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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 22, 2014 19:40:55 GMT -5
Just got this book. Thought I'd share some quotes from it here from time to time. In some, like the one below, I may include my understanding of the quote.
"Along with the knowledge "I am" appears space and the world. (with the arrival of babies first conscious moment simultaneously arises an inner perceiving self and through now consciously functioning eyes the world appears for the first time) When the knowledge "I am" (consciousness) departs the world is liquidated" (the world is no longer consciously perceived and therefore departs...temporarily when sleeping deeply, permanently at death)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 1:57:41 GMT -5
Just got this book. Thought I'd share some quotes from it here from time to time. In some, like the one below, I may include my understanding of the quote. "Along with the knowledge "I am" appears space and the world. (with the arrival of babies first conscious moment simultaneously arises an inner perceiving self and through now consciously functioning eyes the world appears for the first time) When the knowledge "I am" (consciousness) departs the world is liquidated" (the world is no longer consciously perceived and therefore departs...temporarily when sleeping deeply, permanently at death) Yeah it's built around me every morning when I awake. Great innit?
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 23, 2014 9:08:20 GMT -5
Just got this book. Thought I'd share some quotes from it here from time to time. In some, like the one below, I may include my understanding of the quote. "Along with the knowledge "I am" appears space and the world. (with the arrival of babies first conscious moment simultaneously arises an inner perceiving self and through now consciously functioning eyes the world appears for the first time) When the knowledge "I am" (consciousness) departs the world is liquidated" (the world is no longer consciously perceived and therefore departs...temporarily when sleeping deeply, permanently at death) Yeah it's built around me every morning when I awake. Great innit? Tis indeed.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 23, 2014 9:19:56 GMT -5
"Appearance and disappearance, birth and death, these are the qualities of "I am". They do not belong to you, the Absolute"
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 23, 2014 21:14:30 GMT -5
"Apply your mind, go back in time and try to recollect the moment when for the first time it dawned on you that "you are" or "I am". This nascent (just coming into existence) "I am" is without words or nonverbal."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 21:17:12 GMT -5
"Apply your mind, go back in time and try to recollect the moment when for the first time it dawned on you that "you are" or "I am". This nascent (just coming into existence) "I am" is without words or nonverbal." and then 'stay home.'
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 24, 2014 9:46:07 GMT -5
"you, the Absolute", is a religious artifact projecting hope and wishes onto the Great Mystery, revealing people's unwillingness to admit they don't know.. there is great liberation when the experiencer returns to genuine curiosity, open to what the happening reveals, rather than projecting hopes and dreams onto the happening..
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 24, 2014 15:09:06 GMT -5
"In the West the name for consciousness is the mind, in India the name for consciousness is Jnana, knowledge."
"All consciousness is one."
"There is no difference in the consciousness, it is all one, but we call it by different names."
"Consciousness comes at what is called birth, and goes at what is called death. It is always the same consciousness whether in the child or the adult. There is only one consciousness."
"You are not the consciousness but have to become one with the consciousness. As you stabilize in the consciousness, dispassion for the body and for the expressions through the body occurs spontaneously. It is a natural renunciation, not a deliberate one. Become one with that consciousness, then you transcend it."
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 25, 2014 19:01:25 GMT -5
"There is no duality. There is the body and the Self. Between them is the mind, in which the Self is reflected as ‘I Am’. Because of the imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that you are ever more than what you have imagined. As there is no beginning, there is no end"
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2014 19:38:48 GMT -5
"There is no duality. There is the body and the Self. Between them is the mind, in which the Self is reflected as ‘I Am’. Because of the imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that you are ever more than what you have imagined. As there is no beginning, there is no end" What does "purify" mean here to you? Are you interested in what it means to me?
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 25, 2014 20:00:33 GMT -5
"There is no duality. There is the body and the Self. Between them is the mind, in which the Self is reflected as ‘I Am’. Because of the imperfections of the mind, its crudity and restlessness, lack of discernment and insight, it takes itself to be the body, not the Self. All that is needed is to purify the mind so that it can realize its identity with the Self. When the mind merges in the Self, the body presents no problems. It remains what it is, an instrument of cognition and action, the tool and the expression of the creative fire within. The ultimate value of the body is that it serves to discover the cosmic body, which is the universe in its entirety. As you realize yourself in manifestation, you keep on discovering that you are ever more than what you have imagined. As there is no beginning, there is no end" What does "purify" mean here to you? Are you interested in what it means to me? I see purify here meaning the mind returning to the state of wordless "I am" it had as a child. And yes, I would like to know what it means to you.
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2014 20:47:58 GMT -5
What does "purify" mean here to you? Are you interested in what it means to me? I see purify here meaning the mind returning to the state of wordless "I am" it had as a child. And yes, I would like to know what it means to you. Similar to yours. Every shift of attention to the sense of being and away from anything self-referential or trains of thought that are based on abstract images of the actual instead of the actual is what I take Niz to mean by "purification". There is a difference between that and the mind state I had as a child though. There's no returning to a memory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 20:56:08 GMT -5
I see purify here meaning the mind returning to the state of wordless "I am" it had as a child. And yes, I would like to know what it means to you. Similar to yours. Every shift of attention to the sense of being and away from anything self-referential or trains of thought that are based on abstract images of the actual instead of the actual is what I take Niz to mean by "purification". There is a difference between that and the mind state I had as a child though. There's no returning to a memory. 'purify' is simply discarding incorrect-concepts and beliefs from the mind.
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 25, 2014 21:04:02 GMT -5
I see purify here meaning the mind returning to the state of wordless "I am" it had as a child. And yes, I would like to know what it means to you. Similar to yours. Every shift of attention to the sense of being and away from anything self-referential or trains of thought that are based on abstract images of the actual instead of the actual is what I take Niz to mean by "purification". There is a difference between that and the mind state I had as a child though. There's no returning to a memory. I agree. It's not a matter of memory. The "I am" of the child may be forgotten about for some time but it is never not the case. Purification involves that recognition.
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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2014 21:08:38 GMT -5
Similar to yours. Every shift of attention to the sense of being and away from anything self-referential or trains of thought that are based on abstract images of the actual instead of the actual is what I take Niz to mean by "purification". There is a difference between that and the mind state I had as a child though. There's no returning to a memory. 'purify' is simply discarding incorrect-concepts and beliefs from the mind. Yes essentially that's what meditation amounts to although rather than discarding I'd say instead that its about seeing them for what they are and also noticing our orientation toward them. Also, to say that the concepts are incorrect might imply that there are some correct set of concepts but what we're referring to that's worthy of attention aren't ideas that are inherently bad or evil, it's just that they result in an obscuration. "Purify" is an interesting sort of hook because it's not at all the same idea as, say, cleaning toxic or septic substances from water to make it potable. Not only is it not as if any of the ideas that we'd attached to the sense of being are inherently impure, but in the witnessing, the notion that we could ever be (or have been) anything but the purity that Niz refers to is seen for the falsity that it is.
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