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Post by louise on Nov 21, 2009 17:30:33 GMT -5
Louise, I really like your question. I am not equipped for contributing a valid answer although I suspect we're dealing here with semantic inaccuracies, language being a very blunt tool for representing what we're trying to communicate about. Still, I look forward to which reply is coming... Hi Vacant It could have been a semantic, but preferring to use the word from her experience.as she sees it, possibly not wanting to say as she sees it. Hope this is clear. LS
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Post by zendancer on Nov 21, 2009 22:03:03 GMT -5
"Louise, Yes, I found out who was pumping my blood, and it wasn't who I thought it was. I found out at 10:15 on the morning of March 5, 1984, and it was the biggest surprise of my entire life. ZD" Good morning ZD. If we don't exist how can it be a 'who'? Can you be more explicit? Thank you. Hi Louise: I just got back home from out of state and got your message. Any explanation of "who" pumps blood and thinks thoughts simply points at something that is unimaginable. We could say that it is "God," "Tao," or "the Absolute," but until you experience THAT for yourself, the words will mean little. Until I caught that first glimpse in 1984 I thought that I was a human being living in an inanimate universe full of things and events. Afterwards, I realized that I had been living in a dreamlike state of mind. Currently, you probably think that you are a woman with the name of "Louise," but that, too, is a dream--a product of human imagination. In truth, you are the Absolute manifesting "just like this." Using the body/mind that you imagine to be Louise, the Absolute is imagining that it is human being named "Louise." If you can stop imagining, the truth will become obvious, and you will laugh like you have never laughed before. You will have discovered the truth of who you are. For most people, getting a glimpse of the truth does not lead to immediate freedom. It just shows them that the universe is not what they thought it was. It takes a while longer before the illusion of selfhood is fully penetrated. For me, it took another fifteen years (until August 17, 1999), but some people get it much quicker. I was just a slow learner. Cheers.
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Post by louise on Nov 23, 2009 13:27:47 GMT -5
"Louise, Yes, I found out who was pumping my blood, and it wasn't who I thought it was. I found out at 10:15 on the morning of March 5, 1984, and it was the biggest surprise of my entire life. ZD" Good morning ZD. If we don't exist how can it be a 'who'? Can you be more explicit? Thank you. Hi Louise: I just got back home from out of state and got your message. Any explanation of "who" pumps blood and thinks thoughts simply points at something that is unimaginable. We could say that it is "God," "Tao," or "the Absolute," but until you experience THAT for yourself, the words will mean little. Until I caught that first glimpse in 1984 I thought that I was a human being living in an inanimate universe full of things and events. Afterwards, I realized that I had been living in a dreamlike state of mind. Currently, you probably think that you are a woman with the name of "Louise," but that, too, is a dream--a product of human imagination. In truth, you are the Absolute manifesting "just like this." Using the body/mind that you imagine to be Louise, the Absolute is imagining that it is human being named "Louise." If you can stop imagining, the truth will become obvious, and you will laugh like you have never laughed before. You will have discovered the truth of who you are. For most people, getting a glimpse of the truth does not lead to immediate freedom. It just shows them that the universe is not what they thought it was. It takes a while longer before the illusion of selfhood is fully penetrated. For me, it took another fifteen years (until August 17, 1999), but some people get it much quicker. I was just a slow learner. Cheers.
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Post by louise on Nov 23, 2009 13:35:13 GMT -5
Hi Louise: I just got back home from out of state and got your message. Any explanation of "who" pumps blood and thinks thoughts simply points at something that is unimaginable. We could say that it is "God," "Tao," or "the Absolute," but until you experience THAT for yourself, the words will mean little. Until I caught that first glimpse in 1984 I thought that I was a human being living in an inanimate universe full of things and events. Afterwards, I realized that I had been living in a dreamlike state of mind. Currently, you probably think that you are a woman with the name of "Louise," but that, too, is a dream--a product of human imagination. In truth, you are the Absolute manifesting "just like this." Using the body/mind that you imagine to be Louise, the Absolute is imagining that it is human being named "Louise." If you can stop imagining, the truth will become obvious, and you will laugh like you have never laughed before. You will have discovered the truth of who you are. For most people, getting a glimpse of the truth does not lead to immediate freedom. It just shows them that the universe is not what they thought it was. It takes a while longer before the illusion of selfhood is fully penetrated. For me, it took another fifteen years (until August 17, 1999), but some people get it much quicker. I was just a slow learner. Cheers. ............................................................................................................. Today, I am Louise so I am not being given the reply to your idea of "a glimpse of truth". I just have one question, "What is truth to zendancer"? Louise
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Post by zendancer on Nov 23, 2009 14:02:04 GMT -5
Hi Louise,
Don't worry about thinking that you're Louise. You'll continue to think that until you see through the illusion, and there is no way to predict when that will occur. Until then, just focus upon what you can see, hear, feel, taste, or smell. When you do that, you will be doing the same thing as if you were meditating. You will be directly experiencing reality rather than thoughts. This habit will take you to the living truth free from all ideas of truth. Remember, the truth is not an idea. It can't be imagined. We can use words to point to it, but words are dead. The truth is alive.
What is truth to Zendancer? Sitting here typing this note to you. Cheers.
