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Post by andyparf on Sept 23, 2014 14:52:07 GMT -5
What i have learned through seeking and my search
i set out on this task to figure something out if i kill myself will there be anything left,
so i started learning and looking to see where i was and i came to understand this place conceptual reality is a fraud it is what we have built because we have no idea where we are or what to do with our time in his place
all i see now is people like zombies walking around all unconscious because that what life seems to be good at is staying unconscious and keeping you that way so you never look around and realize how fake this is
zombies a planet of zombies who would have thought it
all the concepts of money religion wealth, outer adornments became pointless i could not put my energy into it, and it seemed pointless to be spending my only time that i may get alive doing the things that keep you asleep
cosmic unity was another mile stone oneness with the universe, oneness with everything, feeling of love beyond words, that love is all that there is no separate self but you comeback to this place how do you pick up an ego when you been one with god when you have been god
i wonder what this thing is i now am the conciousness behind my eyes timeless just looking out through what i can only call me,
this feeling that when i die my conciousness will go one way and everything that was this character will seize to be
is this what your not supposed to learn, burn everything and see what's left
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Post by silver on Sept 23, 2014 16:26:39 GMT -5
I can relate the way you see the peeps walking around on this planet, so buzzed with frenetic activity 24/7, and the unconsciousness or semi-unconsciousness being barely aware of what you or I might term the important stuff. And you mentioning their zombie-like state is reminiscent of all those copper-tops in The Matrix. (luv that movie)
Someone just the other day likened the flow, or the cosmic consciousness or _____ to I forget now, ha ha -- but I saw pictures of memento mori's (in Victorian times and other times, people would take formal photographs of their deceased loved ones, posed as if they were alive)-- creepy yet very fascinating. And I thought of all the billions of people come and gone, in their graves, stretching out over many lands, and I thought, too, of pictures I'd seen of other creepy things, like deformed babies from Chernobyl or wherever and finding my own son in bed - gone, and some day too, someone may find me in my bed - gone with the wind. It just made me stop and think?! You can't think! It's just _______.
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Post by silver on Sept 23, 2014 16:34:12 GMT -5
andyparf?! This will mark my 12,000th post!  |
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Post by Transcix on Sept 24, 2014 2:05:58 GMT -5
What i have learned through seeking and my search i set out on this task to figure something out if i kill myself will there be anything left, so i started learning and looking to see where i was and i came to understand this place conceptual reality is a fraud it is what we have built because we have no idea where we are or what to do with our time in his place all i see now is people like zombies walking around all unconscious because that what life seems to be good at is staying unconscious and keeping you that way so you never look around and realize how fake this is zombies a planet of zombies who would have thought it all the concepts of money religion wealth, outer adornments became pointless i could not put my energy into it, and it seemed pointless to be spending my only time that i may get alive doing the things that keep you asleep Everything you said up until this point is golden. Fear of death is the most noble of spurs, immortality the most noble of goals. But now new-age spirituality says that everything's OK because you live forever in reincarnation, you never really die and you always get a second chance. BS. You felt cosmic unity. Great. Don't try to find that feeling again in your past, because your past truly does not exist in any sense. You're feeling cosmic unity right now, and it feels funny to you. Very strange. Just like the words "cosmic unity" are equally ludicrous. You say that there's no separate self yet you talk of yourself constantly in what you posted. Always about you. It doesn't matter. Who cares? Be one. Be in cosmic unity. The separation between self and other, which apparent does and doesn't exist, is just a stupid matter of knowledge, and knowledge is an evil distraction. Haha, just kidding my friend! Cosmic unity will not find you, you must find it! It's trying to find you as much as it can but it's like a language you can't understand, so you need to study and learn how to speak it. The truth doesn't lie in experience, nor is experience the truth, but through experience you can think and gain truth, and through truth you can refine the variables of experience. The greatest lie is when someone says that there's nothing to know, because in their minds when they say that there must be so many beliefs that lead them to that statement, and that they're so utterly blind to it.. well.. the bigger the lie the more easily it's believed! My action of writing this is the best expression possible of what I've learned.  |
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Post by japhy on Sept 24, 2014 2:53:24 GMT -5
