Con-spear-a-seas

[jay17]

Jul 7, 2015 17:35:23 GMT -5 andrew said:

Jul 7, 2015 11:55:43 GMT -5 figgles said:

yeah, I hear ya..... what a funny, strange thing that "nationalism" deally  is eh?....... The newscaster describes a plane crash, where all sorts of folks of various nationalities perished, but it's not til they get to the "There were 14 Canadians on board, 5 of them died," that the upset in the room starts.

Exactly....it's almost as if a bit of personal offence is taken...'that shouldn't happen to folks from MY country'.

Nationalism, the manufactured propaganda version, is designed to condition the people of a country that they are better than other nationalities\tribes, that other nationalities are to be feared\not trusted, disliked, and thought of as inferior due to their religions, intellect, culture and achievements in many fields, even a simple thing like sports.  Loyalty should only be for one's own country, and woe to any citizen who does not support their country and their impact on the world.

Taking offense-emotional manipulation.
I recall early in my self exploration journey that i would be deeply offended when i was cut off in round-a-bouts. I judged this to be an overreaction, so i examined and discovered i was taking it personally, when in further contemplation, there is no rational reason to take it personally because whomever was cutting me off did not personally know me. The other driver was simply cutting off another car, not me, and with no intention to cause any form of harm to the other driver. Once i understood this, i was no longer offended by the selfish\inconsiderate behavior of other drivers.

What was happening in the round-a-bout incidents is i was responding emotionally instead of rationally. My emotions clouded\influencing my reasoning to such a high level that my response was anger and hatred towards the other driver. The other driver is now my enemy, s\he is not a part of my tribe. I am not loyal to them.

The controlled propaganda social conditioning media subconsciously manipulates people at the emotional level,(and check out Edward Bernays), which bypasses or heavily influences the critical thinking processes.
And it seems to me that wren's first response to you is one that is based on emotions manipulated by the media.

Emotional manipulation to control behavior has been in advertising for decades, sexual desire being the #1 emotion they target.
Blimey, back in the day 90s- 2000s, when i used to watch tv, i recall an influx of ads for products that one would never associate with sex, has sexual imagery or phrases in them.

The one that really got my attention was an ad for bread. Yep, a plain old boring day to day loaf of bread, not even a continental fancy one. The ad was a single woman in her early thirties, conservatively dressed, at home with her equally conservative breed of dog. Nothing sexual in the slightest throughout the ad, just an unmarried average woman making meals in her home, with her trusted dog by her side, accompanied by a male voice-over talking about the simple joys or pleasures of bread...

...until the last few seconds, when the camera is now showing one of the rooms, living room i think, with the woman and dog off camera, and just as the voice-over guy finishes mentioning about the pleasure of bread, she utters a very sensual pleasurable remark to her dog. Yes, she was having sexual pleasure with her dog.

If you are not alert, you would not think she was doing this, or you would unconsciosuly deny what you just heard, you would think she is moaning about her delicious bread, because the ad was never taken off the air. Once i realized what the ad makers were up to, as i watched the ad again and again, i noticed the whole ad was shot in low sensual lighting, as apposed to most ads about food in a house, the house is always bright and there's a family or a bunch of friends having good times together in a meal setting.

The news(tv, radio, newspapers, magazines and websites) also manipulates at the emotional level, but not with sexual stuff. They "tug at the heart strings" with images and words of loyalty to one's country. Showing the horrendous results from what they report as the bad people, while the people of their own country are sacrificing, brave, heroic. Is it any wonder why there is a flood of super hero movies being pumped out by Hollywood since 2011. Not to mention war movies with a positive message and scenes of heroic soldiers fighting against insurmountable odds.

And if you are anti war\anti soldier, if you think there is no need for soldiers, they started introducing movies with all of humanity being attacked by aliens...so pull your head out of your a$$es you peace loving hippies, the world needs soldiers who will go into battle to save your sorry a$$es because life is a fearful place where there's always someone out there to wipe you out.

