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Post by zin on Mar 19, 2015 7:56:02 GMT -5
(that was just a note, no comment expected). How about some gratitude though? ... it was very very nice to read zindy, so ... thanks. I've found over the past five years that expressing the results of meditation to others is an integral part of what the evil frog calls the informing of mind. I've never read Jed McKenna but Maxy and wren have, and maxy's mentioned that Jed recommends something along the lines of "spiritual autolysis" ... so even when there aren't any specific comments on our journal entries, just the fact of them is part of this process. Well, even some would be too much! It was nice to write, too, so thanks for the thread. Yes I was wondering a bit about 'informing of the mind'.. it happens more slowly than my guesses it seems.. Jed M.: I read him but remember a little. One thing which was very relieving was something like this: "you don't have to 'be' anything".. I think I read it at a needful time, remembered it for quite long..
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Post by zendancer on Mar 19, 2015 9:26:37 GMT -5
How about some gratitude though? ... it was very very nice to read zindy, so ... thanks. I've found over the past five years that expressing the results of meditation to others is an integral part of what the evil frog calls the informing of mind. I've never read Jed McKenna but Maxy and wren have, and maxy's mentioned that Jed recommends something along the lines of "spiritual autolysis" ... so even when there aren't any specific comments on our journal entries, just the fact of them is part of this process. Well, even some would be too much! It was nice to write, too, so thanks for the thread. Yes I was wondering a bit about 'informing of the mind'.. it happens more slowly than my guesses it seems.. Jed M.: I read him but remember a little. One thing which was very relieving was something like this: "you don't have to 'be' anything".. I think I read it at a needful time, remembered it for quite long.. Yes, I sometimes think that strongly identifying oneself with an interest or activity may contribute to what I call "a hard-core sense of selfhood," which is like having a little person in your head that you feel is directing everything that the body does. When I was quite young, I became intensely interested in astronomy, and I learned all kinds of interesting facts. In the second grade I would impress my parents friends by telling them the distances between planets and the sun, the diameters of planets, and all kinds of stuff about the solar system, stars, and galaxies. I soon identified myself as "an astronomer" and as "a scientist," and became proud of all the information I was accumulating. In the fourth grade I started finding fossils and became "a paleontologist," finding indian relics and became "an archeologist, finding crystals and minerals and became "a geologist." Later, I identified myself as "a gymnast," "an artist," "a poet," "a race-car driver," "a designer," "a builder," "a writer," "a meditator, "a Buddhist," and a thousand other things. As it turned out, I wasn't any of those "things." It's much more fun not to have to "be" anything other than what you ARE. Ha ha.
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Post by zin on Mar 20, 2015 15:18:33 GMT -5
Well, even some would be too much! It was nice to write, too, so thanks for the thread. Yes I was wondering a bit about 'informing of the mind'.. it happens more slowly than my guesses it seems.. Jed M.: I read him but remember a little. One thing which was very relieving was something like this: "you don't have to 'be' anything".. I think I read it at a needful time, remembered it for quite long.. Yes, I sometimes think that strongly identifying oneself with an interest or activity may contribute to what I call "a hard-core sense of selfhood," which is like having a little person in your head that you feel is directing everything that the body does. When I was quite young, I became intensely interested in astronomy, and I learned all kinds of interesting facts. In the second grade I would impress my parents friends by telling them the distances between planets and the sun, the diameters of planets, and all kinds of stuff about the solar system, stars, and galaxies. I soon identified myself as "an astronomer" and as "a scientist," and became proud of all the information I was accumulating. In the fourth grade I started finding fossils and became "a paleontologist," finding indian relics and became "an archeologist, finding crystals and minerals and became "a geologist." Later, I identified myself as "a gymnast," "an artist," "a poet," "a race-car driver," "a designer," "a builder," "a writer," "a meditator, "a Buddhist," and a thousand other things. As it turned out, I wasn't any of those "things." It's much more fun not to have to "be" anything other than what you ARE. Ha ha. You have a colorful story, mine was mostly "I *must* be something, but WHAT?" ...Btw today something happened which reminded me of you... I was on a street, a tramcar stopped in front of me because of crowded traffic. People in it were looking out (sort of, towards my direction). And I started to laugh out of the blue. A bit later it moved and went away; I thought, why did I laugh?.. It seemed like this kind of astonishment was there: "They are thinking that they are 'humans' in a 'tramcar'..."! And then a comparison of tramcars and elevators happened in my mind (a few hours ago something also had happened in front of an elevator). Maybe I took some virus from here
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Post by zin on Mar 21, 2015 7:58:42 GMT -5
