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Post by andrew on Jul 4, 2015 16:14:34 GMT -5
good question I'm going to write my answer in a way that will hopefully work for you and which will answer your question, but which may not be resonant with some of the advaita folk, but....let's not worry about that eh. I could probably come up with some more, but maybe this is enough for now. 1. Advaita states that the qualities of peace, happiness and well-being are available to us consistently, because they are not dependent on conditions. Instead, they are qualities of our very being. This takes the stress out of having to manipulate conditions to try and be at peace and happy, instead, in just 'being who we are', we can be at peace and happy. Much less effort, much more peace, well-being and happiness. 2. Advaita states that our happiness is not dependent on being right about something, or knowing the truth about something, it's not dependent on how much knowledge we have, on how clever we are, on how successful we are. Happiness and well-being is available right now without having to know anything, or achieve something, or be right about something. So again, much less effort and stress, much more potential of peace, well-being and happiness. 3. Advaita states that nothing that is truly of value is ever lost, so there's nothing to be scared of any more, no need to work hard to keep hold of something, no need to try and prevent change happening. All that is good stands the test of time. 4. Advaita states that Love does not necessarily have to be accompanied by loss, fear, possessiveness, jealousy and anger. So there is no need to fear or resist or deny Love. *** Important point. It's not so much that these statements are truths, what matters is that they can be experienced to be true.
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Post by laughter on Jul 4, 2015 16:55:47 GMT -5
After reading what andy wrote I feel like the dude in that story from the Japanese airport in the '80's who landed in a parallel reality.
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Post by andrew on Jul 4, 2015 16:59:09 GMT -5
After reading what andy wrote I feel like the dude in that story from the Japanese airport in the '80's who landed in a parallel reality. who are you talking to? Jay?
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Post by laughter on Jul 4, 2015 17:01:36 GMT -5
After reading what andy wrote I feel like the dude in that story from the Japanese airport in the '80's who landed in a parallel reality. who are you talking to? Jay? Not just jay, no, everyone.
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Post by andrew on Jul 4, 2015 17:06:06 GMT -5
who are you talking to? Jay? Not just jay, no, everyone. ah I see!
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Post by laughter on Jul 5, 2015 7:22:10 GMT -5
Not just jay, no, everyone. ah I see! Dude, there's no reason to feel self-conscious when peeps express interest in your expressions -- positive or negative.
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Post by andrew on Jul 5, 2015 7:24:12 GMT -5
ah I see! Dude, there's no reason to feel self-conscious when peeps express interest in your expressions -- positive or negative. Ah, the implication was meant to be that you are on stage being watched by an audience. Not me.
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Post by zendancer on Jul 5, 2015 9:44:04 GMT -5
good question I'm going to write my answer in a way that will hopefully work for you and which will answer your question, but which may not be resonant with some of the advaita folk, but....let's not worry about that eh. I could probably come up with some more, but maybe this is enough for now. 1. Advaita states that the qualities of peace, happiness and well-being are available to us consistently, because they are not dependent on conditions. Instead, they are qualities of our very being. This takes the stress out of having to manipulate conditions to try and be at peace and happy, instead, in just 'being who we are', we can be at peace and happy. Much less effort, much more peace, well-being and happiness. 2. Advaita states that our happiness is not dependent on being right about something, or knowing the truth about something, it's not dependent on how much knowledge we have, on how clever we are, on how successful we are. Happiness and well-being is available right now without having to know anything, or achieve something, or be right about something. So again, much less effort and stress, much more potential of peace, well-being and happiness. 3. Advaita states that nothing that is truly of value is ever lost, so there's nothing to be scared of any more, no need to work hard to keep hold of something, no need to try and prevent change happening. All that is good stands the test of time. 4. Advaita states that Love does not necessarily have to be accompanied by loss, fear, possessiveness, jealousy and anger. So there is no need to fear or resist or deny Love. *** Important point. It's not so much that these statements are truths, what matters is that they can be experienced to be true. Andrew: That sounds pretty good to me. I would add only one or two other things, which are just expansions upon what you wrote: Advaita states that the search for the truth of one's being can come to an end, and this, alone, is a wonderful thing. If the search comes to an end, one discovers that one is always at home in the universe, and the at-homeness is viscerally felt. Knowing that one is always at home creates a sense of ease, peace of mind, freedom, and an effortless flow to life. It is like returning to a childlike state of mind that plays rather than thinks. Advaita states that what we call "reality" is a unified living infinite intelligent isness, and that separateness is a cognitively-generated illusion. This claim can be verified via a particular realization or a CC experience, and seeing this truth changes one's understanding of reality completely. Most importantly, it instantly eliminates the fear of death because it is seen that what one IS is never born and never dies. This is the "good news" that most religions teach; the difference between the Advaita teaching and those of most religions is that eternal life exists now; it has nothing to do with anything in an imaginary future. Advaita states that the split-mind perception of reality common to adults, in which the universe is viewed from the perspective of an outside observer, can cease. This cessation results in what might be called "a unified perspective," and results in many beneficial changes in the ways one relates to other people.