Nationalism\tribalism - dividing people against each other.
A year after my time in the psych ward, still in rehab mode, i began to volunteer at the hospital. I took care of the Oncology Dept carpark for the patients, making that part of their day as trouble free as possible. I noticed many patients and relatives\close friends having to come outside for their nicotine fix. Puffing stressfully away in order to calm down. And the policy in the hospital is to not provide ashtrays, because they do not advocate smoking.

This does not deter most people from smoking and simply makes a mess as people have no choice but to throw their butts on the ground. And as i watched the faces of the majority of the people throwing away their butts, i noticed no concern for the mess they were making. No consideration for the environment, the long term negative impact the filter has on the environment that sustains them and all living things.

And i pondered if they throw their butts on the floor of their house. And i concluded that they would not. So i reasoned that because they appear to have no trouble throwing them in the street outside the hospital, then they must perceive that the hospital grounds are not their home, it is not theirs to take care of. They are loyal only to their house and yard, and perhaps their neighborhood street.

And then i extrapolated that to nationalism, that some people do not consider people from other countries, other nationalities, as their kin, they are not related. They are from a different tribe, therefore they do not deserve the same love, respect and beneficial effort given to family members or those of one's own country.

I'm sure a soldier would not kill one of their own family members if ordered to by a superior, and many of them would not kill members of their own country, but they seem to have no trouble in killing their own kind who come from other countries.

Of course, many soldiers suffer terrible psychological damage after their service is over, and the "emotionless utterly obedient killing machine' programming they received in boot camp is put aside and their own personality returns to the fore and they are flooded with guilt, shame and remorse for the atrocities they inflicted on their fellow beings, or saw...many of them opting for suicide because they can not handle the pain.

I think it was Einstein...wait...~scans quotes database~...
"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service" - Albert Einstein

I hope we as a species evolve to that state soon because the "war pigs"(Black Sabbath song) are busy working towards making war - the ability to destroy(and\or control via force\bullying) others for resources and the profits from them, fully automated, no need for thousands of soldiers to go around killing others or forcing others to submit to another.

In The Terminator movies, the threat to humanity was from unfeeling machines. There is the threat of a real SkyNet, and it's also run by machines...by cold hearted humans who do not give a dingo's kidney about any people but themselves and their bloodline families.

Yet if you are emotionally manipulated, and thus your critical thinking has been compromised, you will have no problem doing their bidding, or at least supporting them.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

Hitler is the go to person about this phenomena.
Many germans willingly followed Hitler because they were convinced he was the savior of their country. They did whatever he asked of them because they were convinced it was the best thing to do for their country and the world.

And many of these same people were shocked after the war to learn not only what he was actually doing, but some, knowing what he was doing, they advocated and joined in, and they were shocked to realize they were mesmerized\hypnotized\brainwashed\spellbound to be an active part of it, utterly convinced it was the right thing to do.

 

[laughter]

Jul 5, 2015 14:06:17 GMT -5 jay17 said:

Jul 4, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -5 @popee said:

"Instead of indulging in mere speculation, devote yourself here and now to the search for the Truth that is ever within you." – Ramana Maharshi

It seems to me you're out of context. 
You seem to be under the impression that all i do is speculate, or that all i possess are speculations.

What would lead you to that conclusion based on what popee wrote?

[laughter]

Jul 7, 2015 13:56:23 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 7, 2015 13:51:03 GMT -5 figgles said:

He means he doesn't favor "The British" in terms of extending caring and  compassion.

Oh, of course, how could I miss that? 

What's interesting is that here we have an example, right here in this thread, of how overactive imaginations lead to the whacked-out conspiracy theories to begin with. You draw attention to the victims and the perpetrators of an attack, and because figandrew see what they want to see, they hypermind-up this image of you as an angry nationalist brainwashed by the mainstream media on the hunt for random culprits that serve the interest of the Illuminati.

If people can't read and watch the news with a critical eye it can upset them, I understand that. Obviously the media is biased. Obviously the media is owned and controlled by a wealthy elite. That's why its, well ... you know, the media.