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Post by ventura23 on Nov 23, 2009 19:38:14 GMT -5
Hi Louise, Don't worry about thinking that you're Louise. You'll continue to think that until you see through the illusion, and there is no way to predict when that will occur. Until then, just focus upon what you can see, hear, feel, taste, or smell. When you do that, you will be doing the same thing as if you were meditating. You will be directly experiencing reality rather than thoughts. This habit will take you to the living truth free from all ideas of truth. Remember, the truth is not an idea. It can't be imagined. We can use words to point to it, but words are dead. The truth is alive. What is truth to Zendancer? Sitting here typing this note to you. Cheers. ............................................................................................................. Hi. Why would I focus on hear, feel, taste or smell to know if I am dealing with Louise or the spirit that comes through rather from me.? Those are of the flesh, not the spirit. I don't consider it a habit. I am sitting and typing to you also, but somehow there is a difference of whether I am being shown what to say or if it is coming from thought which is not the spirit. Sensing that, I don't try to use words as you say that are dead when I sense that. There are times I do because I am still human, but that does not mean it is truth, but, thought. I am in no way perfect. Louise
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Post by zendancer on Nov 23, 2009 22:29:22 GMT -5
Louise: The reason that focusing on direct sensory perception will take you home (to the truth) is that home is found through the body rather than the mind. Your body is directly connected to the Absolute whereas your head is, so to speak, up in the clouds. Meditation (which is any form of direct perception) grounds you, and will ultimately reveal the ground of your being.
When you were a child, the world was mystical and magical. It was vibrant, intimate, and alive. You lived in the present moment and directly interacted with reality. You spent most of your time directly experiencing the world through your senses. As you grew up, you left the real world behind, and shifted your attention to ideas ABOUT the world. All of us do this. To discover the truth, we have to reverse the habit that led to the dead world of adulthood and substitute direct perception for thoughts. The Buddha once said that if a person could stop thinking for seven days, he/she would wake up. This may be an exaggeration, but it certainly points toward the truth. It is not an accident that the second most common precipitant of mystical experiences is meditation.
When you asked, "What is truth to Zendancer?" I responded with "what is" (my typing a note to you). "Truth" can either be an intellectual abstraction or the manifestion of isness. Any idea about truth is dead and misses the living truth. ZD
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Post by ventura23 on Nov 24, 2009 17:13:33 GMT -5
Louise: The reason that focusing on direct sensory perception will take you home (to the truth) is that home is found through the body rather than the mind. Your body is directly connected to the Absolute whereas your head is, so to speak, up in the clouds. Meditation (which is any form of direct perception) grounds you, and will ultimately reveal the ground of your being. When you were a child, the world was mystical and magical. It was vibrant, intimate, and alive. You lived in the present moment and directly interacted with reality. You spent most of your time directly experiencing the world through your senses. As you grew up, you left the real world behind, and shifted your attention to ideas ABOUT the world. All of us do this. To discover the truth, we have to reverse the habit that led to the dead world of adulthood and substitute direct perception for thoughts. The Buddha once said that if a person could stop thinking for seven days, he/she would wake up. This may be an exaggeration, but it certainly points toward the truth. It is not an accident that the second most common precipitant of mystical experiences is meditation. When you asked, "What is truth to Zendancer?" I responded with "what is" (my typing a note to you). "Truth" can either be an intellectual abstraction or the manifestion of isness. Any idea about truth is dead and misses the living truth. ZD
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Post by ventura23 on Nov 24, 2009 17:33:18 GMT -5
Im sorry, but we are not on the same page. The body is not in touch with truth, the body is flesh and blood, it is not imortal. The brain has nothing to do with the mind of God. God works in secret and I am sorry to say but the brain is an intellectual entity. The body dies, the Higher mind never dies. To discover the truth one must be still. The brain is always busy thinking and blocks the truth.it is the brain, the sensory parts of the brain that is up in the clouds. It is the brain that hangs onto ideas that we have become brainwashed , the higher mind is still so it can receive truth, the brain creates it's own realization the higher mind receives truth when thought is not in the way., but, by separating from thought, it is then a receiver of truth. Otherwise we remain in our imagination. You are welcome to your ideas. Louise
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Post by zendancer on Nov 24, 2009 20:46:57 GMT -5
Louise: You wrote, "To discover the truth one must be still." Yes, that is correct. Perfect! Being still will work just as well as focusing on direct sensory experience. Whether you use stillness, body awareness, direct perception, mantra repetition, feeling the breath, self-inquiry, etc. the object is to cut through thoughts, transcend the relative, and experience the Absolute. There are many different pathways to THAT. If you go far enough into stillness and silence, you will discover that God is not separate from anything (including the body) and that God is all there is. Ironically, if you discover this, Louise won't be there to make the discovery. Oneness is all there is. Cheers.
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Post by lightmystic on Nov 25, 2009 0:24:09 GMT -5
Hey Louise, If Enlightenment is a permanent, visceral change, then it cannot be separate from the body. Of course it is not limited to the body, but it includes it. It's direct, sensory. Making an artificial distinction between body and spirit is simply just another assumption that gets in the way. Im sorry, but we are not on the same page. The body is not in touch with truth, the body is flesh and blood, it is not imortal. The brain has nothing to do with the mind of God. God works in secret and I am sorry to say but the brain is an intellectual entity. The body dies, the Higher mind never dies. To discover the truth one must be still. The brain is always busy thinking and blocks the truth.it is the brain, the sensory parts of the brain that is up in the clouds. It is the brain that hangs onto ideas that we have become brainwashed , the higher mind is still so it can receive truth, the brain creates it's own realization the higher mind receives truth when thought is not in the way., but, by separating from thought, it is then a receiver of truth. Otherwise we remain in our imagination. You are welcome to your ideas. Louise
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