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Post by zendancer on Jul 5, 2015 9:46:53 GMT -5
After reading what andy wrote I feel like the dude in that story from the Japanese airport in the '80's who landed in a parallel reality. Sorry, Laughter, but this post went right over my head. What did I miss?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:26:29 GMT -5
good question I'm going to write my answer in a way that will hopefully work for you and which will answer your question, but which may not be resonant with some of the advaita folk, but....let's not worry about that eh. I could probably come up with some more, but maybe this is enough for now. 1. Advaita states that the qualities of peace, happiness and well-being are available to us consistently, because they are not dependent on conditions. Instead, they are qualities of our very being. This takes the stress out of having to manipulate conditions to try and be at peace and happy, instead, in just 'being who we are', we can be at peace and happy. Much less effort, much more peace, well-being and happiness. 2. Advaita states that our happiness is not dependent on being right about something, or knowing the truth about something, it's not dependent on how much knowledge we have, on how clever we are, on how successful we are. Happiness and well-being is available right now without having to know anything, or achieve something, or be right about something. So again, much less effort and stress, much more potential of peace, well-being and happiness. 3. Advaita states that nothing that is truly of value is ever lost, so there's nothing to be scared of any more, no need to work hard to keep hold of something, no need to try and prevent change happening. All that is good stands the test of time. 4. Advaita states that Love does not necessarily have to be accompanied by loss, fear, possessiveness, jealousy and anger. So there is no need to fear or resist or deny Love. *** Important point. It's not so much that these statements are truths, what matters is that they can be experienced to be true. Andrew: That sounds pretty good to me. I would add only one or two other things, which are just expansions upon what you wrote: Advaita states that the search for the truth of one's being can come to an end, and this, alone, is a wonderful thing. If the search comes to an end, one discovers that one is always at home in the universe, and the at-homeness is viscerally felt. Knowing that one is always at home creates a sense of ease, peace of mind, freedom, and an effortless flow to life. It is like returning to a childlike state of mind that plays rather than thinks. Advaita states that what we call "reality" is a unified living infinite intelligent isness, and that separateness is a cognitively-generated illusion. This claim can be verified via a particular realization or a CC experience, and seeing this truth changes one's understanding of reality completely. Most importantly, it instantly eliminates the fear of death because it is seen that what one IS is never born and never dies. This is the "good news" that most religions teach; the difference between the Advaita teaching and those of most religions is that eternal life exists now; it has nothing to do with anything in an imaginary future. Advaita states that the split-mind perception of reality common to adults, in which the universe is viewed from the perspective of an outside observer, can cease. This cessation results in what might be called "a unified perspective," and results in many beneficial changes in the ways one relates to other people. "that plays rather than thinks." hi What do you mean by this? So thinking about something is a problem?