So taking what every source has to offer cognizant of it's subjective bias is important, but if people form opinions and conclusions unconscious of their own biases we wind up with these paranoid fantasies about alien lizards pulling the puppet strings on governments that are secretly plotting and executing plans to poison and enslave their populations and deceiving the masses with propaganda to perpetuate endless war. 9/11 as an inside job is both the ultimate insult and ultimate absurdity and the ultimate emblem of this insanity.

I was there that day and saw the buses with people covered in gray ash. Whole institutions -- Cantor Fitz, Eurobrokers -- wiped out in a morning. This madness is beyond contempt, really.

The most interesting and effective of the whack-nut stories incorporate the truth quite artfully -- the fact is that the military industrial complex in the U.S., for example, has a vested interest in perpetual conflict, and the peeps that control the monetary system have a vested interest in perpetuating public debt. This is pretty much indisputable and obvious simply by the fact of what those systems are. But the more paranoid the conspiracy theorist, the more outlandish the tale.

[laughter]

Ha! ha! New York City pisses peeps off by it's very existence. It arouses anger and jealousy just by being the awesome center and capital of the Universe that it is.

Suck it f#ckers!

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Jul 8, 2015 5:02:56 GMT -5 laughter said:

Jul 5, 2015 14:06:17 GMT -5 jay17 said:

It seems to me you're out of context. 
You seem to be under the impression that all i do is speculate, or that all i possess are speculations.

What would lead you to that conclusion based on what popee wrote?

it was a logical leap to conclusion,isn't it?

[Deleted]

Jul 8, 2015 5:27:59 GMT -5 laughter said:

Ha! ha! New York City pisses peeps off by it's very existence. It arouses anger and jealousy just by being the awesome center and capital of the Universe that it is.

Suck it f#ckers!

wrong. I'm broadcasting from the center of the Universe, and it ain't no where near that hell hole

[Deleted]

Jul 8, 2015 5:27:59 GMT -5 laughter said:

Ha! ha! New York City pisses peeps off by it's very existence. It arouses anger and jealousy just by being the awesome center and capital of the Universe that it is.

Suck it f#ckers!

haha, those big apple geniuses can't even keep the stock exchange open... so how's a man supposed to exit a leveraged position?

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Jul 8, 2015 5:16:47 GMT -5 laughter said:

Jul 7, 2015 13:56:23 GMT -5 @wren said:

Oh, of course, how could I miss that? 

What's interesting is that here we have an example, right here in this thread, of how overactive imaginations lead to the whacked-out conspiracy theories to begin with. You draw attention to the victims and the perpetrators of an attack, and because figandrew see what they want to see, they hypermind-up this image of you as an angry nationalist brainwashed by the mainstream media on the hunt for random culprits that serve the interest of the Illuminati.

If people can't read and watch the news with a critical eye it can upset them, I understand that. Obviously the media is biased. Obviously the media is owned and controlled by a wealthy elite. That's why its, well ... you know, the media.

So taking what every source has to offer cognizant of it's subjective bias is important, but if people form opinions and conclusions unconscious of their own biases we wind up with these paranoid fantasies about alien lizards pulling the puppet strings on governments that are secretly plotting and executing plans to poison and enslave their populations and deceiving the masses with propaganda to perpetuate endless war. 9/11 as an inside job is both the ultimate insult and ultimate absurdity and the ultimate emblem of this insanity.

I was there that day and saw the buses with people covered in gray ash. Whole institutions -- Cantor Fitz, Eurobrokers -- wiped out in a morning. This madness is beyond contempt, really.

The most interesting and effective of the whack-nut stories incorporate the truth quite artfully -- the fact is that the military industrial complex in the U.S., for example, has a vested interest in perpetual conflict, and the peeps that control the monetary system have a vested interest in perpetuating public debt. This is pretty much indisputable and obvious simply by the fact of what those systems are. But the more paranoid the conspiracy theorist, the more outlandish the tale.

I hear ya.

In all honesty it was first brought to my attention on the morning of Saturday the 27th of June, because one of my niece's best mates had heard the gunshots, as she was on holiday in a hotel across the street.
She's a tough little bird, though was genuinely shook by the events.