What i have learned through seeking and my search i set out on this task to figure something out if i kill myself will there be anything left, so i started learning and looking to see where i was and i came to understand this place conceptual reality is a fraud it is what we have built because we have no idea where we are or what to do with our time in his place all i see now is people like zombies walking around all unconscious because that what life seems to be good at is staying unconscious and keeping you that way so you never look around and realize how fake this is zombies a planet of zombies who would have thought it all the concepts of money religion wealth, outer adornments became pointless i could not put my energy into it, and it seemed pointless to be spending my only time that i may get alive doing the things that keep you asleep cosmic unity was another mile stone oneness with the universe, oneness with everything, feeling of love beyond words, that love is all that there is no separate self but you comeback to this place how do you pick up an ego when you been one with god when you have been god i wonder what this thing is i now am the conciousness behind my eyes timeless just looking out through what i can only call me, this feeling that when i die my conciousness will go one way and everything that was this character will seize to be is this what your not supposed to learn, burn everything and see what's left Drifting by, reading, feeling, what to say? Tears almost in my eyes. The sound is here, can you hear? What to do? I sit, I swim. Eating chestnuts, Drinking tea. A window, I can see the cold. Lost cars, passing bye. Whom do I touch in this life of mine? You are so close, so far. Take a stone, smash the glass. Ahhhhhh |
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Post by andyparf on Sept 24, 2014 18:08:10 GMT -5
there was a time for me when there was no I but you cannot remain in that state and you come back and have to recreate some sort of outer shell but knowing now the outer shell to be fraudulent, see it in me and everyone else to varying degrees of thickness
realizing now that there is nothing to know nothing to gain and nothing to lose, that death will be the same as life and there will be nothing left of this character you played because it had no foundation when you where alive
that ego is reinforced through outer adornments and your character you play is the result or how other people reflect back to who you are, project reinforcing and maintaining the illusion of self is where everyone life energy goes into an illusion of me
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Post by laughter on Sept 24, 2014 18:59:04 GMT -5
there was a time for me when there was no I but you cannot remain in that state and you come back and have to recreate some sort of outer shell but knowing now the outer shell to be fraudulent, see it in me and everyone else to varying degrees of thickness realizing now that there is nothing to know nothing to gain and nothing to lose, that death will be the same as life and there will be nothing left of this character you played because it had no foundation when you where alive that ego is reinforced through outer adornments and your character you play is the result or how other people reflect back to who you are, project reinforcing and maintaining the illusion of self is where everyone life energy goes into an illusion of me Is there any sort of emotion you'd associate with what you've written? Do you feel anything about this state of affairs? Welcome to the st.org forum, btw! Have you considered an introduction? |
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Post by andyparf on Sept 25, 2014 12:11:25 GMT -5
no emotion there is calm to my thoughts this was preparation for death and in that was maybe truth of where i am
just wanted to leave something a flag stuck in the ground a marker by me, there is no place in this no part for me to play
and how beautiful this place is the colours, what it means to breath and see the joy of just the experience of it all
maybe the same thing that looks through my eyes is what is looking through yours
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 12:17:19 GMT -5
no emotion there is calm to my thoughts this was preparation for death and in that was maybe truth of where i am just wanted to leave something a flag stuck in the ground a marker by me, there is no place in this no part for me to play and how beautiful this place is the colours, what it means to breath and see the joy of just the experience of it all maybe the same thing that looks through my eyes is what is looking through yours I see that.  |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 25, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
there was a time for me when there was no I but you cannot remain in that state and you come back and have to recreate some sort of outer shell but knowing now the outer shell to be fraudulent, see it in me and everyone else to varying degrees of thickness realizing now that there is nothing to know nothing to gain and nothing to lose, that death will be the same as life and there will be nothing left of this character you played because it had no foundation when you where alive that ego is reinforced through outer adornments and your character you play is the result or how other people reflect back to who you are, project reinforcing and maintaining the illusion of self is where everyone life energy goes into an illusion of me Is this really true, or is this just another set of ideas that replaced your original ideas? In fact, you don't have to come back and recreate a "me" at the center of everything if there is sufficient understanding about what's going on. If you return to a state, then, yes, "you" have come back, but what if there is no wish to return to a state of any kind? Who we imagine we are is a product of self-referential thought, but if reflection and self-referentiality are left behind, what then? Who are we if we don't imagine anything? Here's something else to consider. You're probably correct when you say that most people live unconsciously pursuing the goals and activities promoted by family and cultural indoctrination, but how would you recognize someone who becomes free from that kind of indoctrination? Would the outward activities look the same or different? If they looked the same, is it possible that the psychological perspective might be different? The average person considers herself to be an observer of an external reality, but how does a person act who no longer imagines herself to be an observer separate from the action? |
