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Post by japhy on Apr 27, 2014 7:32:50 GMT -5
Okay I am not sure if the title fits the post well, but I have no better one.
I know some man and upon the first time meeting him, I experienced some special state. It is hard to describe but it seems, like everything seems to stand back, the vision might blurr for an instance then refocuse. Everything looks different. Knowledge is lost. I have no name, there is no space, no time. There is only here and now, the room, his voice, the other people.
The first time I met him, I left the place in panic (after some hours, but it usually takes some good time for the state to occur), fearing madness to come upon me. The next one to two weeks were very special (although not really pleaseant).
Since then there were more meetings with the same thing happeing almost always except that my fear has reduced.
The meetings are actually not really about spiritually and we are a group.
I know he has had some zen training but I am pretty sure he is not free.
I just wonder where this comes from.
I have read about direct transmission. It is if I understood correctly the ability of a teacher to invoke certain states or none-states in a student directly, to give them a glimpse or maybe more? But it is said to be very rare.
I also don't know wich state I enter.
Thanks for reading,
japhy
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Post by silver on Apr 27, 2014 9:52:04 GMT -5
Hi japhy,
Amazing experience...can you tell me what this means?<>>>
Sorry, I'm a little unclear on that statement.
Did this happen recently or a while back?
Thanks for the sharing.
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Post by japhy on Apr 27, 2014 10:10:08 GMT -5
Hi japhy, Amazing experience...can you tell me what this means?<>>> Sorry, I'm a little unclear on that statement. Did this happen recently or a while back? Thanks for the sharing. I am not totally sure what you are asking, but I will try to answer. Okay concerning the man I wanted to say, that he is a seeker with some background in zen. The intial experience happened one year ago. Since then I have met him like 20 times and often found myself in the state described above. Only the fear has decreased. Yes amazing and scary. Live is a suprise. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Apr 29, 2014 12:00:14 GMT -5
Okay I am not sure if the title fits the post well, but I have no better one. I know some man and upon the first time meeting him, I experienced some special state. It is hard to describe but it seems, like everything seems to stand back, the vision might blurr for an instance then refocuse. Everything looks different. Knowledge is lost. I have no name, there is no space, no time. There is only here and now, the room, his voice, the other people. The first time I met him, I left the place in panic (after some hours, but it usually takes some good time for the state to occur), fearing madness to come upon me. The next one to two weeks were very special (although not really pleaseant). Since then there were more meetings with the same thing happeing almost always except that my fear has reduced. The meetings are actually not really about spiritually and we are a group. I know he has had some zen training but I am pretty sure he is not free.I just wonder where this comes from. I have read about direct transmission. It is if I understood correctly the ability of a teacher to invoke certain states or none-states in a student directly, to give them a glimpse or maybe more? But it is said to be very rare. I also don't know wich state I enter. Thanks for reading, japhy Hey japhy, why do you say you're pretty sure he's not free? A person that is free can play a part, IOW, act. So if you are going by his actions, words and deeds, he could just be putting up a social front, maybe even a negative picture of himself. If he is a remarkable man in some way, maybe from his zen training, he could have a higher energy field than the average person....and this is what you are experiencing. Out of his presence it goes away. OTOH, "nasty" people can also collect energy, maybe or probably not deliberate, this may be where the idea of vampires came from, not the taking of blood but the taking of another's energy. This could be why you are experiencing fear. My first thought was for you to approach this man in private, that is, not around the other people of your group, ask him a spiritually probing question, a real question, see how he answers.......  Or.......run from him and never see him again.........  ? ......Crossing over to the Hangover thread, by chance more times than not, do you have a hangover the day after being with this man? sdp |
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Post by japhy on Apr 29, 2014 13:46:06 GMT -5
Hey japhy, why do you say you're pretty sure he's not free? A person that is free can play a part, IOW, act. So if you are going by his actions, words and deeds, he could just be putting up a social front, maybe even a negative picture of himself. In the end I don't know. If he is he must have alot of fun with us. But he made some remarks pointing to not beeing free (or I misinterpreted him). Yes he is definitly remarkable :-D. Okay sometimes the light around him seems to be a little bit golden and at times his face changed from one moment to antoher. The one moment I thought, oh he is a lovley old man, then the next one he looked like the devil himself. Might be my lively fantasy. I don't think he is nasty. I like him and I don't have the feeling he is radiating negativity or such. Arisha, hmm I remember her. Maybe I will have a look. Okay I have tried, his answers were a little bit reluctant. Something is holding me back to confront him with this topic directly. Yeah you got me. Interestingly for him it's the same thing (at least he said so). The meetings are always a little bit intense. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 14:32:58 GMT -5
Okay I am not sure if the title fits the post well, but I have no better one. I know some man and upon the first time meeting him, I experienced some special state. It is hard to describe but it seems, like everything seems to stand back, the vision might blurr for an instance then refocuse. Everything looks different. Knowledge is lost. I have no name, there is no space, no time. There is only here and now, the room, his voice, the other people. The first time I met him, I left the place in panic (after some hours, but it usually takes some good time for the state to occur), fearing madness to come upon me. The next one to two weeks were very special (although not really pleaseant). Since then there were more meetings with the same thing happeing almost always except that my fear has reduced. The meetings are actually not really about spiritually and we are a group. I know he has had some zen training but I am pretty sure he is not free. I just wonder where this comes from. I have read about direct transmission. It is if I understood correctly the ability of a teacher to invoke certain states or none-states in a student directly, to give them a glimpse or maybe more? But it is said to be very rare. I also don't know wich state I enter. Thanks for reading, japhy Some people have the ability to collapse a persons belief in separation. What we call beauty for instance is the collapse of the separate self. Some women have this affect on us and we label them to be beautiful. Some men can evoke the same response. I'm not sure if that collapse of self is happening in your situation as it seems not to be a beautiful experience for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 0:24:36 GMT -5
