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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 8:46:48 GMT -5
Hello Laughter. Did you know that the word Hello, was never used in language before, the invention of the telephone? surely peeps said something for introductions.... those blank stares at greetings are awkward  The likelihood is, that an enquiry into the health of a friend was more the introduction of the day, pre-telephone. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 8:52:47 GMT -5
Hello Laughter. Did you know that the word Hello, was never used in language before, the invention of the telephone? I did not know that, and I find that both surprising and interesting.  |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 14, 2014 11:04:41 GMT -5
I'm not against anything, well...I take that back....my azz is against this couch, does that count  It's okay to joke around, but you're insulting peeps and generally acting like you have a burr under your saddle, which means something is bothering you about the peeps on this forum or something, I guess, and just like justlikeyou, he's being mum on what specifically it is that isn't setting right with you. You can play games all you want because this is the UM section, but I kinda wonder if you'll ever come out with it in a way that will sorta clear the air. If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp |
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 14, 2014 11:43:48 GMT -5
It's okay to joke around, but you're insulting peeps and generally acting like you have a burr under your saddle, which means something is bothering you about the peeps on this forum or something, I guess, and just like justlikeyou, he's being mum on what specifically it is that isn't setting right with you. You can play games all you want because this is the UM section, but I kinda wonder if you'll ever come out with it in a way that will sorta clear the air. If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp Interesting, but.. when the nondualist declares that it's all an illusion, and there are are no 'separate volitional persons', the belief that there is 'someone' there to 'teach' reveals their misunderstanding of what is actually happening.. the non-person thought to be taught would have no volition to alter their trajectory, the model is its own contradiction.. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:20:50 GMT -5
Hello Laughter. Did you know that the word Hello, was never used in language before, the invention of the telephone? I did not know that, and I find that both surprising and interesting. I think what I meant was that it wasn't heard singularly, the way it is today. It would be a 'Hello, how are you?' in face to face greetings. So, How are you? And thanx for the poem you left out for me. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2014 15:21:54 GMT -5
It's okay to joke around, but you're insulting peeps and generally acting like you have a burr under your saddle, which means something is bothering you about the peeps on this forum or something, I guess, and just like justlikeyou, he's being mum on what specifically it is that isn't setting right with you. You can play games all you want because this is the UM section, but I kinda wonder if you'll ever come out with it in a way that will sorta clear the air. If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp Up to a point in terms of there being some self-reinforcing ideas there, this is something I mostly agree with and the notion of a "Holy Fool" is something I find delightfully funny. As to whether or not Steve fits this description, there is always the duck test to keep in mind ...  |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2014 15:25:28 GMT -5
I did not know that, and I find that both surprising and interesting. I think what I meant was that it wasn't heard singularly, the way it is today. It would be a 'Hello, how are you?' in face to face greetings. Yes, I see what you mean by that. Luckily, with the internet, now we can smile into the receiver! So, How are you? And thanx for the poem you left out for me. I'm good thanks for asking. While there's always something that delays one's best laid plans, every moment that makes up the delay, simply is, what it is. You are quite welcome for the poem, but I think I know you well enough that you know there's no reason to thank laffy for it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 15:37:53 GMT -5
I think what I meant was that it wasn't heard singularly, the way it is today. It would be a 'Hello, how are you?' in face to face greetings. Yes, I see what you mean by that. Luckily, with the internet, now we can smile into the receiver! So, How are you? And thanx for the poem you left out for me. I'm good thanks for asking. While there's always something that delays one's best laid plans, every moment that makes up the delay, simply is, what it is. You are quite welcome for the poem, but I think I know you well enough that you know there's no reason to thank laffy for it. Yeah, can you imagine that forums of the future will be all Skype interaction? Conference forums, I suppose they will be called. A real settle down with the popcorn time eh?  Cool, cool. Yeah those moments that delay plans always have a freer abundance to them than the plan actualisation moments. D'ya think that's why we like making up a plan or two? *bows head* |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2014 18:19:17 GMT -5
Yes, I see what you mean by that. Luckily, with the internet, now we can smile into the receiver! I'm good thanks for asking. While there's always something that delays one's best laid plans, every moment that makes up the delay, simply is, what it is. You are quite welcome for the poem, but I think I know you well enough that you know there's no reason to thank laffy for it. Yeah, can you imagine that forums of the future will be all Skype interaction? Conference forums, I suppose they will be called. A real settle down with the popcorn time eh? Cool, cool. Yeah those moments that delay plans always have a freer abundance to them than the plan actualisation moments. D'ya think that's why we like making up a plan or two? *bows head* So the aphorism goes "wanting is a better thing than having", which seems to me another form of "the journey is the reward. |
