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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:14:56 GMT -5
Yes, no physical body, no brain, no eye. Everything is appearing. Assume what happen when you watch a movie, Isn't it just a image? The person who is coming in the movie is just a image,right? How come that image can have brain? Every image has attribute, and that's where it gets interesting because the story of attributes don't begin and end easily. A person usually has arms, legs, torso and lungs which breathe air. An image or appearance without an attribute is not an image or appearance. yes, your arm appears, your leg appears. Appear to whom? Appear to you. You are later interpret that as leg exist in itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:15:36 GMT -5
Yes, everything exist only in appearance, If you see the brain of the person, then brain is appearing. But there is no brain in itself. But how would you know it is a brain if it has no attributes....if there is no tissue etc Your knowledge that it is a brain is connected to the infinite web of knowledge....it all weaves together. So the knowledge of the brain is connected to knowledge of the body is connected to knowledge of the planet. Without the web of knowledge there is no knowing that what you are looking at is a brain. I never said that. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:36:26 GMT -5
So your understanding of an appearance is different to gopal's. Gopal's appearances are not allowed to have attributes, so a body has no brain and sensory organs, a car has no engine or wheels. A house would have no kitchen, or lounge, or stairs. You are different I think, you basically say the world that we know is an appearance.That's what I am saying too. No you're not though. In the world we know, a car has, and is defined by, its wheels, steering wheel, trunk etc. The body we know is defined by its arms, legs, eyes, brain etc. In addition to this, when we know something, it is defined by what we know of everything else. So, when we see a car, it is not only defined by what we know about cars, but also what we know about everything else. When a car is perceived, all of our knowledge comes into play. So there is never just a single image, a single image contains our whole universe. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:37:53 GMT -5
Conversations weave, but my point remains unchanged....relatively the eyes are involved with perception. I am sure that was satchs point too. If gopal had said, yes that is true relatively but absolutely that is not the case......then there would likely have been no follow up. What's happening is what I am talking about. The way it appears need to be the truth. It may appear like you are looking through eye, but what's happening is, you are directly looking. Absolutely you may be right. That doesn't change the validity of the relative truth, nor the validity of the experience. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:40:50 GMT -5
Is your rock made of something? For example, could it be granite? What do you mean when you see yourself in the mirror? you are appearing there,right? That image is made of what? body and blood? The body has blood, skin and bone....the mirror reflection is...a reflection. A rock by definition is made of something, and you know it is a rock and not a tree because of your knowledge of rocks and trees. No image stands alone,and there is no single and separate piece of knowledge. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:43:17 GMT -5
That's funny. Does the car have doors? Does it have a trunk? Does it have windows? An appearance that has nothing is not an appearance! Whatever you see is an appearance. When you see a car door, door is appearing. When you see a car, what do you see if not the windows , door, trunk etc. Every single perception contains all of our knowledge....so when you know that a body doesn't just have legs and arms and face, it also has heart, lungs and brains. I don't think your understand the relationship between perception and knowledge/meaning. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:48:12 GMT -5
Every image has attribute, and that's where it gets interesting because the story of attributes don't begin and end easily. A person usually has arms, legs, torso and lungs which breathe air. An image or appearance without an attribute is not an image or appearance. yes, your arm appears, your leg appears. Appear to whom? Appear to you. You are later interpret that as leg exist in itself. When you see a leg (did a shark bite it off or something?), you know it is a leg because it has leg properties and attributes. Every image you see has properties and attributes I.e it is meaningful to you. Meaning is a complex web (infinite in its potential). So when you see a leg you are tapping into all your knowledge. Animals do the same..all experience is meaningful. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:49:45 GMT -5
That's what I am saying too. No you're not though. In the world we know, a car has, and is defined by, its wheels, steering wheel, trunk etc. The body we know is defined by its arms, legs, eyes, brain etc. In addition to this, when we know something, it is defined by what we know of everything else. So, when we see a car, it is not only defined by what we know about cars, but also what we know about everything else. When a car is perceived, all of our knowledge comes into play. So there is never just a single image, a single image contains our whole universe. When you see yourself in mirror, you are seeing your own image, That image has brain,leg and hands? |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:51:15 GMT -5
But how would you know it is a brain if it has no attributes....if there is no tissue etc Your knowledge that it is a brain is connected to the infinite web of knowledge....it all weaves together. So the knowledge of the brain is connected to knowledge of the body is connected to knowledge of the planet. Without the web of knowledge there is no knowing that what you are looking at is a brain. I never said that. I know. I am saying that you know a brain is a brain, and this knowledge is connected to all of your other knowledge. The totality of your knowledge goes into a single perception and in every moment we are expanding out knowledge base with new experiences. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:51:17 GMT -5
What's happening is what I am talking about. The way it appears need to be the truth. It may appear like you are looking through eye, but what's happening is, you are directly looking. Absolutely you may be right. That doesn't change the validity of the relative truth, nor the validity of the experience. Ofcourse experience happen as if I am looking at a person named Andrew. But we are not talking about that, we are talking how we are perceiving the world, What's true? Is it true that we are perceiving the world through our eye or Is it true that we are directly perceiving the world? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:52:49 GMT -5
What do you mean when you see yourself in the mirror? you are appearing there,right? That image is made of what? body and blood? The body has blood, skin and bone....the mirror reflection is...a reflection. A rock by definition is made of something, and you know it is a rock and not a tree because of your knowledge of rocks and trees. No image stands alone,and there is no single and separate piece of knowledge. So reflection doesn't have anything inside, right? I am equating this reflection to our appearance. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:52:52 GMT -5
No you're not though. In the world we know, a car has, and is defined by, its wheels, steering wheel, trunk etc. The body we know is defined by its arms, legs, eyes, brain etc. In addition to this, when we know something, it is defined by what we know of everything else. So, when we see a car, it is not only defined by what we know about cars, but also what we know about everything else. When a car is perceived, all of our knowledge comes into play. So there is never just a single image, a single image contains our whole universe. When you see yourself in mirror, you are seeing your own image, That image has brain,leg and hands? No, the image in the mirror is known to be a reflection, so the properties it has differ from our actual body. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 17, 2016 4:53:55 GMT -5
Absolutely you may be right. That doesn't change the validity of the relative truth, nor the validity of the experience. Ofcourse experience happen as if I am looking at a person named Andrew. But we are not talking about that, we are talking how we are perceiving the world, What's true? Is it true that we are perceiving the world through our eye or Is it true that we are directly perceiving the world? Both are true. One is absolutely true, one is relatively true. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:54:58 GMT -5
When you see yourself in mirror, you are seeing your own image, That image has brain,leg and hands? No, the image in the mirror is known to be a reflection, so the properties it has differ from our actual body. But mirror image has the brain inside? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 4:55:38 GMT -5
Ofcourse experience happen as if I am looking at a person named Andrew. But we are not talking about that, we are talking how we are perceiving the world, What's true? Is it true that we are perceiving the world through our eye or Is it true that we are directly perceiving the world? Both are true. One is absolutely true, one is relatively true. Either you are perceiving the world through your eye Or you are directly perceiving the world, both can't be true. |
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