What is baffling to me of Andrew's position on the collapse of the global elite, is where his own family fits into it all. If he, as he tried to encourage me to believe with the link posted, is only a DNA sample away from the British Aristocracy then the collapse of the global elite, would also mean that the wealth that is supporting his family and their future would also be washed away.

My sincere advice to him if I ever turned up at his £1,000,000 London home, would be to take David Icke off speed dial immediately.

The safety of a computer monitor can be a real modern day castle.

A party named Ubuntu were offering themselves for election in my constituency in our General Election this year.  www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2014/12/ubuntu-party-uk-manifesto-uk-elections.html
They reminded me of him. 

[quinn]

Jul 8, 2015 13:53:44 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 8, 2015 5:16:47 GMT -5 laughter said:

What's interesting is that here we have an example, right here in this thread, of how overactive imaginations lead to the whacked-out conspiracy theories to begin with. You draw attention to the victims and the perpetrators of an attack, and because figandrew see what they want to see, they hypermind-up this image of you as an angry nationalist brainwashed by the mainstream media on the hunt for random culprits that serve the interest of the Illuminati.

If people can't read and watch the news with a critical eye it can upset them, I understand that. Obviously the media is biased. Obviously the media is owned and controlled by a wealthy elite. That's why its, well ... you know, the media.

So taking what every source has to offer cognizant of it's subjective bias is important, but if people form opinions and conclusions unconscious of their own biases we wind up with these paranoid fantasies about alien lizards pulling the puppet strings on governments that are secretly plotting and executing plans to poison and enslave their populations and deceiving the masses with propaganda to perpetuate endless war. 9/11 as an inside job is both the ultimate insult and ultimate absurdity and the ultimate emblem of this insanity.

I was there that day and saw the buses with people covered in gray ash. Whole institutions -- Cantor Fitz, Eurobrokers -- wiped out in a morning. This madness is beyond contempt, really.

The most interesting and effective of the whack-nut stories incorporate the truth quite artfully -- the fact is that the military industrial complex in the U.S., for example, has a vested interest in perpetual conflict, and the peeps that control the monetary system have a vested interest in perpetuating public debt. This is pretty much indisputable and obvious simply by the fact of what those systems are. But the more paranoid the conspiracy theorist, the more outlandish the tale.

I hear ya.

In all honesty it was first brought to my attention on the morning of Saturday the 27th of June, because one of my niece's best mates had heard the gunshots, as she was on holiday in a hotel across the street.
She's a tough little bird, though was genuinely shook by the events.

What is baffling to me of Andrew's position on the collapse of the global elite, is where his own family fits into it all. If he, as he tried to encourage me to believe with the link posted, is only a DNA sample away from the British Aristocracy then the collapse of the global elite, would also mean that the wealth that is supporting his family and their future would also be washed away.

My sincere advice to him if I ever turned up at his £1,000,000 London home, would be to take David Icke off speed dial immediately.

The safety of a computer monitor can be a real modern day castle.

A party named Ubuntu were offering themselves for election in my constituency in our General Election this year.  www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2014/12/ubuntu-party-uk-manifesto-uk-elections.html
They reminded me of him. 

The Ubuntu Party looks interesting. I've often thought that the system currently in place is so mammoth, so entrenched and so greed-based that it can't be salvaged - we'd have to start over. I have no problem with the philosophy of this party, but unless consciousness is changed, it will just create a different system with just as many problems.

Have you heard about communities creating their own currency? That looks interesting! Many in the US, UK and I saw one in Greece. usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm

[Deleted]

Jul 8, 2015 14:54:42 GMT -5 quinn said:

Jul 8, 2015 13:53:44 GMT -5 @wren said:

I hear ya.

The Ubuntu Party looks interesting. I've often thought that the system currently in place is so mammoth, so entrenched and so greed-based that it can't be salvaged - we'd have to start over. I have no problem with the philosophy of this party, but unless consciousness is changed, it will just create a different system with just as many problems.

