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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:28:57 GMT -5
A paradox can't be resolved by definition. It can explained (by showing the two contexts), but not resolved. There is also a context in which there is no paradox, so nothing has to be resolved. There is a paradox, and there is no paradox. The explanations by mind are false comfort, but there is a state of clarity where existential paradox is seen for what it is. To reach this state, the intellect and emotions must be set aside. This is why some peeps recommend meditation. How do you NOT see what paradox is? It doesn't take any meditation to understand or see that. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that there is a pardox and there is no paradox. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that an idea can be both true and false. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:29:37 GMT -5
It's not silliness. In my model, every idea can be both true and false. Unless they can't. Yes, let's do this!  .. I hope sasquatch is reading along still.  Is it true that the Moon is made of cream cheese?  The moon is definitely, 100 per cent, not made of cream cheese. Unless it is. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:30:32 GMT -5
The explanations by mind are false comfort, but there is a state of clarity where existential paradox is seen for what it is. To reach this state, the intellect and emotions must be set aside. This is why some peeps recommend meditation. How do you NOT see what paradox is? It doesn't take any meditation to understand or see that. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that there is a pardox and there is no paradox. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that an idea can be both true and false. No, I'm not referring to calming the body/mind to get comfortable with paradox, I'm referring to a realization that results in clarity about it. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:31:27 GMT -5
Yes, let's do this! .. I hope sasquatch is reading along still. Is it true that the Moon is made of cream cheese? The moon is definitely, 100 per cent, not made of cream cheese. Unless it is.  do you exist? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:31:57 GMT -5
Yes there is a context in which it is impossible for anyone or anything, to be, or make, a mistake/error. Well, we kinda' sorta' almost agree on that wording but it's just you morphing away from some of the more uncomfortable implications of your initial position from a few days back now. It hasnt changed, maybe you understand it better. Charles, Adolf and Eckhart are still equally free from mistake, error and wrongness in the absolute context. They are equally sacred, perfect, divine and innocent in that context. Nothing has changed. Relatively, I am more than happy to speak about mistake and imperfection. And again, for me this is literal, it's not poetic. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:32:28 GMT -5
How do you NOT see what paradox is? It doesn't take any meditation to understand or see that. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that there is a pardox and there is no paradox. It might take meditation to be okay with the fact that an idea can be both true and false. No, I'm not referring to calming the body/mind to get comfortable with paradox, I'm referring to a realization that results in clarity about it. Well, I'm quite clear thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 7:33:12 GMT -5
Where did you get this idea? It's a contemporary rational interpretation of the scripture in terms of evolution and deep history that doesn't lay the responsibility for creation on "God's" shoulders or take the story of Eden literally. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:33:33 GMT -5
The moon is definitely, 100 per cent, not made of cream cheese. Unless it is. do you exist? Is it true that I exist? Yes. Unless it isn't. There's no idea that has no counterpart. Unless there is. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:33:43 GMT -5
Well, we kinda' sorta' almost agree on that wording but it's just you morphing away from some of the more uncomfortable implications of your initial position from a few days back now. It hasnt changed, maybe you understand it better. Charles, Adolf and Eckhart are still equally free from mistake, error and wrongness in the absolute context. They are equally sacred, perfect, divine and innocent in that context. Nothing has changed. Relatively, I am more than happy to speak about mistake and imperfection. And again, for me this is literal, it's not poetic. Now you're just talking in circles. Nothing I'd reply with hasn't been beaten to death already over this past week. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:35:09 GMT -5
No, I'm not referring to calming the body/mind to get comfortable with paradox, I'm referring to a realization that results in clarity about it. Well, I'm quite clear thanks. That you're expressing the paradox of the innocent genocidal murderer as a literal conceptual understanding of mind suggests that existentially speaking, you are quite confused.  |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:35:14 GMT -5
It hasnt changed, maybe you understand it better. Charles, Adolf and Eckhart are still equally free from mistake, error and wrongness in the absolute context. They are equally sacred, perfect, divine and innocent in that context. Nothing has changed. Relatively, I am more than happy to speak about mistake and imperfection. And again, for me this is literal, it's not poetic. Now you're just talking in circles. Nothing I'd reply with hasn't been beaten to death already over this past week. I agree that this is getting repetitive. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:36:11 GMT -5
Well, I'm quite clear thanks. That you're expressing the paradox of the innocent genocidal murderer as a literal conceptual understanding of mind suggests that existentially speaking, you are quite confused. My understandings and definitions are clear. However, what you said there, made little sense to me. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:37:11 GMT -5
do you exist? Is it true that I exist? Yes. Unless it isn't. There's no idea that has no counterpart. Unless there is.  is it true that you've logged into this forum within the last few hours?  |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2016 7:38:25 GMT -5
Is it true that I exist? Yes. Unless it isn't. There's no idea that has no counterpart. Unless there is. is it true that you've logged into this forum within the last few hours? It is an absolute objective 100 per cent fact that I logged in a few hours ago. Unless it isn't You really want to keep giving examples? |
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Post by laughter on Sept 23, 2016 7:38:39 GMT -5
That you're expressing the paradox of the innocent genocidal murderer as a literal conceptual understanding of mind suggests that existentially speaking, you are quite confused. My understandings and definitions are clear. However, what you said there, made little sense to me. It's what you said in your own words: Charles, Adolf and Eckhart are still equally free from mistake, error and wrongness in the absolute context. They are equally sacred, perfect, divine and innocent in that context. Nothing has changed. Relatively, I am more than happy to speak about mistake and imperfection. And again, for me this is literal, it's not poetic. |
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.. I hope sasquatch is reading along still. 
