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Post by AlphaA on Jun 21, 2015 12:38:12 GMT -5
As we develop our perception in this plane, we create a perception bounded by time and concept. That is to say, we cannot participate in reality without expressing an idea of space...as perception expands that void of space is occupied with unity. This simply means, one doesn't distinguish between, "you" and "me". Because that separation is pure delusion. Ultimately that's what the Buddha tried to express when he taught non-duality...he was trying to get the listener to understand his transcended perception. It's not enough to understand the mechanisms of being, we must become conscious and reconstruct ourselves.
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Post by jazz on Jun 22, 2015 1:29:48 GMT -5
As we develop our perception in this plane, we create a perception bounded by time and concept. That is to say, we cannot participate in reality without expressing an idea of space...as perception expands that void of space is occupied with unity. This simply means, one doesn't distinguish between, "you" and "me". Because that separation is pure delusion. Ultimately that's what the Buddha tried to express when he taught non-duality...he was trying to get the listener to understand his transcended perception. It's not enough to understand the mechanisms of being, we must become conscious and reconstruct ourselves. Hi AlphaA, How does all that relate to a 5th dimension? At which dimension is perception now? |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 22, 2015 6:52:35 GMT -5
As we develop our perception in this plane, we create a perception bounded by time and concept. That is to say, we cannot participate in reality without expressing an idea of space...as perception expands that void of space is occupied with unity. This simply means, one doesn't distinguish between, "you" and "me". Because that separation is pure delusion. Ultimately that's what the Buddha tried to express when he taught non-duality...he was trying to get the listener to understand his transcended perception. It's not enough to understand the mechanisms of being, we must become conscious and reconstruct ourselves. Hi AlphaA, How does all that relate to a 5th dimension? At which dimension is perception now? |
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Post by Peter on Jun 22, 2015 7:24:33 GMT -5
Hi Alpha My take our our current experience is that perception is entirely limited to 3 dimensions. What might seem to be perception in the 4th seems - to me - more like memory of the past or imagination of the future, but in the current moment. Is it ever possible to say - such and such an experience is a true perception of some other thing and not just imagination? My imaginings about the 5th Dimension, and I hold my hand up to having read far too much science fiction, is that it would constitute movement through all possible universes. All that can possibly be. But you know, I don't suppose dimensions come with indexes so your 5th might be my 6th. It's just convention that we call the first 3 space and the 4th one "time". Are you pulling your understanding from any particular tradition or literature? I wondered if you'd come across the idea of 5th Density - coming from the channellings of Ra / Law of One (well, lets not say it started there, I wager that material pulled from the esoteric cosmology theory of 'planes'). Oh, I see Carla Rueckert died a couple of months ago, 1st of April. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_dimensionshyperdimensions07.htm |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 22, 2015 9:08:51 GMT -5
Hi Alpha My take our our current experience is that perception is entirely limited to 3 dimensions. What might seem to be perception in the 4th seems - to me - more like memory of the past or imagination of the future, but in the current moment. Is it ever possible to say - such and such an experience is a true perception of some other thing and not just imagination? My imaginings about the 5th Dimension, and I hold my hand up to having read far too much science fiction, is that it would constitute movement through all possible universes. All that can possibly be. But you know, I don't suppose dimensions come with indexes so your 5th might be my 6th. It's just convention that we call the first 3 space and the 4th one "time". Are you pulling your understanding from any particular tradition or literature? I wondered if you'd come across the idea of 5th Density - coming from the channellings of Ra / Law of One (well, lets not say it started there, I wager that material pulled from the esoteric cosmology theory of 'planes'). Oh, I see Carla Rueckert died a couple of months ago, 1st of April. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_dimensionshyperdimensions07.htm
You said, "Is it ever possible to say - such and such an experience is a true perception of some other thing and not just imagination?"..We have to understand that perception is formless, like play dough; it takes the form of the individual. So essentially perception doesn't actually define anything other than what're observing, it serves you and you alone. It seems you haven't awakened to the truth that consciousness is omnipresent. To put it better, even the Idea of the "current moment," is an manifestation of conscious mind....so that's what I meant when I responded to Jazz by saying, consciousness is at the center of all realms and planes. It's like you and I having a conversation in the car while listening to music; while we are aware that it's a sunny beautiful day our attention is totally fixed on our words of communication. Until of course, we shift out attention and remind ourselves of the sunny day. Lol......My understanding comes from my mental practices. I've been practicing |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 22, 2015 9:13:13 GMT -5