Have you heard about communities creating their own currency? That looks interesting! Many in the US, UK and I saw one in Greece. usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm

I've heard it said recently that there is only 4% actual cash in the world. The rest of the 96% of the world's money, is 'just' computer data. So any opportunity for people to feel the real energy of notes is fine with me. 

[andrew]

Jul 8, 2015 13:53:44 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 8, 2015 5:16:47 GMT -5 laughter said:

What's interesting is that here we have an example, right here in this thread, of how overactive imaginations lead to the whacked-out conspiracy theories to begin with. You draw attention to the victims and the perpetrators of an attack, and because figandrew see what they want to see, they hypermind-up this image of you as an angry nationalist brainwashed by the mainstream media on the hunt for random culprits that serve the interest of the Illuminati.

If people can't read and watch the news with a critical eye it can upset them, I understand that. Obviously the media is biased. Obviously the media is owned and controlled by a wealthy elite. That's why its, well ... you know, the media.

So taking what every source has to offer cognizant of it's subjective bias is important, but if people form opinions and conclusions unconscious of their own biases we wind up with these paranoid fantasies about alien lizards pulling the puppet strings on governments that are secretly plotting and executing plans to poison and enslave their populations and deceiving the masses with propaganda to perpetuate endless war. 9/11 as an inside job is both the ultimate insult and ultimate absurdity and the ultimate emblem of this insanity.

I was there that day and saw the buses with people covered in gray ash. Whole institutions -- Cantor Fitz, Eurobrokers -- wiped out in a morning. This madness is beyond contempt, really.

The most interesting and effective of the whack-nut stories incorporate the truth quite artfully -- the fact is that the military industrial complex in the U.S., for example, has a vested interest in perpetual conflict, and the peeps that control the monetary system have a vested interest in perpetuating public debt. This is pretty much indisputable and obvious simply by the fact of what those systems are. But the more paranoid the conspiracy theorist, the more outlandish the tale.

I hear ya.

In all honesty it was first brought to my attention on the morning of Saturday the 27th of June, because one of my niece's best mates had heard the gunshots, as she was on holiday in a hotel across the street.
She's a tough little bird, though was genuinely shook by the events.

What is baffling to me of Andrew's position on the collapse of the global elite, is where his own family fits into it all. If he, as he tried to encourage me to believe with the link posted, is only a DNA sample away from the British Aristocracy then the collapse of the global elite, would also mean that the wealth that is supporting his family and their future would also be washed away.

My sincere advice to him if I ever turned up at his £1,000,000 London home, would be to take David Icke off speed dial immediately.

The safety of a computer monitor can be a real modern day castle.

A party named Ubuntu were offering themselves for election in my constituency in our General Election this year.  www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2014/12/ubuntu-party-uk-manifesto-uk-elections.html
They reminded me of him. 

That link to Harry was a joking response to what seemed at the time as if you had class issues. What links me to Harry is the colour of my hair, that's all. I don't own a house, doubt I ever will do. In fact everything my family owns fits into a car. I don't resonate with possessions or 'stuff'. We're travellers. Cosmic travellers

[quinn]

Jul 8, 2015 17:04:59 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 8, 2015 14:54:42 GMT -5 quinn said:

The Ubuntu Party looks interesting. I've often thought that the system currently in place is so mammoth, so entrenched and so greed-based that it can't be salvaged - we'd have to start over. I have no problem with the philosophy of this party, but unless consciousness is changed, it will just create a different system with just as many problems.

Have you heard about communities creating their own currency? That looks interesting! Many in the US, UK and I saw one in Greece. usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm

I've heard it said recently that there is only 4% actual cash in the world. The rest of the 96% of the world's money, is 'just' computer data. So any opportunity for people to feel the real energy of notes is fine with me. 

[figgles]

Jul 8, 2015 13:53:44 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 8, 2015 5:16:47 GMT -5 laughter said:

What's interesting is that here we have an example, right here in this thread, of how overactive imaginations lead to the whacked-out conspiracy theories to begin with. You draw attention to the victims and the perpetrators of an attack, and because figandrew see what they want to see, they hypermind-up this image of you as an angry nationalist brainwashed by the mainstream media on the hunt for random culprits that serve the interest of the Illuminati.

