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Post by Transcix on Oct 3, 2014 14:35:10 GMT -5
An atom is extremely simple. But look how so many atoms form to create a physical chair! Are atoms simple or complex? Are they simple in that individually they're useless, or complex in that collectively they're invaluable?
I should say that the whole of existence is complex, and efficient, but not simple.
However if a person masters being alive, then for them their existence is simple, unencumbered by suffering! For the master, simple isn't boring, though it's not invigorating either--it's not an end but a means.
If an answer produces further questions then it can be compelling to chase those questions, but an answer can also allow for simplification, that is, arrangement, coordination and consolidation.
I should say that a homogeneous blob is simple and that the whole of reality we live in is complex.
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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2014 19:34:37 GMT -5
An atom is extremely simple. But look how so many atoms form to create a physical chair! Are atoms simple or complex? Are they simple in that individually they're useless, or complex in that collectively they're invaluable? I should say that the whole of existence is complex, and efficient, but not simple. However if a person masters being alive, then for them their existence is simple, unencumbered by suffering! For the master, simple isn't boring, though it's not invigorating either--it's not an end but a means. If an answer produces further questions then it can be compelling to chase those questions, but an answer can also allow for simplification, that is, arrangement, coordination and consolidation. I should say that a homogeneous blob is simple and that the whole of reality we live in is complex. The premise is based on an arbitrary level of abstraction applied to the concept of the atom. The closer the observation of them, the more complex an idea they embody. |
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Post by Transcix on Oct 3, 2014 21:29:06 GMT -5
The premise is based on an arbitrary level of abstraction applied to the concept of the atom. The closer the observation of them, the more complex an idea they embody. A chair seems simple, until you look closer and see that it's composed of atoms. This has already been said. So I repeat, is the essence/whole of existence simple or complex? Perhaps existence simply is. In that case, wherefrom comes its elegance? I should say that it comes from you, from your perspective. But what I find elegant and what you find elegant may be two different things. To speak of elegance one must do so in a way that doesn't impose delineation of all elegance across the perspective of all people. The same with virtue. I find that my journey through reality is simple, but I'm not traversing all of reality all at once. I take what I can handle. I suppose my journey is elegant, although elegance wouldn't be the first adjective that I'd use to describe it. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2014 0:35:09 GMT -5
The premise is based on an arbitrary level of abstraction applied to the concept of the atom. The closer the observation of them, the more complex an idea they embody. A chair seems simple, until you look closer and see that it's composed of atoms. This has already been said. So I repeat, is the essence/whole of existence simple or complex? Perhaps existence simply is. In that case, wherefrom comes its elegance? I should say that it comes from you, from your perspective. But what I find elegant and what you find elegant may be two different things. To speak of elegance one must do so in a way that doesn't impose delineation of all elegance across the perspective of all people. The same with virtue. I find that my journey through reality is simple, but I'm not traversing all of reality all at once. I take what I can handle. I suppose my journey is elegant, although elegance wouldn't be the first adjective that I'd use to describe it. The answer to the question is arbitrary and dependent on perspective. 'Round here, it's called TMT.  |
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