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Post by andyparf on Sept 25, 2014 15:47:05 GMT -5
from my perspective if you did not pick up and recreate a me you would be in a mental home thats what the process would do to you, killing yourself one part at a time to see whats left
looking at people and seeing that they are hollow and without any basis is one thing looking at yourself to see you are without basis is another
maybe a person who got to the state of no separation would try and wake other people up or hide away or die, but you would be living then on a planet full of people who are like zombies or some analogy that means the same
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Post by zendancer on Sept 25, 2014 18:16:42 GMT -5
from my perspective if you did not pick up and recreate a me you would be in a mental home thats what the process would do to you, killing yourself one part at a time to see whats left looking at people and seeing that they are hollow and without any basis is one thing looking at yourself to see you are without basis is another maybe a person who got to the state of no separation would try and wake other people up or hide away or die, but you would be living then on a planet full of people who are like zombies or some analogy that means the same 1. "If you did not recreate a you, you would be in a mental home." That is an idea, only. Before reaching any conclusion, it might be wise to find out whether it is possible to refrain from recreating an identity as anything. IOW, is it possible to live without getting attached to any idea of selfhood or separation? 2. Seeing (imagining) that people are hollow, or that you, yourself, are hollow is an idea, only. If you didn't have either of these ideas, how would that affect your perspective or understanding? 3. Maybe a person who got to a state of no separation would only help people wake up who were interested in waking up, and maybe such a person would not have the idea that other people need to be anything other than what they are. Is that a possibility? |
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Post by enigma on Sept 25, 2014 19:07:41 GMT -5
there was a time for me when there was no I but you cannot remain in that state and you come back and have to recreate some sort of outer shell but knowing now the outer shell to be fraudulent, see it in me and everyone else to varying degrees of thickness realizing now that there is nothing to know nothing to gain and nothing to lose, that death will be the same as life and there will be nothing left of this character you played because it had no foundation when you where alive that ego is reinforced through outer adornments and your character you play is the result or how other people reflect back to who you are, project reinforcing and maintaining the illusion of self is where everyone life energy goes into an illusion of me Is this really true, or is this just another set of ideas that replaced your original ideas? In fact, you don't have to come back and recreate a "me" at the center of everything if there is sufficient understanding about what's going on. If you return to a state, then, yes, "you" have come back, but what if there is no wish to return to a state of any kind? Who we imagine we are is a product of self-referential thought, but if reflection and self-referentiality are left behind, what then? Who are we if we don't imagine anything? Here's something else to consider. You're probably correct when you say that most people live unconsciously pursuing the goals and activities promoted by family and cultural indoctrination, but how would you recognize someone who becomes free from that kind of indoctrination? Would the outward activities look the same or different? If they looked the same, is it possible that the psychological perspective might be different? The average person considers herself to be an observer of an external reality, but how does a person act who no longer imagines herself to be an observer separate from the action? I'm sitting here in my garden typing, and yet there is silence, punctuated by the occasional rustling of the leaves in the breeze, now the howl of a distant train, coolness on my skin that comes and goes. I know this is not the world most live in, or everyone would be drowning themselves in it; sitting doe-eyed, breathing in the scenery and exhaling it, unable to separate the breath from the scenery, from the melody. It's the darndest thing, really, and it never, ever gets old. I know what people see when they watch me drowning. They see what they want to see, just as always. Except for my Marie, who can see with her heart instead of her eyes.  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 25, 2014 19:14:24 GMT -5
from my perspective if you did not pick up and recreate a me you would be in a mental home thats what the process would do to you, killing yourself one part at a time to see whats left looking at people and seeing that they are hollow and without any basis is one thing looking at yourself to see you are without basis is another maybe a person who got to the state of no separation would try and wake other people up or hide away or die, but you would be living then on a planet full of people who are like zombies or some analogy that means the same The world would be a lonely place if it could ever get away and go dancing without me, but of course it cannot. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 25, 2014 19:20:14 GMT -5
no emotion there is calm to my thoughts this was preparation for death and in that was maybe truth of where i am just wanted to leave something a flag stuck in the ground a marker by me, there is no place in this no part for me to play and how beautiful this place is the colours, what it means to breath and see the joy of just the experience of it all maybe the same thing that looks through my eyes is what is looking through yours I see that. I see yer pair 'o almonds and raise u the house limit boy!  |
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