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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:10:37 GMT -5
If everyone exist, then they can know, But I can't know whether others exist or not. I repeated this many times, but still i haven't touched infinite times, most probably I would touch infinite times I guess. butt don't you see by admitting that everyone can know of their own existence is admitting that you can know that everyone can know of their existence .. and yet you say that you can't know of their existence .. Doesn't add up . Gopal is clear. If you don't see it you don't see. HOWEVER, it is merely a philosophical position. Exchange posts with Gopal only when you are bored. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:13:41 GMT -5
Yes, that he thinks it's relevant, necessary or even possible is really very funny.  Well it appears to be necessary in relation to not knowing if another exists or not .. How is G man ever going to know if another exists or not based upon his model if peeps can't verify their own existence . How can a peep show him that they indeed exist and are not a figment of his imagination . Got any ideas? He seemed to really love his mother regardless to whether she existed or not .. that's kinda weird in itself .. I've told Gopal repeatedly, he doesn't live day to day by this. It's superfluous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 16:18:27 GMT -5
 .. fluidity does what it does. Fluidity, spontaneity, freshness, the now, the seer, existence.... all the same thing. All coming out of the same placeless place. So you who observes that, can you be observed? Dry lifeless thoughts? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:20:16 GMT -5
We cannot prove the other exists but we act as though they do. I think everyone understands this. What more needs to be said. We includes the Other. How fcuked in the head do we have to become before letting-up this Non-sense and return to our Commonsense? Exactly. I don't know why some here let Gopal annoy them. We all have our own little pet theories that we are convinced are true. We are all "Gopals", we just haven't figured that out yet. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:22:52 GMT -5
He is talking in generic sense. The body has five senses the mind is the sixth. That makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:27:09 GMT -5
I said another can know their existence, but if only if they exist, but I can't know whether they exist. Your still not seeing that you can't possibly know that another can verify their own existence without knowing that they can . If you can't know if they exist or not you can't know that they can know of their own existence .. What you say is consistent with gopal's position. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:35:33 GMT -5
NO, Read the condition carefully If everyone exist Then They can know they exist. But I can't know whether they exist or not. Since you have a brilliant logical brain, it takes a quite a while to understand this toughest logic, that's ok, don't worry, I am ready to repeat it as many times you want. So please don't loose the hope If you don't understand this time. As already said .. Your still not seeing that you can't possibly know that another can verify their own existence without knowing that they can . If you know that they can then you can know that they exist ..If you can't know if they exist or not you can't know that they can know of their own existence ..
Gopal has said everybody else in the whole universe might be illusory, only Gopal being real. It could be only One consciousness, and Gopal are ~real~. Or half could be real, half imaginary. Why do you care what Gopal thinks? That's what's weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 16:37:50 GMT -5
Fluidity, spontaneity, freshness, the now, the seer, existence.... all the same thing. All coming out of the same placeless place. So you who observes that, can you be observed? no matter how lifeless or how beautiful are limited consciousness. The place they arise is unlimited consciousness. Attachments:
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:43:43 GMT -5
I can know they can know their existence If they exist, but I can't know whether they exist or not. How can you know ... The key word here is IF. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:45:50 GMT -5
Conversation is getting deviation now. I don't want to know whether they can know or not. All my point is, I can't know whether other individual appear in my consciousness is real like me. First sentence, bingo. See tenka? You cannot prove gopal wrong. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 17, 2016 16:52:01 GMT -5
My questions are on bang on point .. when you said ' I can know they can know their existence If they exist' I am therefore wondering how you can conclude that .. I will answer the question for if you like, in that you can know in the same way you can know your own existence .. If you can know, then another can know .. So now everyone knows .. butt for some reason you don't know if they exist even when they know they do .. So now a peep other than goal knows they exist and as gopal say's if they exist then they can know they exist then it seems that everyone is confident in their own existence ..Perhaps not wanting to know whether they can know or not emphasises that your happy to keep to your current logic . Yes, they can know in the same way I can know but I can't know whether they exist. The whole point is that. The whole point is Gopal is SEALED inside his own consciousness (which is One consciousness). He only knows his own consciousness. So he cannot know what's in another's consciousness. Everything else derives from that. (The present point veing argued). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 17:01:41 GMT -5
Thoughts no matter how lifeless or how beautiful are limited consciousness. The place they arise is unlimited consciousness.Oooh.. that's a juicy little thought. Though it's been negated by the statement made before it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 17:26:35 GMT -5
Thoughts no matter how lifeless or how beautiful are limited consciousness. The place they arise is unlimited consciousness.Oooh.. that's a juicy little thought. Though it's been negated by the statement made before it. If you say so. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 18:40:26 GMT -5
Or, sorry, yes. I will go back and edit. (I was probably trying to spellcheck and forgot to put the in, back in. But you see, some people can understand each other even through writing the wrong thing.  ). Yes, my indecipherable post was decipherable, quinn gets an A+ today and a star. Here are two things that don't exist. 1. Unconsciousness or unconscious mind. 2. Split mind. Nothing exists but existence itself. (Awareness/Consciousness) |
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Post by enigma on Jul 17, 2016 19:00:29 GMT -5
Okay. Where we differ is that I see no forces. Polarity does not arise from a force, it's just mind creating experience by forming mutually defining polarities. OK, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. People, places, things, events, objectively are, objectively happen. ISIS is in Syria and Iraq and killing people around the world. They want to turn the whole world into a Muslim State, (all and everybody ISIS) kill all those who oppose them, if you don't join us, we kill you. They blew up (stuff-in) 3 cities in Saudi Arabia 7-4-16, Medina, one of the three holy cities of Islam, so they are not excluding anybody from their objectives. They will march right over and kill other Muslims, opposing them. They think they are causing/fulfilling Muslim prophecy. What is subjective about people dying? Now, what is subjective is ISIS thinks they are ~good~ people, we think they are ~bad~ people. But it cannot be denied that these events are occurring in an external world. Similarly, a magnet is a magnet, it has a north pole and south pole. The earth itself is a giant magnet, N & S pole. Now, we could call N south and we could call S north, naming is subjective, but what is-out-there, is (relatively) objective. Yes, I know, you always pull the rabbit out of the hat, and say, let me explain context to you some day. I see all the cards up your sleeve, no cards left. Magnets don't have a north and a south pole until you make up those polarities. There's just a continuous field. Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. The 'naming' process is integral to creating polarities. At the moment, I'm not talking about whether events are occurring in an external world, but if you want we can also question whether internal/external is a made up polarity too. Obviously, those polarities are going to relate back to your experience since the polarities created your experience to begin with, but pointing that out doesn't prove they aren't made up. The actuality of even the physical world has no polarities, and cannot be thought about until you polarize it, which is why we do so. If you don't, you remain present, and even your present experience is gone in the 'next moment'. |
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