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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 12:36:57 GMT -5
Seems like he discerned dependence on the part of some in the group that had put him at the head of it. Still though, this idea of "setting man free from his cage" .. .. an ideal, no matter how noble, is still an ideal. Funny synch, just less than an hour ago Sue and I were talking and what came up was "the world doesn't need any new religions". Even a synthesis would just be another central organizing principle. It's the same tension, the same paradox that one finds no matter which way they approach nonduality with the mind. It's true that every human being is unique. No one path like any other. It's just as true that there is valuable, profound and beautiful culture to be found throughout human history that can, has been, and will be integral to many a path. Some elements of the old cultures will morph and survive over time. New cults will inevitably emerge. Some of these will likely get quite popular. Some people will find inner peace in their lifetimes. Others won't. Those that do will be of all stripes and flavors in the rainbow. Some charismatic, some self-sacrificing, some blunt, others poetic. All human, all flawed, and each success and every failure, perfect, just as they were, are and could ever be. Beautifully said. thx lolz
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 20:21:13 GMT -5
He's da bomb.
If you look into it, start with reading his speech 'The truth is a pathless land'... that where he really became JK and everything follows from there.
There's a heap of you tube clips and a lot, tons, of his work is free online.
www.jkrishnamurti.org/about-krishnamurti/dissolution-speech.php
Read it and weep.
Seems like he discerned dependence on the part of some in the group that had put him at the head of it. Still though, this idea of "setting man free from his cage" .. .. an ideal, no matter how noble, is still an ideal.Funny synch, just less than an hour ago Sue and I were talking and what came up was "the world doesn't need any new religions". Even a synthesis would just be another central organizing principle. It's the same tension, the same paradox that one finds no matter which way they approach nonduality with the mind. It's true that every human being is unique. No one path like any other. It's just as true that there is valuable, profound and beautiful culture to be found throughout human history that can, has been, and will be integral to many a path. Some elements of the old cultures will morph and survive over time. New cults will inevitably emerge. Some of these will likely get quite popular. Some people will find inner peace in their lifetimes. Others won't. Those that do will be of all stripes and flavors in the rainbow. Some charismatic, some self-sacrificing, some blunt, others poetic. All human, all flawed, and each success and every failure, perfect, just as they were, are and could ever be. Well, yeah, and why tell peeps not to follow you while declaring the goal of setting everyone free? Sounds like a good person to follow. I always found JK to be a little verbose and preachy, as though a following was precisely what he was looking for.
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 22:05:41 GMT -5
I always found JK to be a little verbose and preachy, as though a following was precisely what he was looking for. The link was the first time I ever read something of his outside of forum-quote snippets, and it's a speech that dissolves a spiritual organization that had put him at the head of it.
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 23:13:37 GMT -5
I always found JK to be a little verbose and preachy, as though a following was precisely what he was looking for. The link was the first time I ever read something of his outside of forum-quote snippets, and it's a speech that dissolves a spiritual organization that had put him at the head of it. And from what dusty (I think) said, that speech was the real start of his following. (I never said he wasn't clever)
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Post by lolly on Feb 20, 2015 5:01:15 GMT -5
The speech said I'm closing down the organization because it's somebody else's stupid idea and it's not doing any good, and my interest is in the truth itself and bringing people to it. After the organization was out of his way, he just JK free of the burden of being the 'World Teacher'. The then went on to hold discussions, give discourses, hold satsangs and write books, in much the same manner as other popular spiritual teachers.
He wasn't the spiritual type because he was groomed by the leaders of a society and very properly edumacated. the entire of his upbringing, if you understand his biography, led to be what he turned out to be, but TIAPL was the declarion of his authentic self, and he remained true to all he said on that day for the rest of his life.
It's not like you guys are assuming about his intentions. He rejected all followers and and continued to express how followers are destrustive in nature, the followers of nation and religion and idealism that are at the root of conflict be that warfare or the conflict of the individual mentality.
The speech was to say, this organization is a farce, this is who I am and this is what I want to do.
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Post by etolle on Jan 10, 2019 12:04:32 GMT -5
from the real place...this is what I was tryin to say in that other thread. from that perspective there is no noise,beliefs,etc…..if its a trick of the mind its a dam good trick.lol
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Post by justlikeyou on Jan 10, 2019 18:46:46 GMT -5
from the real place...this is what I was tryin to say in that other thread. from that perspective there is no noise,beliefs,etc…..if its a trick of the mind its a dam good trick.lol Yes, indeed. And Mooji is a great example of one who grows simpler and clearer with time. I say run from anyone who gets more and more complex! :-)
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Post by etolle on Jan 10, 2019 20:46:32 GMT -5
Seems like he discerned dependence on the part of some in the group that had put him at the head of it. Still though, this idea of "setting man free from his cage" .. .. an ideal, no matter how noble, is still an ideal.Funny synch, just less than an hour ago Sue and I were talking and what came up was "the world doesn't need any new religions". Even a synthesis would just be another central organizing principle. It's the same tension, the same paradox that one finds no matter which way they approach nonduality with the mind. It's true that every human being is unique. No one path like any other. It's just as true that there is valuable, profound and beautiful culture to be found throughout human history that can, has been, and will be integral to many a path. Some elements of the old cultures will morph and survive over time. New cults will inevitably emerge. Some of these will likely get quite popular. Some people will find inner peace in their lifetimes. Others won't. Those that do will be of all stripes and flavors in the rainbow. Some charismatic, some self-sacrificing, some blunt, others poetic. All human, all flawed, and each success and every failure, perfect, just as they were, are and could ever be. Well, yeah, and why tell peeps not to follow you while declaring the goal of setting everyone free? Sounds like a good person to follow. I always found JK to be a little verbose and preachy, as though a following was precisely what he was looking for. enigma its amazing how we all have a different perspective. I take jk as being sincere and the last thing he cared about was impressing anyone.
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