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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 11:17:54 GMT -5
I rarely read any emotion in his posts anymore. He used to get pretty upset with me, but I think he found a way to dismiss me entirely. What emotions do you think we're reading? I realized you won't read a post longer than three lines so I cut to the chase and drop the superfluous. "You see what you are". What you are is what you see. When a pickpocket sees ________, all he sees are his pockets. Not if one sees only what they want to see. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 11:27:23 GMT -5
How do you figure that actually works? The same Q arose over here. A lot of BS bubbled up as a result but didn't quit smelling. Solvents work on the principle of 'like dissolves like' (water is a solvent for most things containing water, some form of grease is a good solvent for greases and oils). The observing the observer loop could be brought up right now. Again, all this smells of BS and grease. Perhaps by keeping attention riveted on the witness, the witness disappears. ATA shifts attention from the conceptual to the senses. But actually it's attention on perception and so there is a constant connection to a perceiver, until there isn't. The mechanism for that? Have no clue -- that smells freshest. From what I've picked up following the stray links to Advaita and non-Zen Buddist sources and other reading, the idea is that there are certain habits of body and mind that are sort of like a loud radio blaring high-energy tunes that drown out a quiet voice whispering "pssssssst ... here! I'm over here! ....". This is where the idea of purification enters the picture. |
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 11:36:46 GMT -5
Y'know, you'd do well to stop accusing others of the same stuff you're doing - it was pretty funny though, I do forget very easily and I don't go fishing, as you also should be aware of. YOU are the troll under the bridge, duude. "for no apparent reason" - based on your personal individual judgment - which like everybody else, you have been known to make a mistake here and there - you have your areas of personal and intellectual expertise and prowess, but knowing what's going on in someone's mind is NOT one of them. You should give it up for lent - permanently.  No, the doc appt. isn't for any special problem. I suppose I could mention that because of the mindfulness / meditation, things are intense that are coming up, but it doesn't change how I perceive things going on here. It's different and don't want to go into it at the moment, and not that you'd want me to.  What you're doing here is obviously blowing off some steam. It's a form of self-therapy, and it's incredibly inconsiderate of the others who use this forum.  Your 'services' are always just. so. considerate - yeeaah. Remember. I said, "...but it doesn't change how I perceive things going on here." In spite of your own view of your own self to be always on target, I'd say nuh uh, nope. You're not qualified to judge me, let alone ANYbody else.  |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 13:24:35 GMT -5
What you're doing here is obviously blowing off some steam. It's a form of self-therapy, and it's incredibly inconsiderate of the others who use this forum. Your 'services' are always just. so. considerate - yeeaah. Remember. I said, "...but it doesn't change how I perceive things going on here." In spite of your own view of your own self to be always on target, I'd say nuh uh, nope. You're not qualified to judge me, let alone ANYbody else. Oh, but yet you're qualified to judge me?  |
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 13:31:48 GMT -5
Your 'services' are always just. so. considerate - yeeaah. Remember. I said, "...but it doesn't change how I perceive things going on here." In spite of your own view of your own self to be always on target, I'd say nuh uh, nope. You're not qualified to judge me, let alone ANYbody else. Oh, but yet you're qualified to judge me? Prey tell, where did I judge you? |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 13:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 13:53:06 GMT -5
You are.  You should.  I liked that one. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 14:01:42 GMT -5
You are. You should. I liked that one. I judge you by your content, but you judge me based on feeling and emotion. For example, in this instance, you apparently weren't conscious of the fact that you were judging me.  |
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 14:05:30 GMT -5
You are. You should. I liked that one. I judge you by your content, but you judge me based on feeling and emotion. For example, in this instance, you apparently weren't conscious of the fact that you were judging me. There's no way you could expect anything else, given that you're okay with criticizing me, even though you freely do it to whomever you please 24/7. ETA - nobody can judge anybody else strictly on non-emotional stuff...there's human psychology aplenty whenever this kind of conversation happens. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 14:11:10 GMT -5