If people can't read and watch the news with a critical eye it can upset them, I understand that. Obviously the media is biased. Obviously the media is owned and controlled by a wealthy elite. That's why its, well ... you know, the media.

So taking what every source has to offer cognizant of it's subjective bias is important, but if people form opinions and conclusions unconscious of their own biases we wind up with these paranoid fantasies about alien lizards pulling the puppet strings on governments that are secretly plotting and executing plans to poison and enslave their populations and deceiving the masses with propaganda to perpetuate endless war. 9/11 as an inside job is both the ultimate insult and ultimate absurdity and the ultimate emblem of this insanity.

I was there that day and saw the buses with people covered in gray ash. Whole institutions -- Cantor Fitz, Eurobrokers -- wiped out in a morning. This madness is beyond contempt, really.

The most interesting and effective of the whack-nut stories incorporate the truth quite artfully -- the fact is that the military industrial complex in the U.S., for example, has a vested interest in perpetual conflict, and the peeps that control the monetary system have a vested interest in perpetuating public debt. This is pretty much indisputable and obvious simply by the fact of what those systems are. But the more paranoid the conspiracy theorist, the more outlandish the tale.

I hear ya.

In all honesty it was first brought to my attention on the morning of Saturday the 27th of June, because one of my niece's best mates had heard the gunshots, as she was on holiday in a hotel across the street.
She's a tough little bird, though was genuinely shook by the events.

What is baffling to me of Andrew's position on the collapse of the global elite, is where his own family fits into it all. If he, as he tried to encourage me to believe with the link posted, is only a DNA sample away from the British Aristocracy then the collapse of the global elite, would also mean that the wealth that is supporting his family and their future would also be washed away.

My sincere advice to him if I ever turned up at his £1,000,000 London home, would be to take David Icke off speed dial immediately.

The safety of a computer monitor can be a real modern day castle.

A party named Ubuntu were offering themselves for election in my constituency in our General Election this year.  www.ubuntuparty.org.za/2014/12/ubuntu-party-uk-manifesto-uk-elections.html
They reminded me of him. 

That's quite the story you've cooked up about Andrew.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jul 8, 2015 18:36:29 GMT -5 quinn said:

Jul 8, 2015 17:04:59 GMT -5 @wren said:

I've heard it said recently that there is only 4% actual cash in the world. The rest of the 96% of the world's money, is 'just' computer data. So any opportunity for people to feel the real energy of notes is fine with me. 

This is most probably true. When you take your money into the front door of a bank, it immediately goes out the back door as a loan. The whole banking system is based upon credit, a promise to pay back what was loaned. In 2008 we heard the term many times, Too big to fail. Very little has changed since then, as far as regulation is concerned. (Banks have to keep greater cash reserves now, meaning, less loans going out the back door). But there are now even more financial institutions too big to fail (too big to fail means the house of cards falls if they fail). IOW, the banking system is still a house of cards. An absolutely fascinating book on fragility, The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, one very smart dude.

[stardustpilgrim]

Jul 8, 2015 17:04:59 GMT -5 @wren said:

Jul 8, 2015 14:54:42 GMT -5 quinn said:

The Ubuntu Party looks interesting. I've often thought that the system currently in place is so mammoth, so entrenched and so greed-based that it can't be salvaged - we'd have to start over. I have no problem with the philosophy of this party, but unless consciousness is changed, it will just create a different system with just as many problems.

Have you heard about communities creating their own currency? That looks interesting! Many in the US, UK and I saw one in Greece. usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-04-05-scrip_N.htm

I've heard it said recently that there is only 4% actual cash in the world. The rest of the 96% of the world's money, is 'just' computer data. So any opportunity for people to feel the real energy of notes is fine with me. 

An article on how banks create money out of thin air.

positivemoney.org/how-money-works/advanced/how-commercial-banks-create-money/

OK, that was the UK, although I'm sure the USA works the same.

This one might be better.

www.yesmagazine.org/issues/the-new-economy/how-banks-make-money