I agree with first two paragraphs.. About the third, I wish to write later about "the 'emotional spectrum,' available to us" and "through such turns in human history".. (I like to think loosely).. Your last sentence, did you mean to say, by thinking these things too much one may forget to appreciate our garden? If so, yes, I agree with that too. ps. I was trying to post a pic in another thread but it looks too small.. I will give up I guess.. Cool. Yeah, there isn't anything that anyone can do about World War II. And from what I understand it probably stopped quite a battle between the US and Britain that was being maneuvered into at the time. So yeah, thinking events through that are long since past, and acknowledging that that is how it has all unfolded is the sane option. There are scars in all cultures that everyone can perpetuate or put to rest in their individual way. Paying attention to what's growing well around you. And cutting back or digging out what no longer serves you, is how best to honour the deaths of those innocents. To the p.s. ok I am quite ignorant about history. I got interested in it because of an interest in human story. Now I am still at the neolithic era . But yes I agree with the scars issue, and hope the "we (our nation/group/etc) are the rightest one" mentality gets weaker.. For the "world of contrast" and all the emotions through (both small and) big events... I thought about whether there is any goal related to it.. If there is, it must be development of conscience I think - conscience on individual and collective levels. I don't take it as 'regret', or about morality; it is an ability of seeing what to do, not necessarily only between contradictory alternatives but also in emptiness.. (ok, now that I began to write a story, I might say this may affect galaxies, too )
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Post by zendancer on Mar 21, 2015 8:05:12 GMT -5
Yes, I sometimes think that strongly identifying oneself with an interest or activity may contribute to what I call "a hard-core sense of selfhood," which is like having a little person in your head that you feel is directing everything that the body does. When I was quite young, I became intensely interested in astronomy, and I learned all kinds of interesting facts. In the second grade I would impress my parents friends by telling them the distances between planets and the sun, the diameters of planets, and all kinds of stuff about the solar system, stars, and galaxies. I soon identified myself as "an astronomer" and as "a scientist," and became proud of all the information I was accumulating. In the fourth grade I started finding fossils and became "a paleontologist," finding indian relics and became "an archeologist, finding crystals and minerals and became "a geologist." Later, I identified myself as "a gymnast," "an artist," "a poet," "a race-car driver," "a designer," "a builder," "a writer," "a meditator, "a Buddhist," and a thousand other things. As it turned out, I wasn't any of those "things." It's much more fun not to have to "be" anything other than what you ARE. Ha ha. You have a colorful story, mine was mostly "I *must* be something, but WHAT?" ...Btw today something happened which reminded me of you... I was on a street, a tramcar stopped in front of me because of crowded traffic. People in it were looking out (sort of, towards my direction). And I started to laugh out of the blue. A bit later it moved and went away; I thought, why did I laugh?.. It seemed like this kind of astonishment was there: "They are thinking that they are 'humans' in a 'tramcar'..."! And then a comparison of tramcars and elevators happened in my mind (a few hours ago something also had happened in front of an elevator). Maybe I took some virus from here Yes, you may have caught a dangerous bug here. One of the side effects is laughter.
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Post by zin on Mar 21, 2015 8:24:56 GMT -5
You have a colorful story, mine was mostly "I *must* be something, but WHAT?" ...Btw today something happened which reminded me of you... I was on a street, a tramcar stopped in front of me because of crowded traffic. People in it were looking out (sort of, towards my direction). And I started to laugh out of the blue. A bit later it moved and went away; I thought, why did I laugh?.. It seemed like this kind of astonishment was there: "They are thinking that they are 'humans' in a 'tramcar'..."! And then a comparison of tramcars and elevators happened in my mind (a few hours ago something also had happened in front of an elevator). Maybe I took some virus from here Yes, you may have caught a dangerous bug here. One of the side effects is laughter. All is your fault!
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 10:41:52 GMT -5
You have a colorful story, mine was mostly "I *must* be something, but WHAT?" ...Btw today something happened which reminded me of you... I was on a street, a tramcar stopped in front of me because of crowded traffic. People in it were looking out (sort of, towards my direction). And I started to laugh out of the blue. A bit later it moved and went away; I thought, why did I laugh?.. It seemed like this kind of astonishment was there: "They are thinking that they are 'humans' in a 'tramcar'..."! And then a comparison of tramcars and elevators happened in my mind (a few hours ago something also had happened in front of an elevator). Maybe I took some virus from here Yes, you may have caught a dangerous bug here. One of the side effects is laughter. LOL.. technically, that would be a parasite..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 14:02:41 GMT -5
Yes, you may have caught a dangerous bug here. One of the side effects is laughter. LOL.. technically, that would be a parasite.. You really can't grasp that of which laughter is a side effect. It's best not to think about it and just be infected by it.