Hi japhy, Amazing experience...can you tell me what this means?<>>> Sorry, I'm a little unclear on that statement. Did this happen recently or a while back? Thanks for the sharing. good example of your openess and the reality of transferance in action . Which way did you test him to come to the realization, "I am pretty sure he is not free!" |
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Post by Transcix on May 1, 2014 16:35:30 GMT -5
Japhy, you have had some experiences.. they were intense.. they are learning opportunities.. but why does it matter who this man is or isn't?.. people attempt to discern circumstances and discern their feelings and experiences towards these circumstances and if they interpret their feelings and experiences as positive then they pursue the circumstance for pieces of knowledge.. so you are wondering about this man.. but this is misguided.. what's important is to focus on how your feelings and experiences change as your circumstances change.. what is the causal continuity to it all?.. what powers do others have over yourself, what powers do you have over yourself?.. where did you come from and where are you going?.. being in the Now isn't about arbitrarily carving out distinct circumstances and evaluating them and your experience of them separately each in isolation.. that's the opposite of being in the Now.. for to be in the Now there must be a person who is in it just as there can be no painting without a painter.. what causes you to perceive circumstances and experiences in such a way that you correlate in your mind different experiences and circumstances with different values, beliefs or moral imperatives or your own desires and intentions?.. who are you and who do you want to be?.. if you think it's about this man who you've met consider this, people often talk about spirit guides or other forms of astral communication.. consider if you meet a person on the street and he has a poster or he's promoting something, some point of view, do you believe him?.. the fact that you meet him in the street is of no relevance, it doesn't mean he is or isn't telling the truth, rather you must engage the facts he's presenting you with.. similarly if you have an astral communication or otherwise 'paranormal' or otherworldly experiences, just because you perceive them does not mean they are true or they are not true, rather you must engage the facts of them.. maybe what you experienced was a test.. maybe the universe is playing a trick on you.. maybe obstacles and learning opportunities are the same.. but if you experience a state and cannot fully understand how your being relates to that state in relation to your normal status-quo state, there is NO REASON to assume that new state is in any way superior.. but maybe it will reveal that there is no such thing as the status quo state!..
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Post by japhy on May 1, 2014 18:52:37 GMT -5
Japhy, you have had some experiences.. they were intense.. they are learning opportunities.. but why does it matter who this man is or isn't?.. people attempt to discern circumstances and discern their feelings and experiences towards these circumstances and if they interpret their feelings and experiences as positive then they pursue the circumstance for pieces of knowledge.. so you are wondering about this man.. but this is misguided.. what's important is to focus on how your feelings and experiences change as your circumstances change.. what is the causal continuity to it all?.. what powers do others have over yourself, what powers do you have over yourself?.. where did you come from and where are you going?.. being in the Now isn't about arbitrarily carving out distinct circumstances and evaluating them and your experience of them separately each in isolation.. that's the opposite of being in the Now.. for to be in the Now there must be a person who is in it just as there can be no painting without a painter.. what causes you to perceive circumstances and experiences in such a way that you correlate in your mind different experiences and circumstances with different values, beliefs or moral imperatives or your own desires and intentions?.. who are you and who do you want to be?.. if you think it's about this man who you've met consider this, people often talk about spirit guides or other forms of astral communication.. consider if you meet a person on the street and he has a poster or he's promoting something, some point of view, do you believe him?.. the fact that you meet him in the street is of no relevance, it doesn't mean he is or isn't telling the truth, rather you must engage the facts he's presenting you with.. similarly if you have an astral communication or otherwise 'paranormal' or otherworldly experiences, just because you perceive them does not mean they are true or they are not true, rather you must engage the facts of them.. maybe what you experienced was a test.. maybe the universe is playing a trick on you.. maybe obstacles and learning opportunities are the same.. but if you experience a state and cannot fully understand how your being relates to that state in relation to your normal status-quo state, there is NO REASON to assume that new state is in any way superior.. but maybe it will reveal that there is no such thing as the status quo state!.. Hey thank you, I realised it doesn't matter to me if he is free or not. I don't know what this state is, don't know much at all. It will come again or wont. Pain is blessing and sadness is grace. Thankfullness remains still. Japhy |
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Post by japhy on May 1, 2014 19:13:48 GMT -5
The Some people have the ability to collapse a persons belief in separation. What we call beauty for instance is the collapse of the separate self. Some women have this affect on us and we label them to be beautiful. Some men can evoke the same response. I'm not sure if that collapse of self is happening in your situation as it seems not to be a beautiful experience for you. I remember a girl. We had met on some sort of camp. I liked her and she liked me. Nothing much happened, we were young and shy. When time came to depart she looked in my eyes and me in hers. For eternity pain and joy. Also powerful - but different. The experience talked about here was scaring yes but I always returned to see him again. Beautiful no,but fear can hide beauty |
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