 

[inavalan]

Jan 18, 2021 14:32:55 GMT -5 laughter said:

"To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."

-- Aldous Huxley

Do you mind sharing the context of this quote? Who's he alluding to?

[inavalan]

Jan 18, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Jan 18, 2021 13:04:35 GMT -5 @whynot said:

“Ten thousand fools proclaim themselves into obscurity, while one wise man forgets himself into immortality.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

Do you mind explaining what do you think he meant by that? (honest question, I don't understand the meaning of this quote)

• who are the 10,000 fools?
  
• what does it mean to proclaim yourself in obscurity?
• who's the wise man?
• what does it mean to forget yourself in immortality?

Having posted this quote, it must've said something to you. 

I found (googled) this interpretation:

Anything that a fool has to say will only last temporarily, while something that a wise man says lasts forever. It says "fools proclaim" because dumb people condescend to others, while a "wise man forgets" because he doesn't care about popularity.

[inavalan]

Jan 18, 2021 17:26:56 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Jan 18, 2021 14:32:55 GMT -5 laughter said:

"To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats."

-- Aldous Huxley

Do you mind sharing the context of this quote? Who's he alluding to?

This is what I found (googled):

He burst onto the literary scene in 1921 with his novel “Crome Yellow,” a satirical novel that takes place at a manor house party. It introduced the world to Huxley’s acid brand of cynicism. “The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone,” Huxley wrote in the novel. “To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior ‘righteous indignation’ — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats.”

[zendancer]

Jan 18, 2021 19:10:03 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Jan 18, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -5 inavalan said:

Do you mind explaining what do you think he meant by that? (honest question, I don't understand the meaning of this quote)

• who are the 10,000 fools?
  
• what does it mean to proclaim yourself in obscurity?
• who's the wise man?
• what does it mean to forget yourself in immortality?

Having posted this quote, it must've said something to you. 

I found (googled) this interpretation:

Anything that a fool has to say will only last temporarily, while something that a wise man says lasts forever. It says "fools proclaim" because dumb people condescend to others, while a "wise man forgets" because he doesn't care about popularity.

Selfishness has an audience of one; selflessness has an audience beyond number.