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Post by figgles on Mar 21, 2015 14:55:17 GMT -5
Yes, you may have caught a dangerous bug here. One of the side effects is laughter. LOL.. technically, that would be a parasite.. haha!!...Ba-da-Bing!!.....and to think you've been accused of having no sense of humour. Sharp as a tack Tzu. (of course Laffy...that would be the cute, fuzzy, adorable kind )
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 15:20:52 GMT -5
LOL.. technically, that would be a parasite.. You really can't grasp that of which laughter is a side effect. It's best not to think about it and just be infected by it. You would be amazed at the spontaneous laughter that erupts from this body-mind's daily experiences.. some of which is inspired by those that set their own limitations, such as your belief that something 'can't be grasped'.. i really don't know what can/can't be grasped, so i just pay attention.. (the parasite comment was a humorous interpretation of the 'bug' reference)..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 15:50:13 GMT -5
You really can't grasp that of which laughter is a side effect. It's best not to think about it and just be infected by it. You would be amazed at the spontaneous laughter that erupts from this body-mind's daily experiences.. some of which is inspired by those that set their own limitations, such as your belief that something 'can't be grasped'.. i really don't know what can/can't be grasped, so i just pay attention.. (the parasite comment was a humorous interpretation of the 'bug' reference).. Yes, not knowing isn't a problem. It's the minds grasping to know what you don't know that takes you away from paying attention. Something else that took you away from paying attention was imagining parasites and bugs had anything to do with what ZD was talking about.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 16:00:50 GMT -5
You would be amazed at the spontaneous laughter that erupts from this body-mind's daily experiences.. some of which is inspired by those that set their own limitations, such as your belief that something 'can't be grasped'.. i really don't know what can/can't be grasped, so i just pay attention.. (the parasite comment was a humorous interpretation of the 'bug' reference).. Yes, not knowing isn't a problem. It's the minds grasping to know what you don't know that takes you away from paying attention. Something else that took you away from paying attention was imagining parasites and bugs had anything to do with what ZD was talking about. You know what else "takes you away from paying attention"?.. imagining what others are imagining.. i'm very clear on ZD's messaging, i took advantage of his 'bug' reference to entertain my unique sense of humor, and it didn't distract me from his message, either..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 16:33:00 GMT -5
Cool. Yeah, there isn't anything that anyone can do about World War II. And from what I understand it probably stopped quite a battle between the US and Britain that was being maneuvered into at the time. So yeah, thinking events through that are long since past, and acknowledging that that is how it has all unfolded is the sane option. There are scars in all cultures that everyone can perpetuate or put to rest in their individual way. Paying attention to what's growing well around you. And cutting back or digging out what no longer serves you, is how best to honour the deaths of those innocents. To the p.s. ok I am quite ignorant about history. I got interested in it because of an interest in human story. Now I am still at the neolithic era . But yes I agree with the scars issue, and hope the "we (our nation/group/etc) are the rightest one" mentality gets weaker.. For the "world of contrast" and all the emotions through (both small and) big events... I thought about whether there is any goal related to it.. If there is, it must be development of conscience I think - conscience on individual and collective levels. I don't take it as 'regret', or about morality; it is an ability of seeing what to do, not necessarily only between contradictory alternatives but also in emptiness.. ( ok, now that I began to write a story, I might say this may affect galaxies, too ) I really wouldn't worry about affecting galaxies, to get some perspective try this.. (and remember this is only our known...)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 16:44:22 GMT -5
Yes, not knowing isn't a problem. It's the minds grasping to know what you don't know that takes you away from paying attention. Something else that took you away from paying attention was imagining parasites and bugs had anything to do with what ZD was talking about. You know what else "takes you away from paying attention"?.. imagining what others are imagining.. i'm very clear on ZD's messaging, i took advantage of his 'bug' reference to entertain my unique sense of humor, and it didn't distract me from his message, either.. Ummm...tzu, your not paying attention to paying attention, like you said you do. Now pay attention.... look around your flat and see if you can find some real bugs to entertain you.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 21, 2015 16:46:45 GMT -5
You know what else "takes you away from paying attention"?.. imagining what others are imagining.. i'm very clear on ZD's messaging, i took advantage of his 'bug' reference to entertain my unique sense of humor, and it didn't distract me from his message, either.. Ummm...tzu, your not paying attention to paying attention, like you said you do. Now pay attention.... look around your flat and see if you can find some real bugs to entertain you. I've got a better idea, let's not play this game.. there's too much of it infesting ST already..
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