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Post by zendancer on Jul 5, 2015 12:57:10 GMT -5
Andrew: That sounds pretty good to me. I would add only one or two other things, which are just expansions upon what you wrote: Advaita states that the search for the truth of one's being can come to an end, and this, alone, is a wonderful thing. If the search comes to an end, one discovers that one is always at home in the universe, and the at-homeness is viscerally felt. Knowing that one is always at home creates a sense of ease, peace of mind, freedom, and an effortless flow to life. It is like returning to a childlike state of mind that plays rather than thinks. Advaita states that what we call "reality" is a unified living infinite intelligent isness, and that separateness is a cognitively-generated illusion. This claim can be verified via a particular realization or a CC experience, and seeing this truth changes one's understanding of reality completely. Most importantly, it instantly eliminates the fear of death because it is seen that what one IS is never born and never dies. This is the "good news" that most religions teach; the difference between the Advaita teaching and those of most religions is that eternal life exists now; it has nothing to do with anything in an imaginary future. Advaita states that the split-mind perception of reality common to adults, in which the universe is viewed from the perspective of an outside observer, can cease. This cessation results in what might be called "a unified perspective," and results in many beneficial changes in the ways one relates to other people. "that plays rather than thinks." hi What do you mean by this? So thinking about something is a problem? Self-referential thinking, and various other forms of existential thinking ("the world shouldn't be this way"), are burdensome and problematic for many folks. I was simply contrasting the light, playful, direct way of life exhibited by little children (who do not spend time thinking ABOUT themselves or the past and future) with the heavy thought-oriented approach of many adults. It is the same thing Tolle is pointing to with his phrase of praise for "freedom from the compulsion of incessant thought."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 13:16:34 GMT -5
"that plays rather than thinks." hi What do you mean by this? So thinking about something is a problem? Self-referential thinking, and various other forms of existential thinking ("the world shouldn't be this way"), are burdensome and problematic for many folks. I was simply contrasting the light, playful, direct way of life exhibited by little children (who do not spend time thinking ABOUT themselves or the past and future) with the heavy thought-oriented approach of many adults. It is the same thing Tolle is pointing to with his phrase of praise for "freedom from the compulsion of incessant thought." Okay, but why do you expect the non conceptual awareness for this? Simple direct seeing would reveal the fact. For an example, interest create boredom, pressure create freedom, happy creates unhappy, while we directly see this, function of mind changes, orchestration of universe changes, Direct seeing lead to realization.
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Post by zendancer on Jul 5, 2015 16:33:53 GMT -5
Self-referential thinking, and various other forms of existential thinking ("the world shouldn't be this way"), are burdensome and problematic for many folks. I was simply contrasting the light, playful, direct way of life exhibited by little children (who do not spend time thinking ABOUT themselves or the past and future) with the heavy thought-oriented approach of many adults. It is the same thing Tolle is pointing to with his phrase of praise for "freedom from the compulsion of incessant thought." Okay, but why do you expect the non conceptual awareness for this? Simple direct seeing would reveal the fact. For an example, interest create boredom, pressure create freedom, happy creates unhappy, while we directly see this, function of mind changes, orchestration of universe changes, Direct seeing lead to realization. Simple direct seeing and non-conceptual awareness are the same. Conceptual awareness is seeing mediated by thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 21:49:31 GMT -5
Okay, but why do you expect the non conceptual awareness for this? Simple direct seeing would reveal the fact. For an example, interest create boredom, pressure create freedom, happy creates unhappy, while we directly see this, function of mind changes, orchestration of universe changes, Direct seeing lead to realization. Simple direct seeing and non-conceptual awareness are the same. Conceptual awareness is seeing mediated by thinking. Yes, you are here without thinking, but thinking cannot be here without you. And yet there is no distance between you and thought.
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Post by laughter on Jul 6, 2015 5:40:00 GMT -5
Dude, there's no reason to feel self-conscious when peeps express interest in your expressions -- positive or negative. Ah, the implication was meant to be that you are on stage being watched by an audience. Not me. Yes, that was obvious, but we've done that particular hyperminding together more than once. If you only wanted jay to read that you would have written it privately, so my position here is not other than yours. It was nice to read -- it does have a few questionable points -- but I liked it. No need to be self-conscious about that.
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