Hi Alpha My take our our current experience is that perception is entirely limited to 3 dimensions. What might seem to be perception in the 4th seems - to me - more like memory of the past or imagination of the future, but in the current moment. Is it ever possible to say - such and such an experience is a true perception of some other thing and not just imagination? My imaginings about the 5th Dimension, and I hold my hand up to having read far too much science fiction, is that it would constitute movement through all possible universes. All that can possibly be. But you know, I don't suppose dimensions come with indexes so your 5th might be my 6th. It's just convention that we call the first 3 space and the 4th one "time". Are you pulling your understanding from any particular tradition or literature? I wondered if you'd come across the idea of 5th Density - coming from the channellings of Ra / Law of One (well, lets not say it started there, I wager that material pulled from the esoteric cosmology theory of 'planes'). Oh, I see Carla Rueckert died a couple of months ago, 1st of April. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_dimensionshyperdimensions07.htm |
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Post by Peter on Jun 22, 2015 10:04:05 GMT -5
Interesting. Is the essence of that art captured anywhere other than everywhere? I had a friend staying this weekend who had a phrase "Can I love myself enough to...." which basically seemed like giving herself permission to do whatever she wanted - having her cake and eating it. For me, one of the essential elements of the Spiritual Life is the balance between denying yourself nothing and denying yourself everything. The Buddha had an analogy about tuning a lute that spoke to the same question. Sorry that's probably totally off topic to what you're saying, it just came strongly to mind when you said Self Love. It seems you haven't awakened to the truth that consciousness is omnipresent. Well I've described myself as a panentheist, so while I might say I'm signed up to the Truth of it, I can't say that I have a day to day experience of it. My consciousness doesn't extend very far outside of this sack of skin I'm currently sitting in. And while I might imagine that it's unbound in time, space and higher dimensions, I couldn't reliably tell you how many fingers you're currently holding up. If you can consciously perceive how many I'm holding up er...now...., I'll ask you to take me on as a student. P |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 22, 2015 10:37:00 GMT -5
Interesting. Is the essence of that art captured anywhere other than everywhere? I had a friend staying this weekend who had a phrase "Can I love myself enough to...." which basically seemed like giving herself permission to do whatever she wanted - having her cake and eating it. For me, one of the essential elements of the Spiritual Life is the balance between denying yourself nothing and denying yourself everything. The Buddha had an analogy about tuning a lute that spoke to the same question. Sorry that's probably totally off topic to what you're saying, it just came strongly to mind when you said Self Love. It seems you haven't awakened to the truth that consciousness is omnipresent. Well I've described myself as a panentheist, so while I might say I'm signed up to the Truth of it, I can't say that I have a day to day experience of it. My consciousness doesn't extend very far outside of this sack of skin I'm currently sitting in. And while I might imagine that it's unbound in time, space and higher dimensions, I couldn't reliably tell you how many fingers you're currently holding up. If you can consciously perceive how many I'm holding up er...now...., I'll ask you to take me on as a student. P |
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Post by Peter on Jun 23, 2015 4:18:27 GMT -5
There nothing I don't understand about it Ok cool. Douglas Adams comes to mind: Well since I have Your attention right now, I have some questions, if I may: 1. Are human beings influenced by entities currently undetectable to main stream science, if so what entities and for what purpose (top 3 say)? 2. Do we have souls, and if so what is their nature, and relationship to the bodies they're linked to? I'm getting at "Soul Purpose" here, and discounting pre-adamic man if that's relevant to the question. Actually, that covers it. I'm fine with the rest of it. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 23, 2015 8:44:41 GMT -5
Interesting. Is the essence of that art captured anywhere other than everywhere? I had a friend staying this weekend who had a phrase "Can I love myself enough to...." which basically seemed like giving herself permission to do whatever she wanted - having her cake and eating it. For me, one of the essential elements of the Spiritual Life is the balance between denying yourself nothing and denying yourself everything. The Buddha had an analogy about tuning a lute that spoke to the same question. Sorry that's probably totally off topic to what you're saying, it just came strongly to mind when you said Self Love. Well I've described myself as a panentheist, so while I might say I'm signed up to the Truth of it, I can't say that I have a day to day experience of it. My consciousness doesn't extend very far outside of this sack of skin I'm currently sitting in. And while I might imagine that it's unbound in time, space and higher dimensions, I couldn't reliably tell you how many fingers you're currently holding up. If you can consciously perceive how many I'm holding up er...now...., I'll ask you to take me on as a student. P Hey AlphaA, that's a pretty awesome statement, in terms of life and existence there is nothing I don't understand. What transferred from your great grandfather to you which brought this (understanding) about? Can this be transferred to another? How? Why do you say we can't meet personally? |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 23, 2015 9:34:51 GMT -5
There nothing I don't understand about it Ok cool. Douglas Adams comes to mind: Well since I have Your attention right now, I have some questions, if I may: 1. Are human beings influenced by entities currently undetectable to main stream science, if so what entities and for what purpose (top 3 say)? 2. Do we have souls, and if so what is their nature, and relationship to the bodies they're linked to? I'm getting at "Soul Purpose" here, and discounting pre-adamic man if that's relevant to the question. Actually, that covers it. I'm fine with the rest of it.