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Post by silver on Sept 14, 2014 19:50:46 GMT -5
It's okay to joke around, but you're insulting peeps and generally acting like you have a burr under your saddle, which means something is bothering you about the peeps on this forum or something, I guess, and just like justlikeyou, he's being mum on what specifically it is that isn't setting right with you. You can play games all you want because this is the UM section, but I kinda wonder if you'll ever come out with it in a way that will sorta clear the air. If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp I honest to god don't think it's about 'Steve doesn't care how we see him.' I get the rest of that, about being here voluntarily, would you have real doubts about me being that much of a wimp or something? I'm doing well enough, thank you, as far as learning, reading, and I don't feel I need any of his help. I don't see anything particularly insightful coming from him. Besides, along about then, things just went from bad to worse, and everything just got so downright childish, I went off and was reading my book and staying out of the way. I'm dumbfounded that you would think that I needed help OR that he would be a good candidate for that help, and I'm stunned at your lack of any powers of discernment in this situation. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 14, 2014 21:21:20 GMT -5
If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp I honest to god don't think it's about 'Steve doesn't care how we see him.' I get the rest of that, about being here voluntarily, would you have real doubts about me being that much of a wimp or something? I'm doing well enough, thank you, as far as learning, reading, and I don't feel I need any of his help. I don't see anything particularly insightful coming from him. Besides, along about then, things just went from bad to worse, and everything just got so downright childish, I went off and was reading my book and staying out of the way. I'm dumbfounded that you would think that I needed help OR that he would be a good candidate for that help, and I'm stunned at your lack of any powers of discernment in this situation.I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you did, I concur. |
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Post by silver on Sept 14, 2014 21:29:19 GMT -5
I honest to god don't think it's about 'Steve doesn't care how we see him.' I get the rest of that, about being here voluntarily, would you have real doubts about me being that much of a wimp or something? I'm doing well enough, thank you, as far as learning, reading, and I don't feel I need any of his help. I don't see anything particularly insightful coming from him. Besides, along about then, things just went from bad to worse, and everything just got so downright childish, I went off and was reading my book and staying out of the way. I'm dumbfounded that you would think that I needed help OR that he would be a good candidate for that help, and I'm stunned at your lack of any powers of discernment in this situation. I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you did, I concur. Hey, thanks, Frogdaddy.  |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 14, 2014 21:31:18 GMT -5
It's okay to joke around, but you're insulting peeps and generally acting like you have a burr under your saddle, which means something is bothering you about the peeps on this forum or something, I guess, and just like justlikeyou, he's being mum on what specifically it is that isn't setting right with you. You can play games all you want because this is the UM section, but I kinda wonder if you'll ever come out with it in a way that will sorta clear the air. If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp You're kidding, right?  |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 14, 2014 21:38:15 GMT -5
If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp Up to a point in terms of there being some self-reinforcing ideas there, this is something I mostly agree with and the notion of a "Holy Fool" is something I find delightfully funny. As to whether or not Steve fits this description, there is always the duck test to keep in mind ... The 'holy fool' thing seems to assume that there's a thin line between madness and enlightenment. It's not. Madness means being locked into the intellect, enlightened means being free from the intellect. |
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Post by Reefs on Sept 14, 2014 21:46:08 GMT -5
If you see people drowning, suffering, asleep, you'll do anything to try to shake them out of their lethargy. If there is any sense of self left you will even set that aside for their benefit. In the Eastern Orthodox Church these are called Holy Fools. Steve doesn't care how we see him. A teacher can't work directly on a student, without their permission. Nobody has forced anyone to be here on this forum. Nobody forces anyone to read posts, so in a sense you are giving permission to be acted upon by just being here. Spiritual work must be participated in always and only without coercion. Anything else is an act of leverage by ego upon ego, it leads nowhere, ego can't awaken. sdp I honest to god don't think it's about 'Steve doesn't care how we see him.' I get the rest of that, about being here voluntarily, would you have real doubts about me being that much of a wimp or something? I'm doing well enough, thank you, as far as learning, reading, and I don't feel I need any of his help. I don't see anything particularly insightful coming from him. Besides, along about then, things just went from bad to worse, and everything just got so downright childish, I went off and was reading my book and staying out of the way. I'm dumbfounded that you would think that I needed help OR that he would be a good candidate for that help, and I'm stunned at your lack of any powers of discernment in this situation. Well, at least he shows us how projection works.  |
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