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Post by Reefs on May 24, 2015 10:10:43 GMT -5
So, i just returned from a nice walk on the traintracks. So it's been a week and i haven't gone for a nice long zen walk on the traintracks Will read and respond next time, as i am also about to head off to the traintracks for some zen time |
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Post by zendancer on Jun 7, 2015 20:51:59 GMT -5
Sorry, but that answer would never fly (pun intended) with folks who are into these kinds of riddles. The answer is of an entirely different order. There are several variations of this question, and all of them are "answered" in the same way. I don't pretend to know the answers to ALL of the formal koans, but I've "answered" a large number of them, and the answers must come from the body rather than the intellect. If an answer can be figured out intellectually, you can be pretty sure that there is a deeper and less immediately-obvious answer that can be attained through contemplation.
The most common form of this koan is "How can a wounded bird fly THIS MOMENT?" Not later; now!
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Post by jazz on Jun 7, 2015 21:01:34 GMT -5
It stops trying
Lets go
Goes with "the flow".
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Post by jazz on Jun 7, 2015 21:37:39 GMT -5
Is it on the ground?
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Post by zendancer on Jun 8, 2015 2:03:34 GMT -5
Sorry, but that answer would never fly (pun intended) with folks who are into these kinds of riddles. The answer is of an entirely different order. There are several variations of this question, and all of them are "answered" in the same way. I don't pretend to know the answers to ALL of the formal koans, but I've "answered" a large number of them, and the answers must come from the body rather than the intellect. If an answer can be figured out intellectually, you can be pretty sure that there is a deeper and less immediately-obvious answer that can be attained through contemplation. The most common form of this koan is "How can a wounded bird fly THIS MOMENT?" Not later; now! I think the huge amount of advanced knowledge you possess has made you retarded, zendancer. My question is not a koan, nor am i impressed with how many you have answered. The question is a spiritual one, one that looks at an outer real world situation and relates it to the inner realm of the self. I never expected anyone here encased in a dogmatic Advaita mindset to be able to observe existence in such a simple manner. There is a real bird, it is wounded and therefore can't fly. It can no longer live as it wants to, flying around freely as it naturally capable of. The simple solution is for the bird to heal it's wound, then it can once again fly. Any precepts of Advaita are of no use in solving this real world problem. I'd say the bird, once it has healed itself, would not give a dingo's kidney about your opinion of the solution. It has been my experience that many Advaitaists, the self proclaimed Self Realized people, are snobs, looking down their noses at anything that does not align with Advaita doctrine. You were the one who posed the riddle about a bird, not me, and one doesn't have to be an Advaitist to solve a riddle. My grandfather loved riddles, and he never knew a thing about Advaita. The reason no one responded to your riddle until you were forced to answer it yourself is that your motive for posting it was transparent. As for being called retarded, I accept your judgment with great honor. I'm sure that you are far more intellectually brilliant than I am. You have my best wishes for a joyful and peaceful life. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 8:08:26 GMT -5
Sorry, but that answer would never fly (pun intended) with folks who are into these kinds of riddles. The answer is of an entirely different order. There are several variations of this question, and all of them are "answered" in the same way. I don't pretend to know the answers to ALL of the formal koans, but I've "answered" a large number of them, and the answers must come from the body rather than the intellect. If an answer can be figured out intellectually, you can be pretty sure that there is a deeper and less immediately-obvious answer that can be attained through contemplation. The most common form of this koan is "How can a wounded bird fly THIS MOMENT?" Not later; now! I think the huge amount of advanced knowledge you possess has made you retarded, zendancer. My question is not a koan, nor am i impressed with how many you have answered. The question is a spiritual one, one that looks at an outer real world situation and relates it to the inner realm of the self. I never expected anyone here encased in a dogmatic Advaita mindset to be able to observe existence in such a simple manner. There is a real bird, it is wounded and therefore can't fly. It can no longer live as it wants to, flying around freely as it naturally capable of. The simple solution is for the bird to heal it's wound, then it can once again fly. Any precepts of Advaita are of no use in solving this real world problem. I'd say the bird, once it has healed itself, would not give a dingo's kidney about your opinion of the solution. It has been my experience that many Advaitaists, the self proclaimed Self Realized people, are snobs, looking down their noses at anything that does not align with Advaita doctrine. BTW, I still think you're a troll. Just in case that wasn't clear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 11:37:44 GMT -5
Sorry, but that answer would never fly (pun intended) with folks who are into these kinds of riddles. The answer is of an entirely different order. There are several variations of this question, and all of them are "answered" in the same way. I don't pretend to know the answers to ALL of the formal koans, but I've "answered" a large number of them, and the answers must come from the body rather than the intellect. If an answer can be figured out intellectually, you can be pretty sure that there is a deeper and less immediately-obvious answer that can be attained through contemplation. The most common form of this koan is "How can a wounded bird fly THIS MOMENT?" Not later; now! I think the huge amount of advanced knowledge you possess has made you retarded, zendancer. My question is not a koan, nor am i impressed with how many you have answered. The question is a spiritual one, one that looks at an outer real world situation and relates it to the inner realm of the self. I never expected anyone here encased in a dogmatic Advaita mindset to be able to observe existence in such a simple manner. There is a real bird, it is wounded and therefore can't fly. It can no longer live as it wants to, flying around freely as it naturally capable of. The simple solution is for the bird to heal it's wound, then it can once again fly. Any precepts of Advaita are of no use in solving this real world problem. I'd say the bird, once it has healed itself, would not give a dingo's kidney about your opinion of the solution. It has been my experience that many Advaitaists, the self proclaimed Self Realized people, are snobs, looking down their noses at anything that does not align with Advaita doctrine. jay, your post was reported, and I agree that your post crosses the line of acceptable discourse going forward please use a more civil tone. thanks |
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Post by Peter on Jun 13, 2015 4:22:14 GMT -5
** Mimes throwing a wounded bird **
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Post by earnest on Jun 13, 2015 5:14:39 GMT -5
** Mimes throwing a wounded bird ** I posted mine to the US about a week and a half ago... |
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Post by jazz on Jun 21, 2015 16:19:02 GMT -5
A wounded bird can't fly. A wounded bird now healed, which means technically it's not wounded anymore, can. That's pretty simple  |
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