As we are currently in the 3rd plane, our conscious activities, (intentions), cannot surpass the limitations of the domain...Yes there's 4-12th dimensional beings that watch our daily duties. I say our intentions are limited in this plane, because that's the ONLY gap between the conscious self of our plane and their plane...(though only the 4th dimensional beings are the ones who really watch us.) So, do you see how your question of, "For what purpose," is irrelevant because you have not yet grasp that consciousness is the all!?.....Of course we have souls!..but how one experiences their soul is where the big dilemma manifests. The nature of the soul, will always be about the Self. That intimate part of "YOU" that only "YOU" know......For me, if you will, my soul experience is interpreted by the way I present myself to others. For example, I consciously try, no matter who I may come across, to be as genuine as I can...For the PURPOSE of experiencing myself, (soul), as genuine.... |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 23, 2015 9:48:49 GMT -5
That was an impressive way to defend your self-honor. Lol. Having such abilities as to guess the fingers you're hold up, are forms of magic and manipulation...so that's not my craft. But what I can assure you is my grade of comprehension, in terms of life and existence. There nothing I don't understand about it, and the current level of others are quite accurately clear to me, without biased concepts ofcourse. Hey AlphaA, that's a pretty awesome statement, in terms of life and existence there is nothing I don't understand. What transferred from your great grandfather to you which brought this (understanding) about? Can this be transferred to another? How? Why do you say we can't meet personally?
My grandfather was a follower of a guru from India...I never really knew any more details about it. But, he taught me that the way to "RAW" knowledge was through the conscious self. He said, "If you can become established well within the part of you that no one knows, then there's no more questions about life." He then taught me a technique, that he said will allow me to expand my comprehension of self. If you know what tai chi is, it's similar but not like it at all. The technique is about becoming established in what is gentle...moving gently and consciously focusing on that gentle aspect.....I'm glad you asked about that part of my profile. When I wrote, "I would love to talk to you in person, but I understand why that can't be." It's a hidden truth in plain sight...I would love to talk to you in person; refers to the delusion that you and I exist as separate entities. I wanna know who you are, but I understand why that cant be; referring to the notion that I know our existence is illusion in terms of permanence. Hope that makes sense to you..lol |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 23, 2015 9:54:55 GMT -5
Ok cool. Douglas Adams comes to mind: Well since I have Your attention right now, I have some questions, if I may: 1. Are human beings influenced by entities currently undetectable to main stream science, if so what entities and for what purpose (top 3 say)? 2. Do we have souls, and if so what is their nature, and relationship to the bodies they're linked to? I'm getting at "Soul Purpose" here, and discounting pre-adamic man if that's relevant to the question. Actually, that covers it. I'm fine with the rest of it.
As we are currently in the 3rd plane, our conscious activities, (intentions), cannot surpass the limitations of the domain...Yes there's 4-12th dimensional beings that watch our daily duties. I say our intentions are limited in this plane, because that's the ONLY gap between the conscious self of our plane and their plane...(though only the 4th dimensional beings are the ones who really watch us.) So, do you see how your question of, "For what purpose," is irrelevant because you have not yet grasp that consciousness is the all!?.....Of course we have souls!..but how one experiences their soul is where the big dilemma manifests. The nature of the soul, will always be about the Self. That intimate part of "YOU" that only "YOU" know......For me, if you will, my soul experience is interpreted by the way I present myself to others. For example, I consciously try, no matter who I may come across, to be as genuine as I can...For the PURPOSE of experiencing myself, (soul), as genuine.... What would life be like if you didn't have to consciously try to be as genuine as you can? |
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 23, 2015 10:09:37 GMT -5
As we are currently in the 3rd plane, our conscious activities, (intentions), cannot surpass the limitations of the domain...Yes there's 4-12th dimensional beings that watch our daily duties. I say our intentions are limited in this plane, because that's the ONLY gap between the conscious self of our plane and their plane...(though only the 4th dimensional beings are the ones who really watch us.) So, do you see how your question of, "For what purpose," is irrelevant because you have not yet grasp that consciousness is the all!?.....Of course we have souls!..but how one experiences their soul is where the big dilemma manifests. The nature of the soul, will always be about the Self. That intimate part of "YOU" that only "YOU" know......For me, if you will, my soul experience is interpreted by the way I present myself to others. For example, I consciously try, no matter who I may come across, to be as genuine as I can...For the PURPOSE of experiencing myself, (soul), as genuine.... What would life be like if you didn't have to consciously try to be as genuine as you can? |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 23, 2015 11:19:52 GMT -5
What would life be like if you didn't have to consciously try to be as genuine as you can? In general or more specifically. I'm just curious about what you mean by "trying to be as genuine as possible." |
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