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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:47:20 GMT -5
He DOES deny the existence of body. He say everything is appearing, Was it not clear to you that he was denying existence of body? because I've been talking to him since 2009/2010 and I know there have been hundreds of conversations that require him to speak in the context of assuming there is a body-mind that interacts and relates to other body-minds, and the world in general. I've talked to him many times about the difference between human adults, babies and children. Every one of these conversations is speaking in the context of assuming a bodymind that interacts and relates to the world. You don't believe animals suffer, but humans do, right? Do the animals that you speak of have a brain and body?Somebody else has to explain this subject to you. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2016 9:48:08 GMT -5
Fast and loose? Haven't heard that one before. Is that just a new strategy of self denial? Google it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:49:02 GMT -5
How can appearance have human body? Let's say in your nightly dreams, you dream about Andrew..is there a physical body that pertains to 'Andrew' in the dream? In nightly dream, everything appears, Everybody knows this, but you say to me that you are perceiving through your physical eye in your nightly dream, Said that, what can I say to you? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:53:21 GMT -5
Yeah, but right now, I am completely tired of repeating the same thing again and again. ..but you'll carry on. What to do! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:54:50 GMT -5
There are no humans in gopal's model. Humans have bodies. Spirit having a human experience doesn't mean that there really are humans. Exactly, that's the more appropriate line. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 9:57:40 GMT -5
Excellent question.I think we would all agree Consciousness (big C) doesn't suffer. Yet suffering exists. This has to be accounted for. Is suffering merely an appearance? (Does that mean illusion?) Consciousness is suffering, who else can suffer? Who else exist? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 16, 2016 9:59:44 GMT -5
Well, if you believe the claims of breatharians, they don't eat. I say laws that are not fixed are not laws at all, but more like consensus. Gravity is very handy, to say the least, and everybody agrees that having to sit in a chair is a small price to pay. It's a bit shortsighted to refer to what happens and call it a law that governs us. I basically agree with the consensus idea, though is it a law that we create and abide by consensus agreements, or is it a consensus that we create and abide by consensus agreements? :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:00:16 GMT -5
Where am I assuming? I am consciousness and I am perceiving everything, It happens both in my dream and in my reality. Aren't I? Yes. But you are making everything in-between a black box, it's not, we know a lot about in-between (but not nearly everything). No more assumptions please. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:02:46 GMT -5
There is no switching the mode here. We are always been creator no matter whether we are realizing it or not. But Only when we know, that would inform you that you are not only perceiver but you are also a creator. Inform who? Consciousness or the appearance? and when you say 'only when we know' are you talking about Consciousness or appearance? Consciousness. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:03:25 GMT -5
My body appearance is named as Gopal, yours is named as Andrew. Okay, thank you. And this body appearance appears to have legs, arms and skin right? Your legs,arms,skin are also appearing. Everything appears. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:04:05 GMT -5
Fast and loose? Haven't heard that one before. Is that just a new strategy of self denial? Google it.  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2016 10:04:55 GMT -5
Yes, I think it matters a lot too, for some very practical reasons, and also as part of the spiritual search that involves seeing through illusions. Practical reasons? So knowing if the world is appearance or not is necessary in order to enter creator mode? Why is it that sometimes you respond to gopal's nonsense by saying it's nonsense and then on other occasions like this you respond to nonsense by saying "it matters a lot too". There is no spiritual search that entails seeing through illusions. The only illusion that is "seen through" is the illusion of separation and that happens at the end of the so called search when the non dual and the dual are seen to be not different. Seeing the the world is not objective, and is appearing in Consciousness IS seeing through the illusion of separation. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2016 10:10:34 GMT -5
Do you detect any subtle difference between "doesn't matter" and "matters a lot"? He has a reading disability. Honestly, it looks more like a thinking disability, like he goes unconscious. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 16, 2016 10:18:38 GMT -5
Yes, I think it matters a lot too, for some very practical reasons, and also as part of the spiritual search that involves seeing through illusions. Yes It matters a lot. I am giving the logical reason of why outer world doesn't exist to pilgrims, but in truth, I know it doesn't exist because universe is self-organizing. yes exactly, Once we know Consciousness creates, we can know that seeing through illusion has the power to collapses the illusion as well. I don't think anybody else knows this truth here(Seeing through the illusion collapses the illusion), Do you think anybody else knows this truth from this forum? Sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 10:19:21 GMT -5
He has a reading disability. Honestly, it looks more like a thinking disability, like he goes unconscious. Yes, that's why many problem comes up with him. |
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