I judge you by your content, but you judge me based on feeling and emotion. For example, in this instance, you apparently weren't conscious of the fact that you were judging me. There's no way you could expect anything else, given that you're okay with criticizing me, even though you freely do it to whomever you please 24/7. ETA - nobody can judge anybody else strictly on non-emotional stuff...there's human psychology aplenty whenever this kind of conversation happens. unconscious judgement is one thing ... I don't expect much of anything these days hun', at least, not in any sense that you'd be likely to understand. Bringing unconscious judgement to light is another thing, and you see, on a forum like this it's not so much that someone should expect that to happen, but they really shouldn't be so shocked and surprised if it does. |
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 14:14:27 GMT -5
There's no way you could expect anything else, given that you're okay with criticizing me, even though you freely do it to whomever you please 24/7. ETA - nobody can judge anybody else strictly on non-emotional stuff...there's human psychology aplenty whenever this kind of conversation happens. unconscious judgement is one thing ... I don't expect much of anything these days hun', at least, not in any sense that you'd be likely to understand. Bringing unconscious judgement to light is another thing, and you see, on a forum like this it's not so much that someone should expect that to happen, but they really shouldn't be so shocked and surprised if it does. I think it boils down to, YOU think YOUR judgment is far superior to most other mortals, and it doesn't matter what a person utilizes to come to their judgement calls. You rule out the importance of emotions, intellect (well...), intuition, blah blah blah. |
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Post by laughter on Feb 26, 2015 14:18:16 GMT -5
Expecting unconscious judgement is one thing ... I don't expect much of anything these days hun', at least, not in any sense that you'd be likely to understand. Bringing unconscious judgement to light is another thing, and you see, on a forum like this it's not so much that someone should expect that to happen, but they really shouldn't be so shocked and surprised if it does. I think it boils down to, YOU think YOUR judgment is far superior to most other mortals, and it doesn't matter what a person utilizes to come to their judgement calls. You rule out the importance of emotions, intellect (well...), intuition, blah blah blah. No, emotions and intellect are important facets of any judgement, but if one isn't familiar with the contents of their own mind then a good portion of their feelings and the conclusions they arrive at will be contradictory. If someone judges you, you can always just dismiss it, but then you might be missing something that you weren't aware of. Short of just dismissing a judgement, one does have to apply certain metrics with regard to the quality of the judgement that's been presented. A judgement delivered unconsciously is really not of any value. |
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Post by silver on Feb 26, 2015 14:22:51 GMT -5
I think it boils down to, YOU think YOUR judgment is far superior to most other mortals, and it doesn't matter what a person utilizes to come to their judgement calls. You rule out the importance of emotions, intellect (well...), intuition, blah blah blah. No, emotions and intellect are important facets of any judgement, but if one isn't familiar with the contents of their own mind then a good portion of their feelings and the conclusions they arrive at will be contradictory. If someone judges you, you can always just dismiss it, but then you might be missing something that you weren't aware of. Short of just dismissing a judgement, one does have to apply certain metrics with regard to the quality of the judgement that's been presented. A judgement delivered unconsciously is really not of any value. But...I have seen you do that very thing (deliver unconscious/faulty judgment) and not miss a beat because you think you are right when you are not right. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2015 19:27:46 GMT -5
I rarely read any emotion in his posts anymore. He used to get pretty upset with me, but I think he found a way to dismiss me entirely. What emotions do you think we're reading? "You see what you are". What you are is what you see. When a pickpocket sees ________, all he sees are his pockets. I read all the posts in the threads I'm interested in. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2015 19:35:39 GMT -5
How do you figure that actually works? The same Q arose over here. A lot of BS bubbled up as a result but didn't quit smelling. Solvents work on the principle of 'like dissolves like' (water is a solvent for most things containing water, some form of grease is a good solvent for greases and oils). The observing the observer loop could be brought up right now. Again, all this smells of BS and grease. Perhaps by keeping attention riveted on the witness, the witness disappears. ATA shifts attention from the conceptual to the senses. But actually it's attention on perception and so there is a constant connection to a perceiver, until there isn't. The mechanism for that? Have no clue -- that smells freshest. Yeah, I picked up that BS and grease odor too. Hehe. I contend that those things do not act as a solvent for self referential thinking, but rather realization does. |
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